[Tfaska]

I wanted to study law, but I left it for many reasons. One of them is just how hard it is to get a job in the first place, never mind choosing a particular area of law. The other, bigger, reason was this: "And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers." 5:44, as well as 5:47 and 4:59
I don't know how much these can be applied to practising law in the UK, but tbh it puts me off.

[marcusfox]

(Original post by Tfaska)
I wanted to study law, but I left it for many reasons. One of them is just how hard it is to get a job in the first place, never mind choosing a particular area of law. The other, bigger, reason was this: "And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers." 5:44, as well as 5:47 and 4:59
I don't know how much these can be applied to practising law in the UK, but tbh it puts me off.

Surely 'Allah' reveals the evidence in the court and people judge accordingly. You are not judging either way.

And by that logic, if Allah has not revealed himself to you, you can't believe in him...

[Tfaska]

(Original post by marcusfox)
Surely 'Allah' reveals the evidence in the court and people judge accordingly. You are not judging either way.

And by that logic, if Allah has not revealed himself to you, you can't believe in him...

I'm not too sure what you mean there. What Allah has reavealed is the Quran (or other books). It's referring to Islamic laws, and saying that replacing them with any other laws is doing injustice.

[AverageExcellence]

You obviously havent heard of the 'cab rank' rule

[G8D]

You aren't backing a criminal until they are found guilty though, technically

Also, you could always go into one of the maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany other areas of law.

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by hamzazulfiqar)
why do white people complain about muslims ? go join the edl and do it there.

I am a Muslim, also, you need to stop using the word ''White'' when trying to differentiate between Muslims and non-Muslims. In the past, you could have got away with that, but the White Muslim community is growing rapidly..

Also Perseveranze was the ONLY one who posted a reply with proof etc, so my first post remains correct..

[chelseafan]

What a silly thread.

[marcusfox]

(Original post by Tfaska)
I'm not too sure what you mean there. What Allah has reavealed is the Quran (or other books). It's referring to Islamic laws, and saying that replacing them with any other laws is doing injustice.

You should obey the laws of the country where you live. I believe Allah is supposed to have said something along those lines.

Fulfill your obligations!

[loyalty is royalty]

Working as a lawyer is not haram in and of itself, because it is not judging according to something other than that which Allah has revealed, rather it is acting as a persons representative in cases of dispute, which is permissible.

[Silver Lining]

(Original post by h_a_95)
Im really interested in pursuing a career in law, and i am a muslim but what i've heard is that when you are a lawyer, you do not get to pick and choose you cases rather they are chosen for you and you could be backing a criminal.

is this true ? and are there any alternatives ?

because i most definently don't want to be supporting criminals, liers, murderers and winning those cases it would make me feel like crap all the time.

its not haraam.

[im so academic]

(Original post by h_a_95)
Even in those sectors, you could still be backing liers claiming land or money that they are not entitled too.

Then don't become a lawyer then. Sheesh, if you are "ethically and religiously" against becoming a lawyer, there are many other people who would take your place.

What ever next?

[im so academic]

(Original post by weirdnessandcoffee)
Depends on what type of lawyer you want to be- you also have to shake your clients hands whether they may be male or female, and physical contact with those outside your husband and family is also haraam.

But, I'm muslim and aspiring into law as well- but it's more of a personal decision to whether you may have to represent criminals- but I think criminal law is the only area in which you could represent criminals? On the other hand, in most law situations- take immigration for an example, no one is right and no one is wrong because someone wants to stay in the country to feed their family back home and another person doesn't want their country to get crowded- (this point is very general though)

If they're here illegally, they should go back home. Also, the money "going back home" is less money for the British economy.

[sophia_]

No.

[Tfaska]

(Original post by marcusfox)
You should obey the laws of the country where you live. I believe Allah is supposed to have said something along those lines.

Fulfill your obligations!

Haha, well yeah that's true and Islam does say that we should follow the law of the land we're in
But ideally, there should be a state that has its constitution based on the Quran and Sunnah, and from which all other laws are derived. That used to exist as the Caliphate which then became colonised and turned into all these "Islamic" countries (which are really more like a secular mishmash of power-hungry people than having any religious/ideological basis).

Maybe that is why some people say it's OK to be a lawyer, but I don't honestly know. I don't agree with the English legal system anyway and I don't ever want to be involved in it.

[marcusfox]

(Original post by Tfaska)
Haha, well yeah that's true and Islam does say that we should follow the law of the land we're in
But ideally, there should be a state that has its constitution based on the Quran and Sunnah, and from which all other laws are derived. That used to exist as the Caliphate which then became colonised and turned into all these "Islamic" countries (which are really more like a secular mishmash of power-hungry people than having any religious/ideological basis).

Maybe that is why some people say it's OK to be a lawyer, but I don't honestly know. I don't agree with the English legal system anyway and I don't ever want to be involved in it.

Well, just as muslims as a whole are generally happy with the legal system as goes on in their own countries (as is of course their right), we English in England are generally happy with the way it is in this country. The laws and customs reflect the values and expectations of society, and they differ in different countries.

If you travel or emigrate permanently to another country, you should expect to agree to live by their rules.

Foreigners in muslim countries are expected to live under Islamic law, after all.

[Tfaska]

(Original post by marcusfox)
Well, just as muslims as a whole are generally happy with the legal system as goes on in their own countries (as is of course their right), we English in England are generally happy with the way it is in this country. The laws and customs reflect the values and expectations of society, and they differ in different countries.

I don't think muslims generally are happy, but I assume you mean they agree with the ideology of Islam if not the way it is actually practised today. Just as I don't agree with dictatorship, I would not want to be a lawyer in the Syrian legal system. Also just like I don't agree with rampant communism, arbitrary arrest and torture, I wouln't want to work in the legal system in Uzbekistan. Similar reasons would apply to any other "muslim" country. I wouldn't want to work in any legal system that I see as completely unethical (to me, and my ethics are Islam).

If you travel or emigrate permanently to another country, you should expect to agree to live by their rules.

Agreed

Foreigners in muslim countries are expected to live under Islamic law, after all.

(just an aside, but in a proper Islamic state - the caliphate, people of the book ie Jews/Christians are allowed to set up their own private courts for civil matters and don't have to follow most of the muslim-specific laws such as dress code, alcohol prohibition etc.)
The issue wasn't following the law but enforcing it which is what a lawyer does.

I don't want to argue over this forever, just call it a personal choice.