[ronki23]

Just wondered, people always say "Oh this religion is copying that or took away from another one", could it be all religions came from one source religion?

Judaism: Christianity (Old Testament) and Islam (Jesus)-all believe in Abraham,Moses,etc.

Jainism: Hinduism: Sikhism (Sikhs have same festivals e.g. Diwali) and Zoroastrianism (Indra), Buddhism: Chinese religions with the various Buddhas and even Gods and Goddesses (perhaps the Chinese rulers changed it a bit to actually include Gods): Taoism

Hindus and Christianity have Jesus in them; some say post-teen Jesus went to Kashmir and learned from the Brahmins. He is also called Isa in it; funny how other religions' mythical figures have no names adapted for other languages

Allah (even though he hasn't had has name adapted in Hinduism) seems very similar to Shiva: both are angry (Shiva is pleased easily but gets very angry-heck, he cut off his own son's head) but 'vindictive' too (Al Qaeda anyone? Even Mohammed did questionable things) and both have a moon as a symbol. I'd even go as far as saying Kaaba was a Shiv Ling-yes it hasn't been confirmed BUT Mohammed told the pagans to convert and he destroyed 360 idols (what other religions do you think have that?)



I've also wondered why most of the visits from the incarnations of God come from where the religion originated.

Perhaps there was one religion and, like a game of Chinese whispers, it changed by whoever saw fit?

How many religions have this?:

Are there any more than i've stated?

An uber God e.g. Brahman,Zeus,Odin,Yahweh,Allah
A human-esque son e.g. Horus,Heracles,Hercules,Krishna
A return/end of days e.g. Ragnorak,Kali Yug,return of the Messiah,return of Krishna
An evil e.g. Loki,Angra Mainyu,Satan

It's really not impossible to worship all religions then! I originally believed in Christ as a Hindu but in actuality i'm agnostic.

I'm actually in the middle of reading a book called 'The Story of God' and it's quite interesting.


Oh yeah, have you noticed two cool things?:

In Lord of the Rings: Frodo and Aragorn are like Jesus (the bearer of Burdens and the second coming), the Fellowship are the disciples, Gandalf based on Odin and Mentor (in Homer),Boromir as Judas, Sauron the Devil and Saruman falling from grace for power, Gollum consumed by lust.

In Star Wars: Anakin falls from grace like Eve does as she was tempted by the Devil (Sidious), Padmé is from Naboo (Mother Earth) and her children are like Apollo and Artemis, Luke's Mentor (in Homer) Obi Wan shares similarities to Gandalf (who shares similarities to Odin),Qui Gon based off Chi Gong, Anakin and Obi Wan's duel on Mustafar=what's happening to Anakin inside, Vader chopping of Luke's hand and vice versa=the mark of Kain.

China's Sun Wukong is based off of Hanuman and who do they provide an idea for? SON Goku!

[WhiteSlice14]

(Original post by ronki23)
Just wondered, people always say "Oh this religion is copying that or took away from another one", could it be all religions came from one source religion?

Judaism: Christianity (Old Testament) and Islam (Jesus)-all believe in Abraham,Moses,etc.

Allah (even though he hasn't had has name adapted in Hinduism) seems very similar to Shiva: both are angry

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic and monothiestic religions and believe in the same God.

Allah is the same God that the Jews and Christians believe in just by a different name. And He is merciful, just, kind, compassionate, generous etc.

[mohaski]

Islam has that concept that all religions were one but people changed the religion over time. The religion was to be the slaves of God and he would send prophet with miracles to remind us every time we forgot. But people always began to worship the prophet and the pious people which is why a lot of the 'subgods' had some fo of existence on earth but God was always above his throne.
And Allah is not a completely angry God. He is merciful but there is only one thing that can not be forgiven and he has made that clear in his final revelation. That no one is allowed to take the rights of God and give them to other than him. And the fact that he is telling us the punishment is a mercy in the sense that he is warning us about an envitable reality that might happen if we don't do what he tells us. Which is a pretty fair deal if you reflect on it. But I would say read the Quran and listen to this guy called nouman ali khan. You will not be dissapointed

[ronki23]

(Original post by mohaski)
Islam has that concept that all religions were one but people changed the religion over time. The religion was to be the slaves of God and he would send prophet with miracles to remind us every time we forgot. But people always began to worship the prophet and the pious people which is why a lot of the 'subgods' had some fo of existence on earth but God was always above his throne.
And Allah is not a completely angry God. He is merciful but there is only one thing that can not be forgiven and he has made that clear in his final revelation. That no one is allowed to take the rights of God and give them to other than him. And the fact that he is telling us the punishment is a mercy in the sense that he is warning us about an envitable reality that might happen if we don't do what he tells us. Which is a pretty fair deal if you reflect on it. But I would say read the Quran and listen to this guy called nouman ali khan. You will not be dissapointed

No offence but talking like that give me a bit of a bias toward Muslims-always trying to say how superior their religion is. Not to mention the whole "we'll kill you if you draw Allah or our Prophet" even in US ally states.

