B422 - Transracial Adoptions Bill 2012 (Second Reading)
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Re: B422 - Transracial Adoptions Bill 2012 (Second Reading)(Original post by xXedixXx)
Nay, it still doesn't make sense. As TopHat pointed out previously "there are no restrictions". So it doesn't make sense to say that you're removing restrictions that don't exist anyway...Would you really vote against a good Bill simply because there's some slight inconsistency with one aspect of the wording (namely the title given to Part I)?An Act instituting guidelines for the role of ethnicity in adoption procedure.

This Bill aims to put in place a uniform approach to ethnicity/race across all local authorities' children's services, as currently it is too fickle an area. -
Re: B422 - Transracial Adoptions Bill 2012 (Second Reading)It doesn't make any sense as it stands.(Original post by JPKC)
Would you really vote against a good Bill simply because there's some slight inconsistency with one aspect of the wording (namely the title given to Part I)?

This Bill aims to put in place a uniform approach to ethnicity/race across all local authorities' children's services, as currently it is too fickle an area.
It's like me saying: "I would prefer it if people didn't smoke on buses, but I'm not forcing you not to."
Then someone else coming along saying: "I demand that all restrictions on smoking on buses be revoked." when there were no restrictions in the first place.
It simply needs to be changed and should have been done in the previous reading, as no effort was made to do this I will be voting no unless it goes to a third reading. -
Re: B422 - Transracial Adoptions Bill 2012 (Second Reading)(Original post by xXedixXx)
It doesn't make any sense as it stands.
It's like me saying: "I would prefer it if people didn't smoke on buses, but I'm not forcing you not to."
Then someone else coming along saying: "I demand that all restrictions on smoking on buses be revoked." when there were no restrictions in the first place.
It simply needs to be changed and should have been done in the previous reading, as no effort was made to do this I will be voting no unless it goes to a third reading.I'm not sure I follow, what part of the Bill, as above, do you disagree with? I think you're arguing that the whole Bill is worth voting 'no' against because of one somewhat insignificant line: "Removal of Restrictions".(1) For the purposes of this Act:
(a) "Ethnicity" is as defined by the British Census 2011.(2) All restrictions relating to the adoption of children by a person/people of another ethnicity to the child are defunct.
(3) Local authorities' children's services are prevented from denying adoption on the basis of differences in ethnicity between the adoptee and the adopter(s).
(4) Ethnicity is a factor for assessing the appropriateness of potential adopters.
(a) It is assumed to be beneficial for a child to be adopted by parents of the same ethnicity.
Restrictions aren't being removed, so it was a poor section title, but that's really not worth changing with a third reading. It has absolutely zero impact on what the Bill actually does. It looks petty.
Where do you stand on the Bill?(Original post by TopHat)
Aye. Glad to see the Coalition is willing to listen on at least some fronts. -
Re: B422 - Transracial Adoptions Bill 2012 (Second Reading)(2) Needs changing. It's simply not right.(Original post by JPKC)
I'm not sure I follow, what part of the Bill, as above, do you disagree with? I think you're arguing that the whole Bill is worth voting 'no' against because of one somewhat insignificant line: "Removal of Restrictions".
Restrictions aren't being removed, so it was a poor section title, but that's really not worth changing with a third reading. It has absolutely zero impact on what the Bill actually does. It looks petty. -
Re: B422 - Transracial Adoptions Bill 2012 (Second Reading)From a really technical standpoint, (2) is pointless because these restrictions never existed, and (3) and (4) contradict each other, because (3) says ethnicity can't be used at all, while (4)(a) says it can, but only a preferential basis.(Original post by JPKC)
Where do you stand on the Bill?
I mean, I'm an aye because I think it's clear enough what (3) means and (2) doesn't actually make the bill bad, it's just... pointless, but there are still little thing which could be fixed. -
Re: B422 - Transracial Adoptions Bill 2012 (Second Reading)Well technically it is under the local rules of certain children's services. Some local authorities operate polices that are akin to same-race adoption for younger children, this was the conclusion drawn by both the Government (why else would they be looking to change it?) and the University of Bradford (I can't find a direct link to the research, but here's a preview that gives the gist). Besides, if there were no restrictions Clause (2) would have no impact at all, it hardly seems like a viable dealbreaker.(Original post by xXedixXx)
(2) Needs changing. It's simply not right.
The Bill was badly worded.Last edited by JPKC; 12-04-2012 at 23:59.