[anarchism101]

Because, apart from North Korea, it's just about the most totalitarian society on the planet.

[Danen]

because saudi arabia is the home of islam, which hates women.

[laughylolly]

I used to live in Saudi and whilst I was there was reason that I heard why women couldn't drive is because they were not allowed to 'drive'/ herd camels back in the day and thats why they can't drive cars. But last time I checked women over 40 or 45 or something can get a license if not this year, next year or something. Women still widely drive in the countryside though. It's only really in the cities that the 'rule' is enforced.

(Original post by Ascendansy)
They can't vote either, then again that's not thread worthy is it?

They can actually now. Well the first time they will be able to vote is in 2016 which I think is the next big elections? As far as I remember half of the council/ministry positions are elected by the public the other half are appointed by the King.


Seriously though, as a woman that once lived in Saudi Arabia, I would never want to drive there. The driving is just soo bad, it's scary to go out on the roads.

(Original post by slylee)
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Saving lives is important to them?

In the region that I lived in something like 3 people died a day from car accidents (and I would say there was a max. of 500,000 people living in that region). So no, I wouldn't say that saving lives is very important to them at the moment because speed limits etc. are hardly enforced.

(Original post by aneemilie)
I don't think they can buy liquor either.

Alcohol is completely illegal is Saudi Arabia. Although many people still make their own stuff at home (isn't very nice though). Or people just go across to Bahrain for the weekend and drink there.

[crazyunicorn133]

I think the question should be: Why can't women do anything in Saudi Arabia?

It's not right.

...EDIT: yeah, so I got negged for being outraged at women being suppressed by their religion / society in 2012??

[aneemilie]

I don't think they can buy liquor either.

[harmony_01]

(Original post by levantine)
look dude im not saying we should change the law, I just wanted some opinions on the issue

If there are some that wish to drive, which clearly there are, so the Saudi monarchy should let them.

[laughylolly]

(Original post by harmony_01)
If there are some that wish to drive, which clearly there are, so the Saudi monarchy should let them.

I read this in an article the other week and thought this was a pretty good argument on why women shouldn't be able to drive YET.

Today women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive.

This one seems to concern western observers the most but there are more essential rights we need to obtain first.

I am definitely for women driving but I don't think this is the right time for a reversal of this law. In the current climate if a woman drives, she could be stopped, harassed beaten or worse to teach her a lesson.

This is why I am against women driving until we are educated enough and until we have the necessary laws to protect us from such madness. Otherwise we might as well hand out a licence to the extremists to abuse us further. If as drivers we get harassed, they will say to the Islamic world "see what happens when women drive, they get harassed they get beaten" and they will call for even more stringent laws to control women. This is something we can't afford. Fundamental changes in the law and its attitude to women are needed before we take this step.

On the whole it is the rights and freedoms of all citizens that are crucial in Saudi Arabia and from those the rights of women will emanate.

- Princess Basma Bint Saud Bin Abdulaziz (Current Kings niece and 2nd Kings youngest daughter)

[harmony_01]

(Original post by laughylolly)
I read this in an article the other week and thought this was a pretty good argument on why women shouldn't be able to drive YET.

- Princess Basma Bint Saud Bin Abdulaziz (One of the Kings daughters)

Good to know, how about she start informing her family to stop amassing wealth that belongs to the people. Seems to have missed that point.

[flugelr]

(Original post by bambi_eyes)
Im sorry those arguments are bs (i'm a muslim myself) and i thinks its ridiculous women can't drive.

The Islam you follow here in the UK/West is very different from the type practised in Saudi.

[levantine]

(Original post by flugelr)
The Islam you follow here in the UK/West is very different from the type practised in Saudi.

No its not. Islam is Islam. in Uk we pray 5 times a day in saudi they pray 5 times a day in Uk we worship Allah in saudi they worship Allah

[99luft Balons]

Because in Saudi Arabia, men are superior to women, almost to the point that women are kept as virtual slaves.

If it weren't for their oil, this country (Saudi Arabia) would be just another dust-covered, poverty-stricken, hell-hole run by corrupt warlords...

[frenchfries]

HERE ARE THE REASON WHY WOMEN CAN NOT DRIVE IN SAUDI ARABIA BY A SAUDI WAHABI MULLAH....


The ruling on women driving should be clear, because women driving includes a number of evils, including the following:

1 – Removal of hijab, because driving a car involves uncovering the face which is the site of fitnah and attracts the glance of men. A woman is only regarded as beautiful or ugly on the basis of her face, i.e., if it is said that she is beautiful or ugly, people only think in terms of her face. If something else is meant it must be specified, so that one would say that she has beautiful hands or beautiful hair or beautiful feet. Hence it is known that the face is the focal point. If someone were to say that a woman can drive a car without taking off her hijab, by covering her face and wearing dark glasses over her eyes, the answer to that is that this is not what really happens when women drive cars. Ask those who have seen them in other countries. Even if we assume that this could be applied initially, it would not last for long, rather the situation would soon become as it is in other countries where women drive. This is how things usually develop; they start out in an acceptable fashion then they get worse.

