How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?
Discuss issues that have a social and cultural impact, including but not limited to issues such as racism, teenage pregnancies, the social impact of religion, and the state of the education system.
| Announcements | Posted on | |
|---|---|---|
| TSR launches Learn Together! - Our new subscription to help improve your learning | 16-05-2013 | |
-
View Poll Results: how would you solve the issue of over crowding?
more recycling and using space better 13 19.70% mass cull 23 34.85% start colonising mars 16 24.24% other [please state] 14 21.21%
-
- Reputation:
- Vengeful, Imperial Overlord of The Student Room
- Location: Stoke/Oxford
- Posts: 4,800
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?It's not land of space we need to be concerned about, it's lack of resources. We need to stop consuming so much stuff that we don't need and is thrown away a couple of weeks/months after it's produced. It is disgusting that we live in a world were some people haven't even got enough to eat while we are encouraged to keep buying things so that our economy can grow. An economic system that requires continuous growth in a world where we're running out of resources doesn't work.
-
- Reputation:
- Overlord in Training
- Location: UK
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?Leave chronic illnesses such as HIV and cancer and accept them as a natural method to attempt to keep human populations somewhat under control.
Sounds harsh but Earth is pretty much at carrying capacity anyway. -
- Reputation:
- Full Member
- Posts: 84
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?Culling? o_O What the ****?
But yeah, I went for "other". If we all only had a maximum of 2 kids then the global population would start to stabilise pretty quickly. Your kids would replace you and your partner when you died, so there'd be no net increase in population.
Then, since you always get some people who don't want kids, some people who never get chance to have kids, and some who just can't have kids (no matter how much fertility treatment they get), the population would start to decrease very slowly. It might take a couple of centuries for there to be a notable decrease in population but a slow and steady decrease would be better than a huge drop.
That was the biggest mistake China made with their one-child policy. It dramatically cut the size of the next generation, leaving no-one to look after the older generations in their old age. Also, they were inexcusably brutal in enforcing it, with forced abortions and sterilisations, etc. Economic incentives would be much better. Cutting child benefit for any additional children might be too extreme, since it's hardly the children's fault that they were born. Why should they suffer poverty because of their parents' actions? It'd be better to give families with only two children a tax break or something instead. -
- Reputation:
- Vengeful, Imperial Overlord of The Student Room
- Posts: 4,686
- Warning points: 10
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?If you ask the wrong questions you'll never get to grips with how the economy works.(Original post by py0alb)
Question:
if someone decides they don't want a piece of land they own, what do you think happens to it?
If we were setting the country up from scratch today and some people grabbed hundreds of thousands of acres for themselves while others were given zilch would you say that economic justice has been served? Furthermore would you expect any dysfunctions to occur as a result of this maldistribution?
It's funny that you consider yourself a caring leftist but it takes a ghastly righ-winger like me to point out these glaring injustices
Last edited by chefdave; 10-04-2012 at 10:39. -
- Reputation:
- Overlord in Training
- Location: Wiltshire
- Posts: 2,409
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?Off the back of whom? You're running out of people/resources to exploit. People are already working 40 hours a week- are you going to whip them until they work more? Capitalism is running into a dead end.(Original post by Classical Liberal)
Capitalism.
The price mechanism and the powerful productive forces of enterprise will do what they always do. Drive man kind forward.Last edited by Aramiss18; 10-04-2012 at 11:38. -
- Reputation:
- Vengeful, Imperial Overlord of The Student Room
- Posts: 4,905
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?People work less hours of their life than they used to, plonker. We have more free time and more things to do with it than any other generation. Life just keeps getting better for the most part.(Original post by Aramiss18)
Off the back of whom? You're running out of people/resources to exploit. People are already working 40 hours a week- are you going to whip them until they work more? Capitalism is running into a dead end.
Infact the problem in the UK at the moment is there is not enough work.