Plus I assume the Arabic must have several meanings and the translations only selecting some of them as no sane person would follow what Muhammed did 100%- illiterate people being taught to strap bombs onto themselves or their kids for 72 virgins in Jannah and how Jews (Israel-Palestine),Hindus (India-Pakistan),Zoroastrians (Iran) and Christians (Nigeria,Sudan and Egypt) should be fought and killed (if need be) for taking 'Muslim' land

[Darth Stewie]

kind of, religions are mythology, mythology is usually passed through time by certain groups coming into contact with others (for instance Greek mythology heavily influenced Roman mythology) and as a result certain traits of the old beliefs live on.

for instance in the Epic of Atrahasis which is mythology from the Sumerian religion which is arguably the oldest documented religion, Enlil (A Sumerian god who was one of the big cheeses) flood the earth because the humans were numerous and chatter too much. That has been speculated to be where the Abrahamic religions got their Noahs ark story from, obviously the finer details are different but the overall theme (big god gets mad, kills everyone by via a global flood) is similar.

So i think the reason a lot of religions historically and today share common themes is more to do with them all being influenced by each other rather than all coming from one alpha religion.

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by ronki23)
Allah (even though he hasn't had has name adapted in Hinduism) seems very similar to Shiva: both are angry (Shiva is pleased easily but gets very angry-heck, he cut off his own son's head) but 'vindictive' too

How do you compare a hindu god who has a son and cuts his head off, to the God of all of creation, one without partners?

This is the God in Islam, you'll find He's very different to "Shiva" -

(Original post by ronki23)
(Al Qaeda anyone? Even Mohammed did questionable things)

No he(pbuh) didn't.

(Original post by ronki23)
and both have a moon as a symbol. I'd even go as far as saying Kaaba was a Shiv Ling-yes it hasn't been confirmed BUT Mohammed told the pagans to convert and he destroyed 360 idols (what other religions do you think have that?)

Pure ignorance.

The "moon" thing isn't anything to do with Islam, it's to do with the Ottomen empire.

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty.

[ronki23]

[QUOTE=Perseveranze;37064761]How do you compare a hindu god who has a son and cuts his head off, to the God of all of creation, one without partners?

This is the God in Islam, you'll find He's very different to "Shiva" -

No he(pbuh) didn't.

Marrying a young girl and having sex with her? Be it marriage at 13 and consumation at 9 or marriage at 13 and consumation at 16, there was still a huge age gap. Plus you get many Muslim men marrying young girls.
What about laying in a grave with his dead Aunt?
Saying you may hit your wife as long as you don't leave a mark?

Pure ignorance.

Shiva is pleased easy but is a destroyer of evil and injustice. All of today's suicide bombers and extremists want to please Allah by destroying the 'evil' West and its support for the Jews. Hindus are nowhere near as bad as that-even under British colonisation they never went and specifically attacked civilians like Al Qaeda did.

The "moon" thing isn't anything to do with Islam, it's to do with the Ottomen empire.

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty.

^that is stupid. Most of the Arabs hated the Ottomans-why would they keep that symbol. Plus as I said, Kabah was where a temple with idols used to be. What religion would be in Asia and with so many idols and Gods?

[ronki23]

Looking at your complete lack of willingness to link Islam to any non-Abrahamic religions, and your profile comments stating your anti-West and pro-Islam comments, I assume you are one of the people who think it's ok for conversion to other religions from Islam to be punishable by death, or how gays deserve death and how people who draw Allah or your Prophet should be attacked.

[Perseveranze]

Short on time, so most of my post is reference reading.

(Original post by ronki23)
Marrying a young girl and having sex with her? Be it marriage at 13 and consumation at 9 or marriage at 13 and consumation at 16, there was still a huge age gap.

So your problem is with an age gap lol? How do those liberals say it; "your backwards"

There's so many marraiges today which have age gaps. But one thing that doesn't happen today is in regards to the Prophet(pbuh)s marraige to Khadija(ra) who was 40 when he himself was 25. How many 25 year old men do you see today marrying 40 year old women?

(Original post by ronki23)
Plus you get many Muslim men marrying young girls.

Western logic:

A child having promiscuous sex with others irresponsibly with no accountability: Human right

A child getting contraceptives without parental consent: Human right

A child getting an abortion without parental consent: Human right (Varies.)

