[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by silverbolt)
Thier goals dont matter claymtser satated that christians werent terrorists. That is what i was refuting.

But they weren't Christians and they weren't terrorists. It's not a refutation in the first place.

[Claymatser]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
So you admit that your statement "Christians aren't terrorists" is false?

Really? Not endorsed by the Bible? Have you ever read the damn thing?

lool CHristian Terrorism. I don't know what you've been smoking today but can you name me any christian terrorism groups killing people in the name of Jesus?

Can you name me the last Chrsitian terrorist bombing or any Christian extremists please??? lol. ...Nope.

Yes. I have a Bible. It's full of War.

At the end of the day. When God sent JESUS..how did JESUS treat mandkind?

thats an example of the God of Christianity right there. He didn't send Jesus to slay Jews or foreigners.

try harder.

PS- why are you only being challenging of Christianty and defensive toward Islam? whats the difference here? are you a Liberal?

[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
My problem with Atheism is that they may force their ideology down people's throats. I fear a Soviet, Chinese or even Albanian replay may happen.

Sound familiar?

Are.. are you saying all atheists are communists?

[Claymatser]

(Original post by JessaminePoppy)
The topic is religion and hate, dude. And Christianity is a religion. As is Islam, right? So both can be discussed, I guess. I mean here, all religions can be discussed in relation to hatred, yep?

And I'm pretty sure you said something to the effect of Islam meaning oppression; I just wanted to point out that most religions can be to oppress... the best example I could think of was Christianity.

I'd say the biggest problem of religion is that it can blind certain people to objective reality and truths. Can you agree with that?

I think you may be blinded by PC'ness when you say Christianity is the best example of opression. in fact. your insane.

so no, i will not agree with anybody who can make a statement like that. because you may aswell believe the world is round.

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by Claymatser)
lool CHristian Terrorism. I don't know what you've been smoking today but can you name me any christian terrorism groups killing people in the name of Jesus?

Can you name me the last Chrsitian terrorist bombing or any Christian extremists please??? lol. ...Nope.

Yes. I have a Bible. It's full of War.

At the end of the day. When God sent JESUS..how did JESUS treat mandkind?

thats an example of the God of Christianity right there. He didn't send Jesus to slay Jews or foreigners.

try harder.

Timothy McVeigh? The Lord's Resistance Army? The Army of God? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA) )
The Orange Volunteers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Volunteers

Jesus treated mankind by condemning those who didn't believe in him to eternal hellfire. Not really peaceful.

[silverbolt]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
But they weren't Christians and they weren't terrorists. It's not a refutation in the first place.

what?

The IRA are almost exclusively catholic - that makes them Christians

And the Omagh bombings (to name one such act) werent acts of terrorism? Bombs in schools werent acts of terrorism?

[Claymatser]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
Timothy McVeigh? The Lord's Resistance Army? The Army of God? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA) )
The Orange Volunteers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Volunteers

Jesus treated mankind by condemning those who didn't believe in him to eternal hellfire. Not really peaceful.

Yes. JESUS did not live peacefully. he did not stop people from being stoned and never taught how man should love and forgive. he never done any of that (sarc)

JESUS did not create hell. Hell is not ordained or instructed by JESUS.

another thing. no where in the bible does it say non believrs go to hell. thats more Liberal Propaganda. yet again more assumptions being passed off as facts.

God judges man by his 'works' not by his faith. the fact you do not know means you've done nothing but believe in your own assumptions.

[Claymatser]

(Original post by silverbolt)
what?

The IRA are almost exclusively catholic - that makes them Christians

And the Omagh bombings (to name one such act) werent acts of terrorism? Bombs in schools werent acts of terrorism?

IRA has nothing to do with religion. you wish it did to make Islam seem squeaky clean.

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by silverbolt)
what?

The IRA are almost exclusively catholic - that makes them Christians

And the Omagh bombings (to name one such act) werent acts of terrorism? Bombs in schools werent acts of terrorism?

The RIRA (Real IRA) is not the IRA. They are a splinter group with no affiliation to the official IRA, who were secularists and communists, NOT Christians.

[Claymatser]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
Timothy McVeigh? The Lord's Resistance Army? The Army of God? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA) )
The Orange Volunteers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Volunteers

Jesus treated mankind by condemning those who didn't believe in him to eternal hellfire. Not really peaceful.

3 groups who nobodys ever heard of because they're so minor and irrelevent.

Can only name 1 Extremist Aswell.

thats a poor return for an argument which you lost before if began.