I bet one minute you will say capitalism causes the unemployment we have today. And in the next breath you will say man kind is over worked. But heyyyy, Marxists are not in the business of making sense or being consistent. They are just hystrical teens who have never had a real job and think they know about the would because they can recite that the workers are exploited even though they do not understand the derivation for such a claim. -
- Reputation:
- Overlord in Training
- Location: Wiltshire
- Posts: 2,409
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?So I ask you, where's the sustainability in capitalism? You failed to answer where the necessary growth was going to come from- natural resources, paying workers less, borrowing more imaginary money?(Original post by Classical Liberal)
People work less hours of their life than they used to, plonker. We have more free time and more things to do with it than any other generation. Life just keeps getting better for the most part. If that's what you would want- where do you draw the line- 50, 60, 70 hours per week? And we'll see over the next 10 years exactly how much of the Western standard of living is debt bought delusion as opposed to capitalist ingenuity. Greece, Spain?
Infact the problem in the UK at the moment is there is not enough work. And who's fault is that? Unemployment is going up because the public sector made significant redundancies and the private sector is yet to pick up the slack. Not surprising as the public sector had to grow initially to stop unemployment getting too high- no thanks to private enterprise.
I bet one minute you will say capitalism causes the unemployment we have today. And in the next breath you will say man kind is over worked. But heyyyy, Marxists are not in the business of making sense or being consistent. I am not against the concept of work at all, simply those at the bottom being exploited which is exactly what has happened. Since Thatcher's time wages for those at the bottom have,in the UK, in real terms, decreased and thus the economy (and standard of living for the poorest) kept a float by consumer debt and inflated government spending. Capitalist greed working brilliantly here.
They are just hystrical teens who have never had a real job and think they know about the would because they can recite that the workers are exploited even though they do not understand the derivation for such a claim. Well this is just arrogant, presumptuous drivel.
You straight out called me a Marxist and I don't deny that I do sympathise but regardless of that I fail to see where capitalism has left to go.Last edited by Aramiss18; 10-04-2012 at 13:08. -
- Reputation:
- Peer Of The TSR Realm
- Location: Narcissistic Utopia
- Posts: 1,470
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?Another person in a position of power claims it as theirs?(Original post by py0alb)
Question:
if someone decides they don't want a piece of land they own, what do you think happens to it? -
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Location: the UK
- Posts: 17,783
- Warning points: 1000
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?Actually, it automatically reverts to the ownership of the Duchy of Cornwall or Lancaster. Crazy, huh.(Original post by Aust1n)
Another person in a position of power claims it as theirs?
Technically, the Crown and the Duchies in combination own all the land in the UK, and the rest of us just own the deeds to it.
They don't charge us for this right, but chefdave thinks they should - he recommends they should charge us an eye-wateringly extortionate amount of money for the priviledge of being their subjects and living on their land. and if we don't have the money? Eviction from our homes of course. -
- Reputation:
- Peer Of The TSR Realm
- Location: Narcissistic Utopia
- Posts: 1,470
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?Sounds close enough to what happens anyway.(Original post by py0alb)
Actually, it automatically reverts to the ownership of the Duchy of Cornwall or Lancaster. Crazy, huh.
Technically, the Crown and the Duchies in combination own all the land in the UK, and the rest of us just own the deeds to it.
They don't charge us for this right, but chefdave thinks they should - he recommends they should charge us an eye-wateringly extortionate amount of money for the priviledge of being their subjects and living on their land. and if we don't have the money? Eviction from our homes of course.
Too much attention is placed on bits of paper that actually does nothing. I don't understand why people need hundreds of millions of pounds yet they don't do anything with it.
Maybe they should try being homeless for a bit and let a bunch of homeless people live in their mansions. -
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Location: the UK
- Posts: 17,783
- Warning points: 1000
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?(Original post by Aust1n)
Sounds close enough to what happens anyway.
Too much attention is placed on bits of paper that actually does nothing. I don't understand why people need hundreds of millions of pounds yet they don't do anything with it.
Maybe they should try being homeless for a bit and let a bunch of homeless people live in their mansions.
Well according to the logic of the right, its simply because they're better people than us, otherwise they wouldn't be so rich, obviously. Not being enormously rich is simply a symptom of some underlying criminality or mental weakness. -
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Location: Wellington
- Warning points: 25
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?that option was meant tongue in cheek(Original post by Angry Spartan)
Also, saying "colonise Mars" is a bit silly. If the Earth is overpopulated with 7 Billion, surely Mars would only be able to hold 2 Billion'ish. -
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Location: Wellington
- Warning points: 25
Re: How do you think the problem of global over crowding can be solved?squatters rights come in to play(Original post by py0alb)
Question:
if someone decides they don't want a piece of land they own, what do you think happens to it?