A child getting treated for sexually-transmitted diseases without parents' knowledge: Human right


A child entering into a legal, announced union with parents' knowledge, support, and approval; as well as a dowry, a wedding, a contract and legal status as a spouse ensuring rights; and no sex until puberty (i.e., adulthood): Disgusting, abominable, tasteless, inhumane abuse.





There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard.

(Original post by ronki23)
What about laying in a grave with his dead Aunt?

Refuted here; http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.c...having-sx.html

Summary: Fabricated hadith

(Original post by ronki23)
Saying you may hit your wife as long as you don't leave a mark?

According to you right?

How do you personally interpret this meaning when the Prophet(pbuh) said;

"Do not beat the female servants of Allah";

"Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you."

So is this a contradiction, or are you typically ignoring context? And how comes the Prophet never hit any of wives?



And personally speaking (not sure if this flies with the "defined" western meaning), but tapping the shoulder with a toothbrush doesn't sound like "hitting" to me.

(Original post by ronki23)
Shiva is pleased easy but is a destroyer of evil and injustice. All of today's suicide bombers and extremists want to please Allah by destroying the 'evil' West and its support for the Jews. Hindus are nowhere near as bad as that-even under British colonisation they never went and specifically attacked civilians like Al Qaeda did.

Shows how clueless you are.

“The data show that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions. . . . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland”

- Professor Robert Pape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_t...cide_Terrorism

(Original post by ronki23)
^that is stupid. Most of the Arabs hated the Ottomans-why would they keep that symbol. Plus as I said, Kabah was where a temple with idols used to be. What religion would be in Asia and with so many idols and Gods?

Firstly, stupidity doesn't negate fact. The ottomens started the moon symbol, and considering they had control of pretty much most of the Muslim world at a time, it's no suprise their influence remained.

And sorry, but "hinduism didn't start idol worshipping", idol worshipping was happening all around the world before Islam came to liberate.

(Original post by ronki23)
Looking at your complete lack of willingness to link Islam to any non-Abrahamic religions, and your profile comments stating your anti-West and pro-Islam comments, I assume you are one of the people who think it's ok for conversion to other religions from Islam to be punishable by death, or how gays deserve death and how people who draw Allah or your Prophet should be attacked.

How judgemental of you, the gay community would not appreciate.

[heyhey922]

(Original post by WhiteSlice14)
And He is merciful, just, kind, compassionate, generous etc.

Except the time he killed the innocent firstborns of egypt?

[PandyAndy]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Short on time, so most of my post is reference reading.



So your problem is with an age gap lol? How do those liberals say it; "your backwards"

There's so many marraiges today which have age gaps. But one thing that doesn't happen today is in regards to the Prophet(pbuh)s marraige to Khadija(ra) who was 40 when he himself was 25. How many 25 year old men do you see today marrying 40 year old women?



Western logic:

A child having promiscuous sex with others irresponsibly with no accountability: Human right

A child getting contraceptives without parental consent: Human right

A child getting an abortion without parental consent: Human right (Varies.)

A child getting treated for sexually-transmitted diseases without parents' knowledge: Human right


A child entering into a legal, announced union with parents' knowledge, support, and approval; as well as a dowry, a wedding, a contract and legal status as a spouse ensuring rights; and no sex until puberty (i.e., adulthood): Disgusting, abominable, tasteless, inhumane abuse.





There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard.





Refuted here; http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.c...having-sx.html

Summary: Fabricated hadith




According to you right?

How do you personally interpret this meaning when the Prophet(pbuh) said;

"Do not beat the female servants of Allah";

"Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you."

So is this a contradiction, or are you typically ignoring context? And how comes the Prophet never hit any of wives?



And personally speaking (not sure if this flies with the "defined" western meaning), but tapping the shoulder with a toothbrush doesn't sound like "hitting" to me.



Shows how clueless you are.

“The data show that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions. . . . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland”

- Professor Robert Pape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_t...cide_Terrorism

Firstly, stupidity doesn't negate fact. The ottomens started the moon symbol, and considering they had control of pretty much most of the Muslim world at a time, it's no suprise their influence remained.

And sorry, but "hinduism didn't start idol worshipping", idol worshipping was happening all around the world before Islam came to liberate.



How judgemental of you, the gay community would not appreciate.

Puberty does not equal adulthood. Just because someone has started/undergone puberty does not make them ready for an adult relationship.

