[New...Romantic]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
That you don't want to be perceived as slutty as being the reason you're getting so defensive? Yes he is correct. This was obvious from the start of the thread but it takes a neutral to come in at this point and get the point to hit home for you.

This isn't about you, despite you're persistent efforts to make it so, lol.

I didn't say I agreed with the post, just that it seems to sum up both points of view.

I just said it wasn't about me... And *your. I've had to stop myself doing that so many times in our discussion.

[Dark Horse]

(Original post by New...Romantic)
I didn't say I agreed with the post, just that it seems to sum up both points of view.

I just said it wasn't about me... And *your. I've had to stop myself doing that so many times in our discussion.

I guess it's harder to resist now that you're passive aggression level is rising, my friend.

And we haven't had a discussion. All we've had is you're persistent whinging and whining that you're not doing pole-dancing for any sexual reasons and it's almost as if you expect people to acknowledge it as a workout in the same mould as athletics or resistance training etc.

You feel vulnerable to a stereotype and I urge you to stop caring what people think.

[New...Romantic]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
I guess it's harder to resist now that you're passive aggression level is rising, my friend.

And we haven't had a discussion. All we've had is you're persistent whinging and whining that you're not doing pole-dancing for any sexual reasons and it's almost as if you expect people to acknowledge it as a workout in the same mould as athletics or resistance training etc.

You feel vulnerable to a stereotype and I urge you to stop caring what people think.

Oops? Well I didn't want to be accused of 'customary TSR response' #2.

So it's not as intense as athletics or whatever but yeah, I'd like people to acknowledge it as a valid form of exercise. I didn't expect that to be such an issue when I first posted in this thread and I assume the OP didn't either.

[DWC]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
I guess it's harder to resist now that you're passive aggression level is rising, my friend.

And we haven't had a discussion. All we've had is you're persistent whinging and whining that you're not doing pole-dancing for any sexual reasons and it's almost as if you expect people to acknowledge it as a workout in the same mould as athletics or resistance training etc.

You feel vulnerable to a stereotype and I urge you to stop caring what people think.

Again, there is no chance that she will stop caring about this, no more than you would stop caring if people thought you were gay because of the way you dance hahaha unless you are gay of course then i would make a new example lol.

[Dark Horse]

(Original post by New...Romantic)
Oops? Well I didn't want to be accused of 'customary TSR response' #2.

So it's not as intense as athletics or whatever but yeah, I'd like people to acknowledge it as a valid form of exercise. I didn't expect that to be such an issue when I first posted in this thread and I assume the OP didn't either.

Well I get that. Correcting minor errors in grammar and punctuation in the middle of a debate is strong evidence that you're on the back foot and are struggling to come up with something to respond with. It's no surprise you held back on it.

It is a valid form of exercise. Anything that raises the heart rate above resting level could be considered exercise. The point is that some forms of exercise are more attractive to certain groups of people than others (this is where you resorted to customary TSR response #1 remember, lol) and you seem unwilling to contest the reasons why in case you don't like the answers. I must ask why you care so much?

(Original post by DWC)
Again, there is no chance that she will stop caring about this, no more than you would stop caring if people thought you were gay because of the way you dance hahaha unless you are gay of course then i would make a new example lol.

I disagree. There is many people in the world that genuinely do not care what other people think of them. Unfortunately, my touchy little friend here isn't one of them.

[New...Romantic]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
It is a valid form of exercise. Anything that raises the heart rate above resting level could be considered exercise. The point is that some forms of exercise are more attractive to certain groups of people than others (this is where you resorted to customary TSR response #1 remember, lol) and you seem unwilling to contest the reasons why in case you don't like the answers. I must ask why you care so much?

I disagree. There is many people in the world that genuinely do not care what other people think of them. Unfortunately, my touchy little friend here isn't one of them.

We did discuss possible reasons for that, I just came up with a different possible reason. I still think that if women were wanting to exercise and tease men at the same time they'd be better doing it in a gym with men than in an all-female studio. That's where I think your argument falls down.