[JessaminePoppy]

(Original post by Claymatser)
I think you may be blinded by PC'ness when you say Christianity is the best example of opression. in fact. your insane.

so no, i will not agree with anybody who can make a statement like that. because you may aswell believe the world is round.

Hm. I guess I did word that very badly, but you're being a bit flippant and reading very fast. I just think that there are examples of oppression in most religions, not just Islam. I don't actually think any religion is the best example of oppression... I guess there are just examples, some more or less pertinent to certain trains of thought.

I meant that the Christian examples of oppression were those I knew best

So you disagree with the statement "A problem of religion is its potential of blinding certain people to objective reality and truths."?

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by Claymatser)
Yes. JESUS did not live peacefully. he did not stop people from being stoned and never taught how man should love and forgive. he never done any of that (sarc)

JESUS did not create hell. Hell is not ordained or instructed by JESUS.

another thing. no where in the bible does it say non believrs go to hell. thats more Liberal Propaganda. yet again more assumptions being passed off as facts.

God judges man by his 'works' not by his faith. the fact you do not know means you've done nothing but believe in your own assumptions.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Good enough?

Or:

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Not very peaceful.

Or Matthew 11:20-24
11:20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
11:21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
11:22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Lovely!

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by Claymatser)
3 groups who nobodys ever heard of because they're so minor and irrelevent.

Can only name 1 Extremist Aswell.

thats a poor return for an argument which you lost before if began.

If you've never heard of Timothy McVeigh, the LRA or the abortion bombers in the US you've been living under a rock and have nothing but your own ignorance to blame. The Orange Volunteers are more obscure, granted, but these groups are very well known and influential. The leader of the LRA is number one on the International Human Rights court's list of human rights abusers.

[Claymatser]

(Original post by JessaminePoppy)
Hm. I guess I did word that very badly, but you're being a bit flippant and reading very fast. I just think that there are examples of oppression in most religions, not just Islam. I don't actually think any religion is the best example of oppression... I guess there are just examples, some more or less pertinent to certain trains of thought.

I meant that the Christian examples of oppression were those I knew best

So you disagree with the statement "A problem of religion is its potential of blinding certain people to objective reality and truths."?

The same with PC'ness. it stops people from even making even the most basic assumptions incase somebody is offended.

It depends what religion it is and whats being said.

take out religion and insert Islam and then we'll have an agreement. Hinduism, Sikhism and all other religions are non violent. believing in those religions is not a 'problem' or 'dangerous'

PC'ness on the other hand IS.

[Besakt]

(Original post by Claymatser)
Yes. JESUS did not live peacefully. he did not stop people from being stoned and never taught how man should love and forgive. he never done any of that (sarc)

JESUS did not create hell. Hell is not ordained or instructed by JESUS.

another thing. no where in the bible does it say non believrs go to hell. thats more Liberal Propaganda. yet again more assumptions being passed off as facts.

God judges man by his 'works' not by his faith. the fact you do not know means you've done nothing but believe in your own assumptions.

Check the old testament.

[SaintSoldier]

(Original post by Claymatser)
Bukhari:V4B52N182-4 "Allah's Apostle invoked evil upon the infidels, saying, 'O Allah! The revealer of the Holy Book, defeat these people and shake them. Fill the infidels' houses and graves with fire.'"

It may not say that in the Bible, but historically Christians are just as guilty of that as Muslims.

Possibly the only two religions that have never been spread by force/coercion/bribary are Sikhism and Buddhism.

[SaintSoldier]

(Original post by Claymatser)
JESUS did not create hell. Hell is not ordained or instructed by JESUS.

But I thought Jesus was God?

[Claymatser]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Good enough?

Or:

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Not very peaceful.

Or Matthew 11:20-24
11:20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
11:21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
11:22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Lovely!

No evidence of murder here. i can pull out countless of quotes and stories of the good Jesus has done.

i can say better about JESUS THEN you can say WORSE. fact.

your qoutes are not disturbing or violent at all. i'm confused as to how they're relevent at all.

Jesus died on the cross for OUR SINS! end.of.story!

[Claymatser]

(Original post by Besakt)
Check the old testament.

'Old'

[Claymatser]

(Original post by SaintSoldier)
It may not say that in the Bible, but historically Christians are just as guilty of that as Muslims.

Possibly the only two religions that have never been spread by force/coercion/bribary are Sikhism and Buddhism.

where talking about todays realitys??. i realise you can;t do that!

why go back to the past? cause the past is the only thing you can use!