What has happened to class and sophistication?
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Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?My view exactly!(Original post by Just-Some-Guy)
I blame the media (not all the media of course) and careless you role models who have no idea of the influence the have on young people.
For instance, I'm not fond of "generated" boy bands or teen groups, but I will admit that they are obviously liked by loads.2-3 years ago, the only people wearing chino's were Carlton from fresh prince!!
It just annoys me how people think they are unique...by dressing the same as everyone else.......le sigh -
Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?Don't be ridiculous. You'll notice I said that showing off some clevage and some leg is fine and can be sexy... I do sometimes and have never had a problem with it. But a lot of women (and I'm not trying to generalise) are under the impression that you can't be sexy by dressing modestly. And by modestly, I mean something like this (much as I am apathetic about Duchess of Cambridge, I think a lot of what she wears is very classy):(Original post by Ocassus)
Sorry, I didn't realise people needed to wear tuxedos/suits (for men) and full length dresses (for women) to look good.
The human body is a natural and beautiful form, overly modest clothing is the product of a bygone era when chastity and religion were linked with the apparent promiscuity of the human race.
That said, I couldn't give a toss about modern 'fashion' either.
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Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?Notice I said "look like" because like it or not, this is what a lot of these women look like. Whether they are or not depends on your understanding of the word and I don't mean to imply that.(Original post by OmicronPersei8)
Just because a few women that decide to wear a mini-skirt to these events, doesn't mean all the women in Britain have fallen into depravity.
Yes hemlines have gotten shorter - but that is fashion. Last summer, maxi dresses and skirts were everywhere and this year you can see beautiful asymmetrical skirts in stores.
If you don't like how short skirts are and how low v-necks are then simple, don't wear them!
I'd go off on another rant about the word "tart" and how quick you are to judge someone purely on the basis of what they're wearing but I'll leave it at that. -
Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?
It's Aintree, what more can you say? Every year it's a cacophony of fake tan, cleavage, heels which you can't walk in, cellulite, badly-fitting clothes and people who really can't dress for their weight and/or age. It always looks cheap. I did enjoy an article this year however which showed what happened when it rained, and the glowing mahogany women had gone all streaky.
Ascot's a totally different game, but this year even Ascot's had to introduce more rules on dress-code (they've been having to up the ante with their rules for the last few years actually) because standards are slipping so much.Last edited by Lil Piranha; 14-04-2012 at 10:13. -
Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?I think any photos from Aintree have to come with the caveat attached that it's basically just a big opportunity for scousers to OD on fake tan and make up. The papers know this and naturally hunt out pictures of the worst disasters for publication.(Original post by Rascacielos)
About an hour ago I came across some pictures of the so-called 'best dressed' from Ladies' Day at Aintree today and it got me thinking: what has happened to class among women (and most likely men as well)?
That said it is a reflection of the fact that 'dressing up' for a lot of women now means shortest skirt, longest heels and thickest make up. It's a little sad because frankly it's not actually very appealing. -
Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?I know Ascot is a long way away from Aintree in terms of fashion, or whatever you like to call it. I was just using it as an illustration really.(Original post by Lil Piranha)
It's Aintree, what more can you say? Every year it's a cacophony of fake tan, cleavage, heels which you can't walk in, cellulite, badly-fitting clothes and people who really can't dress for their weight and/or age. It always looks cheap. I did enjoy an article this year however which showed what happened when it rained, and the glowing mahogany women had gone all streaky.
Ascot's a totally different game, but this year even Ascot's had to introduce more rules on dress-code (they've been having to up the ante with their rules for the last few years actually) because standards are slipping so much. -
Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?This.(Original post by RolyBholi)
Agree 100%. I think it's such a shame that this sort of thing has become the norm in today's society. Plus, I hate it when if you do show class and sophistication, you get the mick taken out of you for being 'posh' (I've seen it happen). Well, it's not really posh, it's just having standards.
And apparently 22% of 18-24 year old women would be happy to make a career out of sleeping around.
It's both horrible and shocking. RIP Manners
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Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?
I so agree. I think it's great that people today have the option to wear whatever they want, but what I don't understand is how people can go out dressed in skirts that look like belts and think they look good? It doesn't matter how nice your legs are, they still look awful! As for celebrity influence, sadly that's all too true. Give me the days of Audrey Hepburn elegance over Katie Price anyday.
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Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?I agree with you completely. The picture you posted is representative of the decline in standards across society and how those women are dressed is verging on vulgar. They may believe they are "emancipated" women but in reality have lost all self-respect and that of those around them. When it comes to hemlines I have to agree that it is rare to see girls and young women dressed suitably. Obviously there is a place for shorts and short skirts but it is not for formal or everyday wear.(Original post by Rascacielos)
About an hour ago I came across some pictures of the so-called 'best dressed' from Ladies' Day at Aintree today and it got me thinking: what has happened to class among women (and most likely men as well)?
50 years ago, Aintree, Ascot, Derby and the likes would have showcased some of the best dressed, most sophisticated women out there. Today women seem to be adopting the "anything longer than 2 inches below your knicker line is too long" approach as opposed to "anything shorter than 2 inches above your knee is too short."
A prime example which seemed to be the order of the day at Aintree Ladies' Day:
I would feel self-conscious (in the, I-think-I-look-like-a-prostitute kind of way!) wearing many of the dresses seen at Aintree today to a nightclub... And this is meant to be a sophisticated, daytime event.
But regardless of the event or occasion, I feel that in general hemlines are getting way too short, as v-necked tops are getting too low. I can't remember the last time I saw someone my age wearing a knee length dress and it's very rare that I see someone dressed up for the evening in an outfit that doesn't show any cleavage. Sure, a little clevage can be sexy and if you have nice legs, why not show them off, but there are ways to achieve that look without looking like a complete tart and that's something British women increasingly don't seem to be able to grasp.
EDIT: Please can we move on from the generic 'just because these particular people do X doesn't mean EVERYONE does X' response. That's not what I'm implying so please get over it.
A similar situation exists with men today. So few understand what is appropriate and there has been an intrusion of ugly trends over the past few years (neon-coloured clothes, mismatched items, clothes which are too baggy or overly tight items, which only serve to make men look effeminate). In my opinion a nice fitted shirt and smart trousers should be the staple outfit for men, with ties worn more often. It's a shame that the necktie is gradually being exorcised from our workplaces and formal events in the name of progress. -
Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?Ditto. A well-dressed woman is much more of an attraction than a slut, who are ten a penny on any night out. And I'm a waistcoat fan myself - it makes the suit what it is. Do you dress smartly on a daily basis?(Original post by RobertWhite)
I'd prefer a lady who dresses sophisticatedly over one who doesn't. When I go to clubs which require a suit, such as a ball, I still wear the waistcoat
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Re: What has happened to class and sophistication?Look on the tele at the paddock, where the owners, their families and friends gather. That is where the real money is and that doesn't look like the Reeperbahn.(Original post by Rascacielos)
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