London Buses "Anti-Gay advertisement"

If I was homophobic, I would at least be more aware of the fact that things have changed in modern society, and that my views are no longer the majority, or well-received. Yeah, maybe some of them won't care at all, but I think it at least gives out that kind of message. The bluntness of it is what I think works the most.

If I was myself gay, and if I didn't know about Stonewall beforehand, I would feel that there was some place to gain information/support. I would probably feel that if I myself was in a stage of denial about my sexuality, that I should "get over it" too because it's something that doesn't matter as much as I had thought. Maybe the impact would be minimal here too on some people, it all varies with the individual and what their situation is.

The advert isn't "all in your face". It's short and blunt and gets to the point. Homophobia is a problem today, and affects a lot of people, it's not something that an advert should dither about.

I don't think you can beat homophobia (or racism, sexism etc) by simply drowning out those opinions. I suppose it does depend on what you mean by 'beat' though, do you want to effectively convert people from bigotry, or just let bigots be bigots and ignore explicit bigotry, hoping that their actions behind the scenes come to nothing.

if muslims had done this the british public would have gone ape. fcking hypocrites.

They're all over Ealing, like the bus that runs in my area is plastered with it. I was wondering what the deal behind it was

While it would be a good idea to keep bigoted views to yourself (if you hold them) I don't think it would be right to punish people for expressing views that are thought of by most civilised people to be wrong.

People don't keep their heterosexuality to themselves. People don't keep their religious values to themselves. Why is it that you arbitrarily decide that homosexuality is something that should be kept 'to ourselves' but not other similar notions.

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I think you fella's misunderstood. I mean as always with good intent.

Homosexuals should keep to themselves for their own good. I say this in light of recent findings of the increased level of;

- Homosexual bullying/harassment (especially online)/ which sadly leads to suicide.
- Homosexual increased depression leading to the intake of drugs^[1]

As I present my case -


[INDENT]Numerous studies have shown that lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth have a higher rate of suicide attempts than do heterosexual youth. The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 30 and 40% of LGB youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide.^[2] A U.S. government study, titled Report of the Secretary's Task Force on Youth Suicide, published in 1989, found that LGBT youth are four times more likely to attempt suicide than other young people.^[3] This higher prevalence of suicidal ideation and overall mental health problems among gay teenagers compared to their heterosexual peers has been attributed to Minority Stress.^[4][5] "More than 34,000 people die by suicide each year," making it "the third leading cause of death among 15 to 24 year olds with lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth attempting suicide up to four times more than their heterosexual peers."^[6]

[/INDENT]
[INDENT="2"]
[INDENT]"LGBT students are three times as likely as non-LGBT students to say that they do not feel safe at school (22% vs. 7%) and 90% of LGBT students (vs. 62% of non-LGBT teens) have been harassed or assaulted during the past year."^[11] In addition, "LGBQ students were more likely than heterosexual students to have seriously considered leaving their institution as a result of harassment and discrimination."^[12] Susan Rankin, a contributing author to the report in Miami, found that “Unequivocally, The 2010 State of Higher Education for LGBT People demonstrates that LGBTQ students, faculty and staff experience a ‘chilly’ campus climate of harassment and far less than welcoming campus communities."^[12][/INDENT]


I believe this is unfair, human beings should not have to go through such suffering, especially in such a "civilized society" we live in. However, it's not like you can suddenly change people's mindsets.

It is how it is, social rejection is a fundemental part of society that entails it's consequences without many solutions.

So when I said "they should keep to themselves", it's merely suggesting that they do what I would call a "don't say, don't tell" situation, where they mind their own business, and everyone else minds theirs. No one needs to know their gay or have a discussion about "gays" or anything. So it ends harassment, bullying etc.

Everyone in the end is happy and can live in peace. And ofcourse, suicides would also be significantly down the chart.

The other solution is they get their own island, and everyone is with common folks, feeling right at home. But, this is a bit unpractical I say.


So, please don't be so judgemental of me in regards to my intentions, I think that's very contradictory to the LGBT cause. I only wish well, not my problem if you don't understand that.

Your sexuality isn't something you can change. It's not a bad thing to be gay, and it shouldn't be seen that way when clearly no one chooses it. It doesn't affect anyone else, it's no harm to anyone else. So yeah, I would say that an advert which tries to change something that is perfectly harmless and is something that can't actually be changed is anti-gay and ignorant.

