[HoneyFlux]

(Original post by sil3nt_cha0s)
She said, I quote "also as previously said it wasnt my money...i dont care about money..im financially very fortunate. so the 150pounds i could care less about."

so she's not bothered about the £150 because it wasn't hers. I'm guessing it was off her rich daddy's credit card or something similar.

yes it wasnt mine to begin with. but now that ive done it. i would pay 150pounds again if i had to.

[redbuthotter]

For a girl it could make sense. Most will never lift a weight in their life, which is obviously the way to go :P .

Guys on the other hand... will go in aiming to lift.

I guess you could blame popular culture for this.

(Original post by mikestraws)
That makes me physically sick.

[mikestraws]

(Original post by HoneyFlux)
what is it to you where i get my money from? have your parents never gotten you anything. this is why the title of this thread is called 'IF you can afford it..'

That wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at the general idea of people having rich parents who just let them use their money or credit cards. Your money is not my business and I couldn't care less.

However your other reply to me was hillarious, the way you try and subtely make it sound like people who don't do it your way are doing a bad thing, saying things like:

(Original post by HoneyFlux)

Thing is, i didnt need to spend years of gym membership, or searching online for tips and watching you tube videos hours on end. For a measly 150 i got results in 3 months. If youre happy going to the gym everyday for years on end, then good for you.

Very clever.

Anyway, the point is you spent money to avoid the hard work and education, you got results fast which is brilliant. Eventually, those results will be gone and it will be time for you to fork out another 150quid or more, because you will be back where you started with no knowledge on how to fix it.

Good luck!

[McHumpy92]

You mad that I have inner drive?

(Original post by HoneyFlux)
as i mentioned before, i have had heart complications, and problems with my circulation.so maybe the whole carb/protein thing was specific to me. however when i tried it i realised it actually did work. loads of people go on the atkins diet, the gluten free diet etc, so im just saying. it was a little change for the way i felt.

and im not paying anyone anything. I have health insurance. So thats like you going to the nhs and them telling you something, and me telling you 'you got scammed' WTF.

are people on here really arguing about 150pounds?.thats insane. Im sure most of you go and buy stuff for much more. its my choice what i do with my money. Just cos i have 150pounds to spare doesnt make me rich. My mom paid it for me, and so what? You have a problem with that? The money was well spent since i achieved my goals, and im SURE that i wouldnt have achieved them as quickly without the personal trainer. A lot of you people on here are just bitter. i was just dishing out advice, because it really helped me lose weight fast. im not a doctor, and the nutritionist in the clinic is actually a Doctor, but in charge of telling people who specifically want to lose weight or be healthier what to do. She finds out what you eat on a normal basis, and then tells you what you may need to change according to your condition. that is all. im just calling her a nutritionist, but she is actually a certified doctor. Everyone in the clinic is.

Thing is, i didnt need to spend years of gym membership, or searching online for tips and watching you tube videos hours on end. For a measly 150 i got results in 3 months. If youre happy going to the gym everyday for years on end, then good for you. the 150 just kick started me off, i dont have a personal trainer now, cos i know exactly what to do, how to do it, and found the motivation to do. A lot of people i see who use the gym have no motivation (especially fat girls) i see them start to go slower or move to another machine when they get 'tired' a personal trainer wouldnt allow this, they would push you.

im not going to argue spending 150pounds anymore. all i know is im happy with my weight and health now. If you're complaining about 150pounds, then either you dont have that money to spend and wish you did, or youve spent so much efforts in the gym on your own that you have to justify having done that for the past years. take it or leave it i say.

[TheInformer]

You essentially paid 150 quid for not only a ton of nutritional bro-science, but information on how to use machines/cardio that could be found in 5 minutes with a simple google search or reading the instructions on the machine itself.

Although kudos to you for trying to better yourself.

[HoneyFlux]

(Original post by mikestraws)

However your other reply to me was hillarious, the way you try and subtely make it sound like people who don't do it your way are doing a bad thing, saying things like:


Very clever.

i know loads of people who go to the gym for months years, and its hard whilst at uni, and they never really see results, and other people dont notice any weight loss. i think guys its much easier, and its easier to get muscle if youre a guy. but i know sooo many girls who always go to the gym, and i see their frustration when they arent making any big changes. a personal trainer could help with that problem. And also another thing, personal trainers dont usually have one client for a long period of time. each of their clients are limited to like the 3 to 12 sessions, depending on your aim. its very rare that someone sticks with a personal trainer for a year. its a short term thing. just sayin..

[HoneyFlux]

(Original post by TheInformer)
You essentially paid 150 quid for not only a ton of nutritional bro-science, but information on how to use machines/cardio that could be found in 5 minutes with a simple google search or reading the instructions on the machine itself.

