[blu tack]

(Original post by angrydanmarin)
To be honest and i know it's a little harsh...but i can't be bothered with the papers.

https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/ukt...ation_form.asp

It's just one form and you're done, simple!

[Pony Jack]

(Original post by Delta_Aitch)
Ah, cheers

I think the first step is about raising awareness, tbh. There are a lot of people out there who are indifferent to donating organs, but when pressed to answer if they are for or against it, they choose 'for'. So I think getting those people who are as of yet undecided to be aware of the growing need for organ donation is a good starting place.

But there's still the group of people who say 'more people should donate their organs!' yet do nothing to contribute, and those that actually do.

(Original post by DH-Biker)
I've chosen to donate everything and I've put myself on the living kidney donation, too.

The hell I need anything I've got when I'm dead anyway is beyond me, what isn't taken is going to be burnt anyway, may as well make use of it.

I donate blood too, which is something that more people should be encouraged to do, though I can see why donating a kidney whilst alive is something more people aren't to sure about, though I felt it necessary after a friend of mine suffered kidney failure.

I think that's probably what it would take for most people to donate something while living - direct experience of lack of donors. Kudos for you for doing it though.

[james22]

I think that instead of an opt in/opt out system everybody should be made to chose either way somehow. For example people could be made to chose when they register to vote ect. This way we get more people opting in as they are forced to (most people just can't be bothered to sign up) and there is no assumed ownership. Problem solved.

[Pony Jack]

(Original post by angrydanmarin)
To be honest and i know it's a little harsh...but i can't be bothered with the papers.

Are you actually serious? You probably filled out a longer online form to sign up to Facebook. (Yes, it's online too)

[AeroLB]

You can't just put everybody on the list, and there should be more stringent checks. Even donating blood there are so many criteria to be filled and questions asked. It should definitely not be opt in because it would cause more problems than it solved - what if you for whatever reason never removed yourself from the list or changed your mind in a high pressure situation? There could end up being legal battles for organs that are 'government owned'.

[Pony Jack]

(Original post by james22)
I think that instead of an opt in/opt out system everybody should be made to chose either way somehow. For example people could be made to chose when they register to vote ect. This way we get more people opting in as they are forced to (most people just can't be bothered to sign up) and there is no assumed ownership. Problem solved.

I think that's quite a good idea, as people under 18 probably wouldn't feel comfortable making an 'informed' decision, but then people would probably complain that it had been simplified to a tick-box question. Having opt in gives people the opportunity to weigh it up in their own time, but it's not exactly high priority for most people.

[DH-Biker]

(Original post by Pony Jack)
I think that's probably what it would take for most people to donate something while living - direct experience of lack of donors. Kudos for you for doing it though.

Agreed.

Many people don't understand what help they can do until they see it for themselves. That's only with living donation, too. I visited my friend in hospital after the operation and he was sitting next to the man who'd donated his kidney. He just sat there crying, with the other man patting him on the shoulder and my friend's family all in tears to.

If I can make someone and his/her family that happy by donating something I've a spare of, that's more then enough reason to. When I'm on my death bed, I'll be happy in the knowledge that many people all over will be about to recieve the donations they need so that they can live a life too. I can't imagine not doing it, though again, I can see why some have reservations.

On the topic of an opt-out system, however, I agree with it. More people would stick with the donations and more would benefit and those with serious reservations can still deny the donations. IT makes perfect sense.

[cl_steele]

im signed up
yeh hell why not sign people up automatically its not as if theyll need them once theyre reuired by the transplant people anyway...

[Tw1x]

(Original post by DH-Biker)
I've chosen to donate everything and I've put myself on the living kidney donation, too.

How do you sign up to live kidney donation?

[KJane]

I'm a registered organ donor, I think it's stupid that we're forcing people to wait for organs when we could implement an opt out system. 3 people die waiting for organs everyday in the UK, I don't think it's right that we're condemning people to death because a few people have an issue with presumed consent, when in the new system, if they felt that way they could just opt out, everyone wins and lives get saved.

As long as it was widely advertised and people made aware, theres no reason why anyone would be caught out, if people oppose it, let them opt out. We really need to tackle the shortage rather than hoping that people might remember and sign up.

[DH-Biker]

(Original post by Tw1x)
How do you sign up to live kidney donation?

I signed up after I visited my friend in hospital, though as I was told, there is a section to agree to that on the donor form. Though I would say you can get yourself on a list at your local GP.

Mine was done in the reception of the ward I visited my friend in, I had to go through a twenty minute interview regarding my health, what I ate and drank, why I want to donate, religious beliefs, etc etc. Plus they enquire about other donations too.

But yeah, I imagine any local GP will have a sign on list.

[thegodofgod]

(Original post by angrydanmarin)
To be honest and i know it's a little harsh...but i can't be bothered with the papers.