2 – Another evil consequence of women driving cars is that they lose their modesty, and modesty is part of faith as is narrated in a saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Modesty is the noble characteristic that befits the nature of women and protects them from being exposed to fitnah. Hence it is mentioned in a metaphorical sense (in Arabic), in the phrase “more modest than a virgin in her seclusion.” Once a woman’s modesty is lost, do not ask about her.

3 – It also leads to women going out of the house a great deal, but their homes are better for them – as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said – because those who love to drive enjoy it very much, hence you see them driving around in their cars here and there for no purpose, except to enjoy driving.

4 – You may find a divorced woman going where she wants, whenever she wants and however she wants, for whatever purpose she wants, because she is alone in her car, at any time she wants of the day or night. She may stay out until late at night. If people are complaining about this with regard to young men, then what about young women, going all over the place the length and breadth of the country, and maybe even beyond its borders.

5 – It is a means of women rebelling against their families and husbands; at the least provocation they may go out of the house and drive in the car to wherever they think they can get some peace, as happens in the case of some young men, who are able to put up with more than women.

6 – It is a cause of fitnah in many places: when stopping at the traffic lights, or at gas stations, or at inspection points, or when stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions or accidents, or if the car stalls and the woman needs help. What will her situation be in this case? Perhaps she may come across an immoral man who takes advantage of her in return for helping her, especially if her need is great to the point of urgency.

7 – When women drive it leads to overcrowding in the streets, or it deprives some young men of the opportunity to drive cars when they are more deserving of that.

8 – It causes fitnah to flourish because women – by their nature – like to make themselves look good with clothing etc. Do you not see how attached they are to fashion? Every time a new fashion appears they throw away what they have and rush to buy the new things, even if it is worse than what they have. Do you not see the adornments that they hang on their walls? In the same way – or perhaps more so – with the cars that they drive, whenever a new model appears they will give up the first for the new one.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/45880

BTW I COMPLETLY DISAGREE WITH HIM AND THINK HIS ARGUMENTS ARE WEAK.I AM A MUSLIM AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN ISLAM THAT BANS WOMEN FROM DRIVING.AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHET(PBUH) WOMEN DID RIDE CAMELS ETC

AND IN EVERY OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRY INCLUDING IRAN WOMEN CAN DRIVE....

[Lumos]

it's not so much a case of them thinking women can't drive, it's that if women could drive it would give them the personal freedom to go out alone, wherever and whenever they wanted. Considering that it's a crime in Saudi to be seen out without a male relative or your husband, it's not suprising that they also have this rule. Of course it's sexist, welcome to saudi.

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by frenchfries)
HERE ARE THE REASON WHY WOMEN CAN NOT DRIVE IN SAUDI ARABIA BY A SAUDI WAHABI MULLAH....


The ruling on women driving should be clear, because women driving includes a number of evils, including the following:

1 – Removal of hijab, because driving a car involves uncovering the face which is the site of fitnah and attracts the glance of men. A woman is only regarded as beautiful or ugly on the basis of her face, i.e., if it is said that she is beautiful or ugly, people only think in terms of her face. If something else is meant it must be specified, so that one would say that she has beautiful hands or beautiful hair or beautiful feet. Hence it is known that the face is the focal point. If someone were to say that a woman can drive a car without taking off her hijab, by covering her face and wearing dark glasses over her eyes, the answer to that is that this is not what really happens when women drive cars. Ask those who have seen them in other countries. Even if we assume that this could be applied initially, it would not last for long, rather the situation would soon become as it is in other countries where women drive. This is how things usually develop; they start out in an acceptable fashion then they get worse.

2 – Another evil consequence of women driving cars is that they lose their modesty, and modesty is part of faith as is narrated in a saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Modesty is the noble characteristic that befits the nature of women and protects them from being exposed to fitnah. Hence it is mentioned in a metaphorical sense (in Arabic), in the phrase “more modest than a virgin in her seclusion.” Once a woman’s modesty is lost, do not ask about her.

3 – It also leads to women going out of the house a great deal, but their homes are better for them – as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said – because those who love to drive enjoy it very much, hence you see them driving around in their cars here and there for no purpose, except to enjoy driving.

4 – You may find a divorced woman going where she wants, whenever she wants and however she wants, for whatever purpose she wants, because she is alone in her car, at any time she wants of the day or night. She may stay out until late at night. If people are complaining about this with regard to young men, then what about young women, going all over the place the length and breadth of the country, and maybe even beyond its borders.

5 – It is a means of women rebelling against their families and husbands; at the least provocation they may go out of the house and drive in the car to wherever they think they can get some peace, as happens in the case of some young men, who are able to put up with more than women.

6 – It is a cause of fitnah in many places: when stopping at the traffic lights, or at gas stations, or at inspection points, or when stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions or accidents, or if the car stalls and the woman needs help. What will her situation be in this case? Perhaps she may come across an immoral man who takes advantage of her in return for helping her, especially if her need is great to the point of urgency.

7 – When women drive it leads to overcrowding in the streets, or it deprives some young men of the opportunity to drive cars when they are more deserving of that.