Why I care so much? I'm not too sure. Just stubborn probably. And phrases like 'touchy little friend' don't make me want to argue with you any less. It's not about what people think of me, it's about trying to get rid of a negative attitude to something that I enjoy doing. Although I do appreciate you saying it's valid exercise, I think a lot of people disagree with that and that's what annoys me more than anything.

[DWC]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
Well I get that. Correcting minor errors in grammar and punctuation in the middle of a debate is strong evidence that you're on the back foot and are struggling to come up with something to respond with. It's no surprise you held back on it.

It is a valid form of exercise. Anything that raises the heart rate above resting level could be considered exercise. The point is that some forms of exercise are more attractive to certain groups of people than others (this is where you resorted to customary TSR response #1 remember, lol) and you seem unwilling to contest the reasons why in case you don't like the answers. I must ask why you care so much?




I disagree. There is many people in the world that genuinely do not care what other people think of them. Unfortunately, my touchy little friend here isn't one of them.

I won't re-word what i said as i think it makes the point just fine. At the end of the day males and females are always going to defend on topics that question their prerogatives/social positon/upbringing/genetic makeup or whatever you want to call it.

I strongly disagree back. If you attack the right subject everybody will care what is thought of them. Well at least i can say many things that people have cared about whereas genuinely not cared about is near impossible!

[Dark Horse]

(Original post by DWC)
I won't re-word what i said as i think it makes the point just fine. At the end of the day males and females are always going to defend on topics that question their prerogatives/social positon/upbringing/genetic makeup or whatever you want to call it.

I strongly disagree back. If you attack the right subject everybody will care what is thought of them. Well at least i can say many things that people have cared about whereas genuinely not cared about is near impossible!

Hmm, this is an ambitous claim my friend. You're really going to speak for everybody?

[DWC]

(Original post by New...Romantic)
We did discuss possible reasons for that, I just came up with a different possible reason. I still think that if women were wanting to exercise and tease men at the same time they'd be better doing it in a gym with men than in an all-female studio. That's where I think your argument falls down.

Why I care so much? I'm not too sure. Just stubborn probably. And phrases like 'touchy little friend' don't make me want to argue with you any less. It's not about what people think of me, it's about trying to get rid of a negative attitude to something that I enjoy doing. Although I do appreciate you saying it's valid exercise, I think a lot of people disagree with that and that's what annoys me more than anything.

After the point i have made i would like to get back to more realisitic on topic points.

I think anyone who denies it as a valid form of exercise is an idiot. I mean you use your arms to pull your full body weight up and around a pole for frick sake.

I dont think it can ever be seen without the sexual attachment due to many reasons (like half naked girls geting paid to do it mainly)
and unless you r doing it for that reason then what are you worrying about? sexy is a good thing right!

Think thats all i want to say really haha

[goape]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
Hmm, this is an ambitous claim my friend. You're really going to speak for everybody?

You're doing the same with New...Romantic (though I do agree with your points).

[DWC]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
Hmm, this is an ambitous claim my friend. You're really going to speak for everybody?

Maybe not 100% but at least i could go about proving it. How do you prove that somebody really doesn't care about what is thought of them?

[pikaboo]

I wouldn't, simply because I'd be too wary about putting it on my CV, and could invest that time a bit more wisely.

[goape]

(Original post by DWC)
Maybe not 100% but at least i could go about proving it. How do you prove that somebody really doesn't care about what is thought of them?

The burden of proof on the person who makes the claim. That's why 'How do you prove that there is no God?' is not a valid question.

[DWC]

(Original post by pikaboo)
I wouldn't, simply because I'd be too wary about putting it on my CV, and could invest that time a bit more wisely.

Going back to my earlier posts when i said it was pointless, i didn't mean it literally as it is good physical workout. Maybe i should have said something like this instead :P

(Original post by goape)
The burden of proof on the person who makes the claim. That's why 'How do you prove that there is no God?' is not a valid question.