[examination]

Hinduism is the worlds oldest religion so surely its not based on any other religions. Any similarity between Hinduism and other religions exist simply because it has between copied from Hinduism. So id say that all religions branched out from Hinduism

[PandyAndy]

(Original post by examination)
Hinduism is the worlds oldest religion so surely its not based on any other religions. Any similarity between Hinduism and other religions exist simply because it has between copied from Hinduism. So id say that all religions branched out from Hinduism

It might be the world's oldest existing religion, doesn't make it the world's oldest religion. Not sourcing this, I could be wrong.

[I Persia I]

I didn't read the whole OP and this is irrelevant but the crescent moon was used by the Ottomans from a pagan Near Eastern culture. This was later adopted by many Arab/Muslim countries due to the Empire's influence.

[Politricks]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
How do you compare a hindu god who has a son and cuts his head off, to the God of all of creation, one without partners?

I think it's pretty easy to compare a god who cuts his own son's head off to a god who's prepared to condemn people who can't control what they believe to be tortured mercilessly in hell for an eternity; both sound like jerks.

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by Politricks)
I think it's pretty easy to compare a god who cuts his own son's head off to a god who's prepared to condemn people who can't control what they believe to be tortured mercilessly in hell for an eternity; both sound like jerks.

Oh, do you have a mental case or something, in which one's thoughts can't be controlled?

And sorry but, what may sound like "jerk" to you, is purely based on emotional subjectivity. Many people believe those who give life imprisonment are also "jerks", wonder who's the real jerk here.

There are also different levels of hell, it's not all as it's described to be

[Politricks]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Oh, do you have a mental case or something, in which one's thoughts can't be controlled?

And sorry but, what may sound like "jerk" to you, is purely based on emotional subjectivity. Many people believe those who give life imprisonment are also "jerks", wonder who's the real jerk here.

There are also different levels of hell, it's not all as it's described to be

Nobody can control what they believe in, if I told you to believe that Adolph Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Ariel Sharon weren't evil people, would you accept that? No, you probably wouldn't, you could try to believe that they weren't, you could even say it out loud 100 times, but deep inside your subconscious brain, you wouldn't believe that even if you tried to, because you can't control that, just like non-Muslims don't believe in Islam.

People who are found guilty and serve life sentences in prison do so because they've consciously done something to deserve it, but how are people who simply just subconsciously don't believe in Islam deserving of eternal torture? People who serve life sentences in the UK get a bed, food paid for by the tax payer and probably have cable TV, is your god so offended by the fact that there are people in this world who don't believe he exists that he feels the need to send them into eternal damnation?

[ronki23]

So your problem is with an age gap lol? How do those liberals say it; "your backwards"

There's so many marraiges today which have age gaps. But one thing that doesn't happen today is in regards to the Prophet(pbuh)s marraige to Khadija(ra) who was 40 when he himself was 25. How many 25 year old men do you see today marrying 40 year old women?

You still haven't answered the question-was she 6 when they got married and 9 when he had sex with her? If that statement is true he is a paedophile. If she was actually 19 that makes it more acceptable since she actually would have matured physically and mentally. Even 13 is unacceptable.

“The data show that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions. . . . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland”

- Professor Robert Pape http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_t...cide_Terrorism

[/INDENT]

There's not only suicide bombings-the entire Al Qaeda ideology,

"Qutb preached that because of the lack of sharia law, the Muslim world was no longer Muslim, having reverted to pre-Islamic ignorance known as jahiliyyah.

To restore Islam, he said a vanguard movement of righteous Muslims was needed to establish "true Islamic states", implement sharia, and rid the Muslim world of any non-Muslim influences, such as concepts like socialism and nationalism. Enemies of Islam in Qutb's view included "treacherous Orientalists"and "world Jewry", who plotted "conspiracies" and "wicked[ly]" opposed Islam...One of the most powerful of Qutb's ideas was that many who said they were Muslims were not. Rather, they were apostates. That not only gave jihadists "a legal loophole around the prohibition of killing another Muslim," but made "it a religious obligation to execute" these self-professed Muslims. These alleged apostates included leaders of Muslim countries, since they failed to enforce sharia law."

How judgemental of you, the gay community would not appreciate.

Again, you didn't answer the question; if your religion is so 'peaceful' and 'amazing' why do people get persecuted for drawing Allah or your Prophet? Why do LGBT and other religions get persecuted in Sharia countries?

Also, even if all of the above was not true, there are two things that I like preventing me from converting, pork and women not covered up (yes even a Hijab is unacceptable-in the West the only women who cover up are nuns and they do that as they choose to,not because they have to).

[ronki23]

(Original post by examination)
Hinduism is the worlds oldest religion so surely its not based on any other religions. Any similarity between Hinduism and other religions exist simply because it has between copied from Hinduism. So id say that all religions branched out from Hinduism

I'm a secular Hindu but Jainism has been proven to be older