Although kudos to you for trying to better yourself.

if someone says to me:

you'll have to pay up 150 pounds, but you will reach your weight/health aims within a particular time frame.

VS.

figure out the stuff yourself, and take longer to achieve those results.


im sorry, but i would pay the 150 pounds.

[mistermeowingtons]

I'm sorry but your advice on nutrition is absolute bull****. Things such as not mixing carbs and protein, not eating carbs at dinner and avoiding tea and coffee are pure pseudoscience. Losing weight is all about the amount of calories you consume.

I think personal trainers are a waste of money. I never have a problem in motivating myself to do exercise, and I can design my own fitness plans.

[HoneyFlux]

(Original post by mistermeowingtons)
I'm sorry but your advice on nutrition is absolute bull****. Things such as not mixing carbs and protein, not eating carbs at dinner and avoiding tea and coffee are pure pseudoscience. Losing weight is all about the amount of calories you consume.

I think personal trainers are a waste of money. I never have a problem in motivating myself to do exercise, and I can design my own fitness plans.

thats fine. all i know is it worked for me.

[TheInformer]

(Original post by HoneyFlux)
if someone says to me:

you'll have to pay up 150 pounds, but you will reach your weight/health aims within a particular time frame.

VS.

figure out the stuff yourself, and take longer to achieve those results.


im sorry, but i would pay the 150 pounds.

That would be all well and good if the results would stick. The benefit of learning about nutrition etc yourself is that you can easily change your diet etc in a healthy way.

Do you plan on sticking with that diet plan you've been given? as it doesn't really look like something many could for an extended period of time.

[HoneyFlux]

(Original post by TheInformer)
That would be all well and good if the results would stick. The benefit of learning about nutrition etc yourself is that you can easily change your diet etc in a healthy way.

Do you plan on sticking with that diet plan you've been given? as it doesn't really look like something many could for an extended period of time.

im not doing this diet right now. its what i did while i was working out..for around 3 months i did it. now that ive lost all the weight, i have kept it off, and im just staying constant. the diet helped me stop snacking all the time, and got me more focused. since i had a specific plan to go by. now i generally dont even have much of a craving for all the things i used to be bad for.

but the protein at night thing, just from my own experience, it makes me feel more energetic in the morning, and not bloated and lazy. if that makes sense. so i do tend to eat protein at night still. and tend to eat carbs during the day. i dont really see how this diet is so hard, as a lot of you are saying. its basically eating the same normal things, just making sure u eat not as much carbs during the night. thats practically it.

[aivi]

I'm ignoring my knee-jerk reaction with regards to PTs (>90% of them don't know **** about proper nutrition or training), and trying to be mature about this.

1) First off congratulations for trying to get healthy and fit, and for reaching your goal. I hope you manage to keep the weight off.

2) Like many people have said, you lost the weight mainly because of eating less calories (like you said, the plan helped you to cut down on your snacking and try out new healthier recipes). Besides the thing about trying to cut back on chocolate (which actually is good for you, if you try to eat raw or 100% proof chocolate with no sugars or sweeteners), the nutritional advice is BS. Like people have mentioned there is no scientific basis for separating your protein and carbs. Also you do know that vegetables are mainly carbs? While they aren't as energy-dense as something like potatoes, and thus will not spike your insulin as much, they are still mainly carbs with comparatively less protein and fat.
With regards to breakfast, it depends on the person whether they wish to continue the night's fast, eat light or go heavy. The problem with eating something like juice (which is absorbed very fast, and thus spikes insulin.. you'd be better off eating the whole fruit and getting at least some more fiber), fruit or cereal is that it won't keep you full for long, and after your blood sugar goes down again, you end up hungry before lunch (if you can keep from snacking, great, but you can just avoid the hunger by eating smartly).
In order, protein, then fat, and then carbs keep you fullest for longer. So while trying to lose weight, it makes more sense to try to up your protein and cut back on the carbs to keep you satisfied (and also to protect any lean mass that you might have), rather than to rely on carbs throughout the day.

So in summary, yes the diet worked because of the calorie reduction, but that doesn't mean it's smart or healthy. I could easily achieve the same results by eating nothing other than chocolate...but I would lose lean mass, be cranky and be ready to slice'n'fry a person, just to get some protein.
So I would just advice you to do some more research on nutrition and work towards a better diet.

3) Most doctors spend under 5h of lectures/study on nutrition while in university, which makes me less than confident in their knowledge on the matter. (I can understand this though, since the field of medicine is advancing all the time, and they've probably got more tan enough new research papers to go through without spending time on something like nutrition that is regarded as being of little importance outside of general weillbeing and weight control...but there is more and more new research coming out linking nutrition strongly with several autoimmune diseases, and providing cures where other treatments have failed).