Im not sure exactly what this means but i think that is a valid question as i probably veer towards athiest :P

[goape]

(Original post by DWC)
Im not sure exactly what this means but i think that is a valid question as i probably veer towards athiest :P

When an atheist asks a theist 'Can you prove God exists?', a theist may respond 'Can you prove God doesn't exist?'. The former is a valid question since the theist is making the claim that God exists. The latter isn't valid as it is up to the person who made the claim to prove the claim is true. That's why our courts are innocent until proven guilty.

So to get back to your argument, it is up to you to prove your claim that everyone cares about what others think about them (good luck!), not for Dark Horse to prove that they do not care what others think about them (who is not making a claim).

[Persephone9]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
Yeah well a girl could start running and her endurance would be better after 2 weeks of training, she could also start lifting and she would be able to lift more weight after 2 weeks of training. I must say that I doubt she will feel as sexy as she would do for gracefully gliding around a pole and gripping it between her bare legs. Pole dancing is more sexual than many forms of fitness training.

I don't see why you're denying it, it's not like it's anything to be ashamed of. Half the reason py0lab pwned the polers in this thread is because they got so defensive about the matter.

Gracefully gliding round a pole? You've clearly never been to class :P Anyway, I find that your progression is much more tangible in pole; you go from not being able to do a move to being able to do a move. When I was running (which I stopped doing as much because of a persistent ankle injury), I was not getting the same feeling. I would either be getting very slightly faster or very slightly further, neither of which gave me the same rush. Since I've never done any serious weight training I can't comment on that, however; many of us do not have the time or financial means to be getting to the gym that often (and again, I don't really want to run alone at night) With pole, I'm getting cardio and body weight exercise in one session, and not having to spend huge amounts of time at the gym or putting myself in danger of being attacked.

I also didn't deny that pole makes me feel sexy; in fact I specifically said that pole does make me feel sexy, I just don't feel sexy as a direct result of pole, and neither is that the only nor the main reason why I do it.

(Original post by New...Romantic)
And congrats on getting Superman, I watched my friend try to get that for a few weeks and it looks so tricky. I think it's hard for people to appreciate just how difficult pole moves can be if they've never tried it.

Thankyou It is tricky, although once you've got your head around getting that bottom hand off as you turn (and a good strong side V) it gets a lot easier. Admittedly I spent a fair amount of time falling on my face before I got it!

[Dark Horse]

(Original post by Persephone9)
I also didn't deny that pole makes me feel sexy; in fact I specifically said that pole does make me feel sexy, I just don't feel sexy as a direct result of pole, and neither is that the only nor the main reason why I do it.

So pole-dancing makes you feel sexy but not the pole-dancing itself?

The rationale is becoming wilder and wilder and I'm wondering if this "discussion" is even worth it. Do whatever the hell you wanna do.

[redandstripy]

(Original post by pikaboo)
I wouldn't, simply because I'd be too wary about putting it on my CV, and could invest that time a bit more wisely.

I put pole dancing as my major form of exercise in my personal statement for University and got offers from Bristol/Leeds/Sussex/Reading.

[sil3nt_cha0s]

(Original post by redandstripy)
I put pole dancing as my major form of exercise in my personal statement for University and got offers from Bristol/Leeds/Sussex/Reading.

Correlation does not imply causation. You got your offers based on your grades, predicted grades and things you did to demonstrate interest in your subject (eg. wider reading, attending conferences etc.). They couldn't give a **** about your ECs.

To suggest that you got your offers because you do pole dancing - well, that's frankly laughable.

[redandstripy]

(Original post by sil3nt_cha0s)
Correlation does not imply causation. You got your offers based on your grades, predicted grades and things you did to demonstrate interest in your subject (eg. wider reading, attending conferences etc.). They couldn't give a **** about your ECs.

To suggest that you got your offers because you do pole dancing - well, that's frankly laughable.

Hahaa I agree suggesting that would be crazy, but that isn't what I was implying.

I actually meant that despite how people may view it I still put it on my form and it didn't sway towards a rejection i.e. i risked putting it down in the knowledge that it could cause a negative outcome. I was replying to the being weary of putting it in a CV.

I would never advise putting it down as a massive bonus since, unfortunately, it still carries heavy negative connotations.