B423 - Immigration Bill
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillAmen.(Original post by internetguru)
Yes we break the rules of the EU and prevent immigrants coming in anyway. What are they going to do kick us out at risk of losing billions? Of course they won't.
Measures like this bill often end up targeting precisely the wrong people in the eyes of many Brits - and I'm not just talking about occupational social class..
We feel we have too many illegals, asylum seekers, and too much EU immigration (inc benefit tourists) placing pressure on services, integration, cohesion and thus the social fabric of this creaking nation
Perversely this sort of measure tends to negatively effect the numbers coming from Commonwealth nations, former colonies and ex pats. I dunno about you guys but to me that is ****ed up
We need to take back control of our own borders and put it to the people who they want to enter their nation, and under what circumstances we wish to grant citizenship to our new brethren
We should give the public a say for once (that would shut the BNP up) and not allow Brussels, or anyone else, to bully us. For once the political elite should be bold, and do the right thing by the people!
There are 190-odd other places they can go to, many of them far closer to, and more culturally/linguistically compatible with, their homelands than the UK..(Original post by mevidek)
How inhumane of you.
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillWhat if they earn £11,000? They'll be paying £150 income tax for well over £15000 in government spending on them.(Original post by MacCuishy)
They do pay tax. People will only be allowed into the country if they have a job placement above the £10,000 personal allowance. The first £10,000 earned above the personal allowance shall be taxed at a rate of fifteen pence in the pound.
The next £80,000 earned above the fifteen per cent tax rate shall be taxed at a rate of twenty-five pence in the pound.
All income earned above the twenty-five per cent tax rate shall be taxed at thirty-five pence in the pound.
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillIt's not inhumanity: it's just realism.(Original post by mevidek)
How inhumane of you.
We've had this conversation before, though. Asylum seekers are entitled by international law to refuge in the first, 'safe' country they pass through upon fleeing their home. Most asylum seekers who come here have passed through 10-15 countries - maybe even more!
Asylum is supposed to be about finding a place of refuge. It's not about abusing your situation to get into your preferred country. -
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillIt is inhumane. Many of these people are rejected elsewhere and go here as a last resort. Are you from an immigrant family?(Original post by tufc)
It's not inhumanity: it's just realism.
We've had this conversation before, though. Asylum seekers are entitled by international law to refuge in the first, 'safe' country they pass through upon fleeing their home. Most asylum seekers who come here have passed through 10-15 countries - maybe even more!
Asylum is supposed to be about finding a place of refuge. It's not about abusing your situation to get into your preferred country. -
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillSee my previous post.(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Amen.
Measures like this bill often end up targeting precisely the wrong people in the eyes of many Brits - and I'm not just talking about occupational social class..
We feel we have too many illegals, asylum seekers, and too much EU immigration (inc benefit tourists) placing pressure on services, integration, cohesion and thus the social fabric of this creaking nation
Perversely this sort of measure tends to negatively effect the numbers coming from Commonwealth nations, former colonies and ex pats. I dunno about you guys but to me that is ****ed up
We need to take back control of our own borders and put it to the people who they want to enter their nation, and under what circumstances we wish to grant citizenship to our new brethren
We should give the public a say for once (that would shut the BNP up) and not allow Brussels, or anyone else, to bully us. For once the political elite should be bold, and do the right thing by the people!
There are 190-odd other places they can go to, many of them far closer to, and more culturally/linguistically compatible with, their homelands than the UK..
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillIf they've been rejected in 10-15 countries, doesn't that tell you that their claim probably isn't legitimate...(Original post by mevidek)
It is inhumane. Many of these people are rejected elsewhere and go here as a last resort. Are you from an immigrant family? -
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillEver heard the term 'nice guys finish last' the same is true of countries.(Original post by mevidek)
It is inhumane. Many of these people are rejected elsewhere and go here as a last resort. Are you from an immigrant family? -
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillFirstly, often no, many countries have stricter or generally different laws to do with immigration.(Original post by tufc)
If they've been rejected in 10-15 countries, doesn't that tell you that their claim probably isn't legitimate...
And you still haven't answered my question.
If you think so.(Original post by internetguru)
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillLast resort my ass! Many of them come direct, or indirect, to the UK, without even dreaming of settling for another European country even! Can't say I blame them but it's high time we stopped being soft(Original post by mevidek)
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillWell, I have very mixed European heritage on my mother's side, so one might claim that I am from an immigrant family - though definitely not asylum seekers.(Original post by mevidek)
Firstly, often no, many countries have stricter or generally different laws to do with immigration.
And you still haven't answered my question.
We are bound to the same asylum law as every other EU country, and most asylum seekers come through quite a lot of EU countries to get here... -
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillMy next bill will be concerning this subject.(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
I'll be voting no to this one.
Immigrants aren't actually a leach on society if they aren't on benefits. They can be in the country all they want just don't expect society's support. -
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Re: B423 - Immigration Billhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16484918(Original post by xXedixXx)
Considering the majority of immigration comes from within the EU this bill would achieve very little.
Oh, and
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-uk-statisticsLast edited by MacDaddi; 11-04-2012 at 08:56. -
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillI've just considered something (and it only just occured to me, thus my not bringing it up in the sub forum) which is that it'll damage industries - such as London's creative industries - wherein freelancing in a big part of it. Where I work, about 2/3rd of our employees are freelance or contract employees. Admittedly most are from the EU, but not all. This would damage my companies ability to hire, and frankly UK graduates just aren't good enough in a lot of cases.
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillHave a look at my second reading on the Liber sub-forum I have introduced a section about high-value immigrants.(Original post by CyclopsRock)
I've just considered something (and it only just occured to me, thus my not bringing it up in the sub forum) which is that it'll damage industries - such as London's creative industries - wherein freelancing in a big part of it. Where I work, about 2/3rd of our employees are freelance or contract employees. Admittedly most are from the EU, but not all. This would damage my companies ability to hire, and frankly UK graduates just aren't good enough in a lot of cases. -
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Re: B423 - Immigration Billhow? As long as they claimed asylum surely they'd be exempt? The asylum seeking system is not changed by this bill, is it?(Original post by mevidek)
Exactly, that's what I meant. This Bill would just make it harder for them to come here for asylum. -
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillNo.(Original post by Moleman1996)
how? As long as they claimed asylum surely they'd be exempt? The asylum seeking system is not changed by this bill, is it? -
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Re: B423 - Immigration BillMany people are refused asylum and still try to come into Britain because they've got nowhere to go. Many of these people have little to no money whatsoever, so it's harder for them to come in because of this bill.(Original post by Moleman1996)
how? As long as they claimed asylum surely they'd be exempt? The asylum seeking system is not changed by this bill, is it?