It's the same thing as there being an advert to encourage dark-skinned people to bleach their skin to become white. Your skin colour doesn't harm anyone, you can't change it. You wouldn't allow an advert like this, it's clearly racist. Why would you allow the anti-gay one?

This is the advent of the UK adopting Sharia Law!

I think you fella's misunderstood. I mean as always with good intent.

Homosexuals should keep to themselves for their own good. I say this in light of recent findings of the increased level of;

- Homosexual bullying/harassment (especially online)/ which sadly leads to suicide.
- Homosexual increased depression leading to the intake of drugs^[1]

As I present my case -


[INDENT]Numerous studies have shown that lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth have a higher rate of suicide attempts than do heterosexual youth. The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 30 and 40% of LGB youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide.^[2] A U.S. government study, titled Report of the Secretary's Task Force on Youth Suicide, published in 1989, found that LGBT youth are four times more likely to attempt suicide than other young people.^[3] This higher prevalence of suicidal ideation and overall mental health problems among gay teenagers compared to their heterosexual peers has been attributed to Minority Stress.^[4][5] "More than 34,000 people die by suicide each year," making it "the third leading cause of death among 15 to 24 year olds with lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth attempting suicide up to four times more than their heterosexual peers."^[6]

[/INDENT]
[INDENT="2"]
[INDENT]"LGBT students are three times as likely as non-LGBT students to say that they do not feel safe at school (22% vs. 7%) and 90% of LGBT students (vs. 62% of non-LGBT teens) have been harassed or assaulted during the past year."^[11] In addition, "LGBQ students were more likely than heterosexual students to have seriously considered leaving their institution as a result of harassment and discrimination."^[12] Susan Rankin, a contributing author to the report in Miami, found that “Unequivocally, The 2010 State of Higher Education for LGBT People demonstrates that LGBTQ students, faculty and staff experience a ‘chilly’ campus climate of harassment and far less than welcoming campus communities."^[12][/INDENT]


I believe this is unfair, human beings should not have to go through such suffering, especially in such a "civilized society" we live in. However, it's not like you can suddenly change people's mindsets.

It is how it is, social rejection is a fundemental part of society that entails it's consequences without many solutions.

So when I said "they should keep to themselves", it's merely suggesting that they do what I would call a "don't say, don't tell" situation, where they mind their own business, and everyone else minds theirs. No one needs to know their gay or have a discussion about "gays" or anything. So it ends harassment, bullying etc.

Everyone in the end is happy and can live in peace. And ofcourse, suicides would also be significantly down the chart.

The other solution is they get their own island, and everyone is with common folks, feeling right at home. But, this is a bit unpractical I say.


So, please don't be so judgemental of me in regards to my intentions, I think that's very contradictory to the LGBT cause. I only wish well, not my problem if you don't understand that.

Why is it assumed that people offering therapy to make people straight means they think being gay is a bad thing?

People offer sex change surgeries but does that means they think that being a certain sex is a bad thing?

You should probably read the link provided. It wasn't a Muslim campaign.

That's a completely different example. People who have sex changes do so because they want to feel more comfortable in their bodies. That's a more psychological matter. People choose to change their sex because they do it for themselves. Not only that, but it's pretty damn clear that sex change surgeries work.

People offering therapy to change a sexuality, something that cannot be changed at all, are ignorant of that fact. A "therapy" to change sexuality is more brainwashing and isn't successful anyway. People who usually offer "therapy" to change a sexuality are usually motivated by religious reasons. This group want to change the fact someone's gay to fit into their view of how the world should be. Can you demonstrate in any example at all where someone who offers someone a "therapy" to change the fact they're gay is doing so because they genuinely want to help, and aren't motivated by anything else?

Hah! you see, it is working. For a change this big they don't just bloat it out, they instill it subliminally.

And people sign up to these gay change things because they feel uncomfortable with being gay which is also a psychological matter.

It doesn't matter whether it is successful or not that is entirely irrelevant.

They feel uncomfortable because they think there's something wrong with them, that there's a societal/religious pressure which advocates that they shouldn't be the way they are, because a small group simply believe it is wrong or unnatural.

It's entirely relevant, because it proves that this therapy doesn't exist, and the fact that people still think they can advertise is shows the amount of stupidity and ignorance they have. It's a complete lie.

And I see you didnt give an example of where someone offering this "therapy" isn't guided by their view of the world should be.