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Imam marries gay Muslim couple in France, French government refuses to recognise it.

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    (Original post by Joluk)
    Its forbidden in christianity, yet people still marry. Its actually much more vague in the Qu'ran than in the bible.
    It's forbidden in the Old Testament. So forbidden in Judaism. Different churches take different parts of the bible more seriously, (eg: most christians would eat shellfish, but are probably against sex outside marriage.) There probably are some churches who marry gay couples (as long as the country's law allows (romans 13.1) ) but there are probably also churches that don't allow consumption of shellfish etc.

    (Jesus gave the meaning of the law: love God, Love your neighbour... Other than that, different churches vary their interpretations of what is allowed and what they allow)

    In the UK (Church of England (and also in Catholicism)(and English law)) homosexual marriage is forbidden (though there are still gay vicars, mostly celibate), but similarly to woman bishops, the whole concept is being debated and re-looked at in modern terms.



    But thats all off topic...
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    No room for interpretation on this matter. It would be like a Muslim declaring alcohol permissible. This bloke isn't a Muslim if he goes against something so clearly stated and understood. People are free to pick and mix based on their whims but to then call it Islam is nonsense. The imam isn't forced to be a Muslim nor are these gays so they should go follow their own religion and stop pretending to be Muslims.

    Core beliefs in Islam are shared by ALL Muslims. One of these beliefs is that you cannot deny any quranic verses. Homosexuality is very clearly forbidden in the Quran in the verses relating to Loot and the punishment of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. As such anybody who denies that denies a core belief/clear verse (not to mention the wealth of other sources that back this up) and is no longer a Muslim according to the Shari'a.
    actually if you look at the early history of islam you will find that a small minority of scholars declared some wines to be permissible...you will find a difference of opinion on almost every single aspect of islamic law and beliefs.
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/Pri...aspx?id=265480

    Why isn't gay marriage recognised in France, isn't it a secular country? Should they recognise marriages carried out abroad by French citizens in countries where it is legal?
    What type of retarded "imam" is this, there are no gay marriages or relationships allowed.
    Hate how these hypocrites have become Imams, leaders etc in our religion...
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    "... therefore islam has better values than the west." :sexface:
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    Shari'a law approved? Imam? Gay marriage? Lol

    This is a joke on so many levels. There is no such thing as gay marriage in Islam. Never has and never will.
    Why's that?

    The church was once against homosexuality. But various denominations allow it.

    Why can that not be the case for Islam aswell? Some denominations may allow it.
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    (Original post by Dragonfly07)
    "... therefore islam has better values than the west." :sexface:
    In this case,the french have actually acted as the "better" people.
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    (Original post by crazycake93)
    Why's that?

    The church was once against homosexuality. But various denominations allow it.

    Why can that not be the case for Islam aswell? Some denominations may allow it.
    Because we don't edit our faith to buy cheap converts or some some people happy.

    We are not a sell out like the church.
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    (Original post by IdeasForLife)
    Because we don't edit our faith to buy cheap converts or some some people happy.

    We are not a sell out like the church.
    Your faith is hardly a uniform faith at all. You have the Sunni's, Shia's, Sufism, Salafi.

    All believing different things.
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    (Original post by crazycake93)
    Your faith is hardly a uniform faith at all. You have the Sunni's, Shia's, Sufism, Salafi.

    All believing different things.
    Homosexuality all the same is forbidden, I'm sure all those sects mentioned above would agree on that at the least.
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    (Original post by crazycake93)
    Why's that?

    The church was once against homosexuality. But various denominations allow it.

    Why can that not be the case for Islam aswell? Some denominations may allow it.
    Because the verses regarding homosexuality are clear cut and unambiguous. There's a wealth of clear evidence. No such thing will happen in Islam.
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    (Original post by Ali1991)
    actually if you look at the early history of islam you will find that a small minority of scholars declared some wines to be permissible...you will find a difference of opinion on almost every single aspect of islamic law and beliefs.
    That's not true at all. Alcohol was permissible until it was outlawed. Today, only in instances of medicine is it permissible.
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    (Original post by Hearty_Beast)
    "According to an April 2 report on al-Bawaba, the men first married according to Shari’a law before a Mauritian imam named Jamal who blessed their matrimony."


    I thought that same-sex marriage was forbidden in Islam, how then could they marry "according to Shari'a law"?!
    Shari is a pretty strange chap, that's why
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    Because the verses regarding homosexuality are clear cut and unambiguous. There's a wealth of clear evidence. No such thing will happen in Islam.
    What is better, having a gay couple who is unmarried or a gay couple which is married?
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    Hey guys,
    Gay marriage is not allowed in France, but their union is recognized. It is actually named "PACS", but it is not equivalent to marriage and used by both homosexual and hetero.
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    What is better, having a gay couple who is unmarried or a gay couple which is married?
    I really don't know what you're getting at but homosexuality is forbidden in Islam altogether. There would be no couples, let alone gay marriage hence why this imam is so laughable.
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    (Original post by Perseveranze)
    Just to correct you, an Islamic state does not exist, yet.
    If we're going to be pedantic: A state where the most abundant religion is Islam and the political views and laws are based on Shariah.

    Is that good enough?
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    (Original post by PrismaticCore)
    If we're going to be pedantic: A state where the most abundant religion is Islam and the political views and laws are based on Shariah.

    Is that good enough?
    *With a Caliphate, as that's a fundemental requirement.

    Right now, call it Muslim country, Middle East country, Eastern country, doesn't really matter. But, it's not an Islamic state.

    and lol @ the guy who called Iran an Islamic state
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    Core beliefs in Islam are shared by ALL Muslims.

    Who's successor to Muhammed? I imagine Assad is going to hell then.
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    (Original post by Perseveranze)
    *With a Caliphate, as that's a fundemental requirement.

    Right now, call it Muslim country, Middle East country, Eastern country, doesn't really matter. But, it's not an Islamic state.

    and lol @ the guy who called Iran an Islamic state
    So is Iran following the "wrong" Islam? The rulers of Iran consider it to be an Islamic state, so if it's actually not, that must mean they are following the wrong Islam, which contradicts your assertion that there is only one Islam.
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    (Original post by Psyk)
    So is Iran following the "wrong" Islam? The rulers of Iran consider it to be an Islamic state, so if it's actually not, that must mean they are following the wrong Islam, which contradicts your assertion that there is only one Islam.
    erm... have you ever heard of sects in religions?
    e.g. in islam there are sunnis and shia?

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