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  1. Fa5mo's Avatar
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    Company Law HELP..
    I have an essay to submit:confused:, I don't quite understand how to relate to it.

    "If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters."(Alan k. Simpson)
    "The business of a business is business." (Milton Friedman, 1970)
    "The business of business is responsible business."(Porter and Crammer, 2006)

    Do you agree with these statements?
    Discuss

    How exactly do I answer this question, What cases should I focus on and What topic do these quotes relate to. I just need to understand how to type out my essay, it would really be of great help.

    Thankyou in Advance.
  2. ktwolves's Avatar
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    In the course of his judgment Robert Goff LJ observed : Counsel suggested beguilingly that it would be technical for us to distinguish between parent company and subsidiary in this context; economically, he said, they were one. But we are concerned not with economics but with law. The distinction between the two is, in law, fundamental and cannot here be abridged. Bank of Tokyo Ltd v Karoon
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    Re: Company Law HELP..
    s172 Companies Act 2006 - the relevant part of the area of directors' duties - is very important for this question. You need to think about the extent to which s172 really requires directors to take into account the interests of the wider community over the financial interests of the shareholders.
    Last edited by jacketpotato; 10-04-2012 at 20:46.
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    Re: Company Law HELP..
    Thankyou all very much. I very much appreciate your help
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    (Original post by ktwolves)
    In the course of his judgment Robert Goff LJ observed : Counsel suggested beguilingly that it would be technical for us to distinguish between parent company and subsidiary in this context; economically, he said, they were one. But we are concerned not with economics but with law. The distinction between the two is, in law, fundamental and cannot here be abridged. Bank of Tokyo Ltd v Karoon
    So How exactly do I form my essay coz basically thats what I'm confused about. Do I talk about the quotes and how do I relate them to the case of B.O.T v Karoon..?
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    Re: Company Law HELP..
    Wrongful Trading - Section 214 Insolvency Act 1986

    Directors may be personally liable.
    Last edited by ktwolves; 15-04-2012 at 22:00.
  7. Fa5mo's Avatar
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    (Original post by ktwolves)
    Wrongful Trading - Section 214 Insolvency Act 1986

    Directors may be personally liable.
    Thankyou....Soo much
  8. ktwolves's Avatar
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    The Social Responsibility of Business is to Increase its Profits
    by Milton Friedman
    The New York Times Magazine, September 13, 1970. Copyright @ 1970 by The New York Times Company.

    When I hear businessmen speak eloquently about the "social responsibilities of business in a free-enterprise system," I am reminded of the wonderful line about the Frenchman who discovered at the age of 70 that he had been speaking prose all his life. The businessmen believe that they are defending free en*terprise when they declaim that business is not concerned "merely" with profit but also with promoting desirable "social" ends; that business has a "social conscience" and takes seriously its responsibilities for providing em*ployment, eliminating discrimination, avoid*ing pollution and whatever else may be the catchwords of the contemporary crop of re*formers. In fact they are–or would be if they or anyone else took them seriously–preach*ing pure and unadulterated socialism. Busi*nessmen who talk this way are unwitting pup*pets of the intellectual forces that have been undermining the basis of a free society these past decades.

    The discussions of the "social responsibili*ties of business" are notable for their analytical looseness and lack of rigor. What does it mean to say that "business" has responsibilities? Only people can have responsibilities. A corporation is an artificial person and in this sense may have artificial responsibilities, but "business" as a whole cannot be said to have responsibilities, even in this vague sense. ........................"there is one and only one social responsibility of business–to use it resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud."
    Last edited by ktwolves; 15-04-2012 at 23:28.
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    (Original post by ktwolves)
    In the course of his judgment Robert Goff LJ observed : Counsel suggested beguilingly that it would be technical for us to distinguish between parent company and subsidiary in this context; economically, he said, they were one. But we are concerned not with economics but with law. The distinction between the two is, in law, fundamental and cannot here be abridged. Bank of Tokyo Ltd v Karoon
    Not sure I see the relevance of this...not piercing the corporate veil perhaps? Not entirely sure what point you're making. Then again you rarely make points you just quote.

    (Original post by ktwolves)
    Wrongful Trading - Section 214 Insolvency Act 1986

    Directors may be personally liable.
    I don't see this has any relevance. The only way I can see it is if you think the word 'wrongful' means unjust or something. If we were to list all the statutes making directors liable for breaking the rules we might well break the forum. Still wouldn't have anything to do with the social impact of corporations.

    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    s172 Companies Act 2006 - the relevant part of the area of directors' duties - is very important for this question. You need to think about the extent to which s172 really requires directors to take into account the interests of the wider community over the financial interests of the shareholders.
    I agree with this, makes a lot of sense in the area of corporate social responsibility (boke). I'd also suggest the Bhopal disaster as something you might consider looking at.
  10. ktwolves's Avatar
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    To say that directors are to be legally liable for a breach in "Corporate Social Responsibility" is a lot of bulls. We know this as a matter of fact but you need to articulate it.

    If you take this line, you will need to ague that you cannot find directors gulity of conduct that will put the economic interests of "stake holders" in harm's way. In fact, they can get away simply by acting in the name of the Company and limit their liability as shareholders of the Company.
    Last edited by ktwolves; 16-04-2012 at 06:44.
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    I have an essay to submit, I don't quite understand how to relate to it.

    Business is Business?

    Is this statement an excuse to be socially irresposible or merely a reflection on how business is merely an ecomomic activity organised by and authorized by law, morality has nothing to do with it, no more no less?

    Morals has nothing to do with responsible business where law has not imposed a duty of care. That is why the corporate viel is lifted only on fraud or deception and not merely where justice demands it.
    Last edited by ktwolves; 17-04-2012 at 12:46.
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