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Discuss religious, spiritual, and theological issues concerning Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religion.
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Re: religion and hateYou're a bigot and an idiot and there is no further use in engaging you in discussion. I hope you choke on your holy Jesus cookie.(Original post by Claymatser)
No evidence of murder here. i can pull out countless of quotes and stories of the good Jesus has done.
i can say better about JESUS THEN you can say WORSE. fact.
your qoutes are not disturbing or violent at all. i'm confused as to how they're relevent at all.
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Re: religion and hateresorting to abuse is the most classless way to admit you've lost the battle.(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
You're a bigot and an idiot and there is no further use in engaging you in discussion. I hope you choke on your holy Jesus cookie.
i wont abuse you. as i don't have to resort to your level.
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Re: religion and hateDoesn't mean it is irrelevant.(Original post by Claymatser)
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Re: religion and hateFunny. I never thought I was a particularly politically correct person.(Original post by Claymatser)
The same with PC'ness. it stops people from even making even the most basic assumptions incase somebody is offended.
It depends what religion it is and whats being said.
take out religion and insert Islam and then we'll have an agreement. Hinduism, Sikhism and all other religions are non violent. believing in those religions is not a 'problem' or 'dangerous'
PC'ness on the other hand IS.
I know it does cover up stuff that seems kind of ridiculous (I have a friend who's blind and hates being referred to as "visually impaired").
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Re: religion and hateAnd intellectual dishonesty is the most classless way to avoid having the battle in the first place.(Original post by Claymatser)
resorting to abuse is the most classless way to admit you've lost the battle.
i wont abuse you. as i don't have to resort to your level.
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Re: religion and hateNo. It's just an example of what Atheists typically say about religious people, I just wanted to prove it's not exclusive.(Original post by Addzter)
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Re: religion and hateOh please thats splitting hairs and you know it, the IRA of the 1970s for instance were the IRA. They commited acts of terrorism. The IRA were catholics thus making them christians. I agree thier motives were not religious in nature in terms of freedom from Britian but thier violence toward protestant (and vice versa) was most certainly motivated by religious idealolgy (though whether you call is terrorism is another matter)(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
The RIRA (Real IRA) is not the IRA. They are a splinter group with no affiliation to the official IRA, who were secularists and communists, NOT Christians.
The RIRA were disavowed but only after the massive outcry of the bombings (i remember i was living in Ireland at the time) killed thier image before it even got off the ground. Sinn Fien and the IRA knew that to even give a smidgen of support for what they did would have crippled them politcally and otherwise.
You said Christians were not terrorists wheras the IRA (a terrorist group) were catholics therefore christians therefore terrorists. Now your backtracking. As an Irishman who grew up knowing the troubles (albiet the end of them in the 1990s/2000s) i will always afirm that the catholic IRA committed acts of terrorism thus making them terrorists.(Original post by Claymatser)
IRA has nothing to do with religion. you wish it did to make Islam seem squeaky clean.
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Re: religion and hateUrm Hitler took a country that was crippled by the treaty of Versailles to such a point it almost medieval and turned them into a super power able to take on the world.(Original post by Claymatser)
No evidence of murder here. i can pull out countless of quotes and stories of the good Jesus has done.
He did terrible things but he did great things as well. Does it excuse the fact he led the world in a world war that saw the death of millions? -
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Re: religion and hateAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.(Original post by Perseveranze)
No. It's just an example of what Atheists typically say about religious people, I just wanted to prove it's not exclusive.
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Re: religion and hateI think people hate other religions/atheists because by definition only one religion can be true. there can only be one spiritual reality. the fact that people are convinced that their religion's version of the spiritual reality is true poses a threat to other people, as it casts doubt on the truth of their religion.(Original post by celvandamn)
why do people of different religions hate each other so much? and what have they got against atheists ?
Ignorance and wrong assumptions about religions also factors in i think. -
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Re: religion and hateWell, I guess you can hold on to that old canard if you want to.(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Fundementalist atheist?! Thats a contradiction in terms. -
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Re: religion and hateAtheism is not a belief system or religion, so by definition you can not be a fundementalist atheist. There is no atheist bible or atheist commandments or morals, atheists simply do not believe in god.(Original post by dreiviergrenadier)
Well, I guess you can hold on to that old canard if you want to. -
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Re: religion and hateLike I said, old canard.(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Atheism is not a belief system or religion, so by definition you can not be a fundementalist atheist. There is no atheist bible or atheist commandments or morals, atheists simply do not believe in god. -
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Re: religion and hateNo you are wrong, let me break it down for you(Original post by dreiviergrenadier)
Like I said, old canard.