8 – It causes fitnah to flourish because women – by their nature – like to make themselves look good with clothing etc. Do you not see how attached they are to fashion? Every time a new fashion appears they throw away what they have and rush to buy the new things, even if it is worse than what they have. Do you not see the adornments that they hang on their walls? In the same way – or perhaps more so – with the cars that they drive, whenever a new model appears they will give up the first for the new one.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/45880

BTW I COMPLETLY DISAGREE WITH HIM AND THINK HIS ARGUMENTS ARE WEAK.I AM A MUSLIM AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN ISLAM THAT BANS WOMEN FROM DRIVING.AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHET(PBUH) WOMEN DID RIDE CAMELS ETC

AND IN EVERY OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRY INCLUDING IRAN WOMEN CAN DRIVE....

I've seen that site, when I was younger I thought it could be trusted, but luckily people informed me that it isn't exactly trustworthy which I eventually saw from one question.

[Milos1989]

I would forbidden women around the world to drive, because they are horrible drivers hahah every time when I drive in the car with the women my adrenalin is rising

[De_mol]

(Original post by flugelr)
The Islam you follow here in the UK/West is very different from the type practised in Saudi.

Hm no, its exactly the same, since there is only one islam.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by frenchfries)
HERE ARE THE REASON WHY WOMEN CAN NOT DRIVE IN SAUDI ARABIA BY A SAUDI WAHABI MULLAH....


The ruling on women driving should be clear, because women driving includes a number of evils, including the following:

1 – Removal of hijab, because driving a car involves uncovering the face which is the site of fitnah and attracts the glance of men. A woman is only regarded as beautiful or ugly on the basis of her face, i.e., if it is said that she is beautiful or ugly, people only think in terms of her face. If something else is meant it must be specified, so that one would say that she has beautiful hands or beautiful hair or beautiful feet. Hence it is known that the face is the focal point. If someone were to say that a woman can drive a car without taking off her hijab, by covering her face and wearing dark glasses over her eyes, the answer to that is that this is not what really happens when women drive cars. Ask those who have seen them in other countries. Even if we assume that this could be applied initially, it would not last for long, rather the situation would soon become as it is in other countries where women drive. This is how things usually develop; they start out in an acceptable fashion then they get worse.

2 – Another evil consequence of women driving cars is that they lose their modesty, and modesty is part of faith as is narrated in a saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Modesty is the noble characteristic that befits the nature of women and protects them from being exposed to fitnah. Hence it is mentioned in a metaphorical sense (in Arabic), in the phrase “more modest than a virgin in her seclusion.” Once a woman’s modesty is lost, do not ask about her.

3 – It also leads to women going out of the house a great deal, but their homes are better for them – as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said – because those who love to drive enjoy it very much, hence you see them driving around in their cars here and there for no purpose, except to enjoy driving.

4 – You may find a divorced woman going where she wants, whenever she wants and however she wants, for whatever purpose she wants, because she is alone in her car, at any time she wants of the day or night. She may stay out until late at night. If people are complaining about this with regard to young men, then what about young women, going all over the place the length and breadth of the country, and maybe even beyond its borders.

5 – It is a means of women rebelling against their families and husbands; at the least provocation they may go out of the house and drive in the car to wherever they think they can get some peace, as happens in the case of some young men, who are able to put up with more than women.

6 – It is a cause of fitnah in many places: when stopping at the traffic lights, or at gas stations, or at inspection points, or when stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions or accidents, or if the car stalls and the woman needs help. What will her situation be in this case? Perhaps she may come across an immoral man who takes advantage of her in return for helping her, especially if her need is great to the point of urgency.

7 – When women drive it leads to overcrowding in the streets, or it deprives some young men of the opportunity to drive cars when they are more deserving of that.

8 – It causes fitnah to flourish because women – by their nature – like to make themselves look good with clothing etc. Do you not see how attached they are to fashion? Every time a new fashion appears they throw away what they have and rush to buy the new things, even if it is worse than what they have. Do you not see the adornments that they hang on their walls? In the same way – or perhaps more so – with the cars that they drive, whenever a new model appears they will give up the first for the new one.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/45880



BTW I COMPLETLY DISAGREE WITH HIM AND THINK HIS ARGUMENTS ARE WEAK.I AM A MUSLIM AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN ISLAM THAT BANS WOMEN FROM DRIVING.AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHET(PBUH) WOMEN DID RIDE CAMELS ETC

..

Women rode on camels but werent allowed to 'drive' camels

[xuchia117x]

Im not entirely sure but isin't it do to with thier culture or the law??

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by ajtiesto)
Why can't you get it through your heads different countries have different laws. I don't see Saudi Arabia moaning about the laws here. It's all this attitude about spreading the filthy western culture in these Muslim countries and taking away Islamic values.

silly opinion its more about the lack of rights in Saudi Arabia. most muslims say this isnt even islamic. you will find woman in these countries actually want more rights but still dont want western culture. so you have nothing to worry about giving them more rights and neither does the mysogynistic saudi government

[Kittythecat]

(Original post by harmony_01)
Ask the monarchy and ask Saudi women generally what their view is. I don't understand why tbh.

honestly, you are right