4) While I think £150 is a bit of a rip-off, it's great that it worked for you. If we disregard the fact that most PTs don't know the most effective training methods, the support they provide can be invaluable for someone lacking motivation. Any kind of group training or coaching can be invaluable, I know from experience. When training on my own, I rarely voluntarily do the kind of sick conditioning drills that we do in boxing, and just gravitate more towards lifting (which I enjoy the most), even though i know that I would benefit from those additional burpees.

So in conclusion, I think that PTs can be useful for people who lack motivation (with regard to training or researching proper methods), but most people could use the money more wisely, and the whole thing is not really sustainable. The danger with most people is that they get bored and lose motivation once there is no-one to encourage/yell at them. If the drive to be fitter and better is not coming from inside the person him/herself, then usually progress stalls or stops. Also I would think most people drive to be ever fitter, so in that sense if you only attend some training sessions and then do the same workout after that, you will stagnate. If you continue to research for better methods, educate yourself and push your boundaries, the chances are that you are set for life on the road of better health and fitness.

Oh and not to be rude or anything, but please stop using terms like "toned tummy", it hurts my eyes. There is no such thing as toning.

[bertstare]

(Original post by HoneyFlux)
I used to be a size 12. and i had some complications with my heart this past summer, so i have been told i should start going to the gym, and my doctor even recommended a personal trainer so that they can monitor my heart and start me off easy. i was also put on a diet scheme, which is not only to lose weight but is how u should be eating normally. so i will share this information with you..(what my doc said)

Morning:

Eat light. Do not eat to the extent of being full. breakfast is just so that you alert your body that you're up. so drink half a glass of orange juice, and maybe a fruit like a banana..or a cereal. dont do a full english breakfast thing!

Lunch:
You can basically eat anything here, but dont mix carbs with protein! so if u wanna eat pasta, make it a vegetarian dish or if you eating a meat filled dish then eat it with veg. just keep carbs and protein separate.

Dinner:
ONLY PROTEIN!! This is most vital. If u make a steak for instance, dont add potatoes with it, leave the potatoes out and eat it with vegetables. Protein should be the last thing you eat before you go to bed, because while you sleep the protein works up the fat burning, and burns the fat faster. carbs just will sit there and store as fat.

Ditch the fizzy drink if u really cant then drink sparkling water, put a slice of lemon in it and lime, its just as refreshing! drink lots of water.

Eat as little chocolate as possible!...At least cut your chocolate intake to half.

also dont drink lots of tea or coffee.



GET YOURSELF A PERSONAL TRAINER.

i did 6 sessions for 150pounds and it was the best investment ever.
i learnt how to REALLY use the machines, and how far i can push myself. it makes such a big difference and was worth every penny. please do it i used to be terrified of using the weight balls, cos i didnt know how to use them and was scared id look like a fool. but now i know how to use them! and i love it!

my upper body got so toned. my tummy flattened instantly cos i was eating less carbs. and im now a proud size 8!

i started in october, and i turned a size 8 in 3/4months id say. BUT i noticed an improvement by the second personal training session!

but if you really find it difficult to do the food diet, then do the personal training first, because that was my real motivator.

hope this was helpful for some.

Good Luck!

what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[mikestraws]

(Original post by bertstare)
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[commandant]

If you get someone who is very knowledgeable and experienced, and you have the funds, I don't see the problem.

When I come back from my holiday in June I'm tempted to go with an online trainer, I know a few so it just means choosing.

It'll be nice to have everything set out for me for a few months and I just follow it and see where it gets me.

[Chrisateen]

(Original post by HoneyFlux)
if someone says to me:

you'll have to pay up 150 pounds, but you will reach your weight/health aims within a particular time frame.

VS.

figure out the stuff yourself, and take longer to achieve those results.


im sorry, but i would pay the 150 pounds.

I still don't completely agree with you. Any one male or female can lose the weight with or without a personal trainer and I'm a living proof of that.

When I first started i had no clue about lifting e.t.c but all I did was come home look at some of the videos on youtube and did some research on the internet and found the information I need. I lost 7st 7lbs in a year without a trainer (and I don't think I could have lost the weight any faster even with a trainer). In fact my body now looks a lot better than some of the trainers in the gym and even the trainers in the gym were shocked that I managed to do it on my own and one of the trainers asked to do an interview with him in order to help him get new clients .

I'm not saying personal trainers are a waste of time but they are not necessary in order for one to achieve our goals. A lot of the information you can get from a personal trainer you can also get from the internet for free.