Theist: Belief in a supernatural deity with out evidence => superstitious and religious
A- (prefix), meaning lack of or 'not'.
Atheist: Lack of belief in supernatural deity, lack of that superstition, lack of that religion.
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Re: religion and hateThere are plenty of wars where Christian blessing has been afforded to - the Norman invasion of England, the Crusades and the Spanish Armada. Christianity permits the use of slavery. And you forgot the douchebags at Westboro Baptist Church.(Original post by Claymatser)
the Bible doesn't preach that. Was Jesus a murderer? no, Muhammad was. He also married a 6 year old child and encouraged Jihad and hatred to Kaffirs. Muhammad constantly used the term 'kaffir'.
Muhammad even owned slaves himself.
Christianity is peacefull. We do not murder or incite hatred in Church. We do not kill people for speaking badly about our religion. We do not riot when something does not go our way.
Christians in Egypt are killed and persecuted. they're not treated equally at all.
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Re: religion and hateWhat are you, 5? Even if I accept your definition (btw, obsessive literalism about the meaning of words is completely unwarranted), it still does not follow that one cannot be a fundamentalist atheist. Maybe you should try giving me a cogent, non-arbitrary definition of fundamentalism (other than its original, non-pejorative meaning) that will include the religious, but exclude the irreligious.(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
No you are wrong, let me break it down for you
Theist: Belief in a supernatural deity with out evidence => superstitious and religious
A- (prefix), meaning lack of or 'not'.
Atheist: Lack of belief in supernatural deity, lack of that superstition, lack of that religion.
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Re: religion and hateReally? Accepting the literal definition of words? What IS the world coming too?(Original post by dreiviergrenadier)
What are you, 5? Even if I accept your definition (btw, obsessive literalism about the meaning of words is completely unwarranted), it still does not follow that one cannot be a fundamentalist atheist. Maybe you should try giving me a cogent, non-arbitrary definition of fundamentalism (other than its original, non-pejorative meaning) that will include the religious, but exclude the irreligious.
And obviously you cannot be fundamentalist if you are irreligious, no more than you can have a hair style without hair.
Oxford english dictionary: "a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture:"
That is the Definition of fundementalist, but since you don't like definitions, excuse me while I cow been comment but apple feel cornet. -
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Re: religion and hateHmm. Clearly 5 was an overstatement. I was talking about over-literalism in the construction of word meanings, because the meaning of words depends upon how they are used in society. And that's even if your fairly contentious construction of the word is valid.(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Really? Accepting the literal definition of words? What IS the world coming too?
And obviously you cannot be fundamentalist if you are irreligious, no more than you can have a hair style without hair.
Oxford english dictionary: "a form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture:"
That is the Definition of fundementalist, but since you don't like definitions, excuse me while I cow been comment but apple feel cornet.
As for your definition, that's clearly not fully how the word is used. If you just mean a particular method of interpretation, then it loses its pejorative connotation. Besides, you seem to have overlooked the myraid of other definitions out there, including the following:
Political fundamentalism doesn't have to be religious, does it? So clearly, you don't seem to be in accord with modern language use.A movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism> -
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Re: religion and hateYou really should have thought this through, do you have any idea how dictionaries work? They are updated regularly to include the most up to date meaning in society. This Crap about me over inteprating a literal definition is just you refusing to admit you are wrong, I gave you the definition, atheism cannot possibly fit into that. Get over it. Words are supposed to be taken literally, otherwise everyone would have their own personal language which would be moronic.(Original post by dreiviergrenadier)
Hmm. Clearly 5 was an overstatement. I was talking about over-literalism in the construction of word meanings, because the meaning of words depends upon how they are used in society. And that's even if your fairly contentious construction of the word is valid.
As for your definition, that's clearly not fully how the word is used. If you just mean a particular method of interpretation, then it loses its pejorative connotation. Besides, you seem to have overlooked the myraid of other definitions out there, including the following:
Political fundamentalism doesn't have to be religious, does it? So clearly, you don't seem to be in accord with modern language use.
And your later definition I also accept, and it is concordant with what I have just said because there are no 'atheist values' or 'atheist doctrines' because atheism is a default lack of belief in a deity, what you are saying is ridicolous, by your logic EVERYONE is a fundementalist because everyone doesnt believes in something.
Which would make me an
Apixie Fundementalist
Aunicorn Fundementalist
AFSM Fundementalist
Aelf Fundementalist
Do you see now how insane this is
Atheism is not a belief system, it is the complete opposite.