Sign up now then

https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/ukt...on/consent.asp

OP: I personally am a registered organ donor - signed up when I filled out the form for my provisional driving licence when I turned 17 last year

With regards to the presumed consent for organ donation, I think it's a good thing, because only the people who really care about not donating their organs (for whatever reason(s)) will de-register. This means that there will definitely be more organs donors around and more lives saved as a result.

[Tw1x]

(Original post by DH-Biker)
I signed up after I visited my friend in hospital, though as I was told, there is a section to agree to that on the donor form. Though I would say you can get yourself on a list at your local GP.

Mine was done in the reception of the ward I visited my friend in, I had to go through a twenty minute interview regarding my health, what I ate and drank, why I want to donate, religious beliefs, etc etc. Plus they enquire about other donations too.

But yeah, I imagine any local GP will have a sign on list.

Thanks. It's something I'd love to do because, as you said, I don't need two of the things. But I guess with not being very healthy and a smoker I wouldn't be eligible to donate. Thanks though

[Zuki]

Well, I ticked the "Use my organs" box when applying for provisional...IDK if that counts.

[damilola]

yup, i signed up, my parents freaked out a bit but meh

[KJane]

(Original post by AeroLB)
You can't just put everybody on the list, and there should be more stringent checks. Even donating blood there are so many criteria to be filled and questions asked. It should definitely not be opt in because it would cause more problems than it solved - what if you for whatever reason never removed yourself from the list or changed your mind in a high pressure situation? There could end up being legal battles for organs that are 'government owned'.

They're obviously not going to give someone a diseased organ, and half the criteria for blood donation is for your own safety anyway. I can't give blood because I have seizures and it might set me off, if your underweight you can't give blood, etc, which is obvs is no problem once you're dead.

If your next of kin knew you changed your mind then they could object and the organs wouldn't be taken as long as we had a 'soft' approach to next of kin like Spain, In Austria they take them anyway even if the family object. If the family don't object then it goes ahead, your dead, your wishes won't count for nothing if they're unknown, if they were there wouldn't be a problem.

[Cariie]

The easier they make organ donation the better! Like the advert says, if you needed a transplant and would take one, then you should probably put yourself down on the list

Not entirely sure about an opt-out system, but in honest I'd prefer it to how it is now. All the people who can't be bothered to sign up but in all honesty wouldn't miss their corneas or kidneys when they're gone will be added on and everyone who doesn't want to be on there be it for religious/moral/just plain freaked out by it reasons then it'll be one click/one form away. Waiting lists for organs can be YEARS long and most people on that list don't have years to wait for them :/

I mean come on, you could save someones life or even give back their sight, I know I'd fancy that

[OSharp]

I think i signed up for everything but corneas, don't know why considering its just pigmented eye tissue but oh well.

and as for the rumors about doctors being less likely to save you if your on the donor list, that's a load of crap.

they're unlikely to take your organs if you have anything chronic than if your in an accident and if your in an accident they're perhaps going to be a bit too busy trying to stop you from bleeding all over A and E majors to take the time to consider how your body should be treated post mortem

[KJane]

(Original post by Delta_Aitch)
I understand that it's ridiculously easy to opt-in/opt-out, however it is the state's presumption that everyone wants their organs to be donated that irritates me.

There are many people out there who do want to donate their organs when asked about it, but are unaware that they need to be put on the register. Now let's say that organ donation was changed to being opt-out, the fact will still remain that, while it may be easy to opt-out, people are just unaware that they have to explicitly do it.
There are many reasons (I personally do not believe in) as to why people don't want to donate their organs, and for them to be pretty much forced into it because they hadn't realised they had to 'opt-out' is ridiculous.

There is very little we as human can control in our lives, but to have the state assume control over our own bodies is just not on, in my opinion.

I believe the solution is just to keep people aware of the need of organ donation and to advertise more, not to take away their freedom by assuming everyone will want in on it.


Err, out of interest, can someone clarify the difference between 'assume' and 'presume'? I'm interchanging them both and have confused myself

Why not just implement the reverse? Extensive advertising of the change will let people know that unless they let their wishes be known by simply filling a form or ticking a few boxes on the internet, their organs will be taken, there wouldn't be any reason for people not to know.

I don't see how their freedom is taken away, they still have a choice over whether their organs are used or not, either way they'd still have to sign a form, just like they do now to opt in. Whatever reason people oppose it for they can just opt out and lives are saved regardless. To me, this seems a win-win situation because if so many people don't mind or do want to donate then it's easier for the smaller amount of people who oppose it to take action.

To keep carrying on the way we are is condemning the thousands of people who are waiting for an organ to death in the meantime. Belgium carries out hundreds more transplants than we do each year because of their opt out system.

[Elwyn]

(Original post by DH-Biker)
I've put myself on the living kidney donation, too.

I salute you sir

The one thing I can't bring myself to do is live kidney donation.
Hopefully I'll change my mind one day.