B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012
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Re: B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012I don't know why people would squabble over pay if they were getting it fairly, which is the ultimate point of this Bill - it doesn't apply to performance-related bonuses, which could cause tension (even though lots of companies already publicise them to spark competition!).(Original post by toronto353)
I'm abstaining. I like the idea of transparency, but it's going to lead to arguments about pay which will lead to a less happy and therefore less productive workforce.
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Re: B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012The current secretive system allows for discrimination to be hidden, which is why we still have ridiculous pay gaps between men and women - employers in the wrong cannot be held to account by their employees. Also, is there anything inherently damaging about making pay marginally more public?(Original post by Smack)
Um, why is it anyone else's business what someone earns?Last edited by JPKC; 15-04-2012 at 19:50. -
Re: B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012Source that we still have pay gaps between men and women, and again, why is it anyone else's business what someone earns?(Original post by JPKC)
The current secretive system allows for discrimination to be hidden, which is why we still have ridiculous pay gaps between men and women - employers in the wrong cannot be held to account by their employees. Also, is there anything inherently damaging about making pay marginally more public? -
Re: B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012Well it's not their sole prerogative at the moment - all colleagues above them in the employment hierarchy will be aware, as will human resources departments. Also, the taxman, the bank, etc. Not to mention that there's nothing actually bad about pay being more open - it won't create tension if everyone's being paid fairly, remember, this does not include performance related bonuses.(Original post by cl_steele)
Whilst i like to the idea of transparency within the company i think its infringing a bit to much on someones right to privacy within the work place, it should be their sole prerogative who knows their pay slip so that being said a no from me. -
Re: B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012I've provided links in the Notes. I could find more if you really actually aren't aware of this already.(Original post by Smack)
Source that we still have pay gaps between men and women, and again, why is it anyone else's business what someone earns?
Payment for work is fundamentally a social contract between more than two people so already it's not private. What you're asking is why should it be less private, my answer is that hiding pay is the main facilitator for employers to incorporate irrational discrimination in their payroll. If you have some argument for keeping salary/wage secret then please I'm all ears. -
Re: B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012sorry i should have been far more clear i meant besides the people who have to know, a need to know basis as it were and bob from down the corridor, for instance, has no need to know does he?(Original post by JPKC)
Well it's not their sole prerogative at the moment - all colleagues above them in the employment hierarchy will be aware, as will human resources departments. Also, the taxman, the bank, etc. Not to mention that there's nothing actually bad about pay being more open - it won't create tension if everyone's being paid fairly, remember, this does not include performance related bonuses.
i mean im all for fair pay and all but i am personally of the opinion that a harmonisation of pay packets for roles within companies would be more of the way to go such as all people employed doing role 'y' will be payed 'x' amount. disregarding performance, seniority, age etc. etc. -
Re: B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012Has anyone actually done proper research into this area, taking into account differences in hours worked, qualifications, experience and performance? I haven't seen any - all that I've seen is that women earn X% less than men. Which is an utterly useless statement to make...(Original post by JPKC)
I've provided links in the Notes. I could find more if you really actually aren't aware of this already.
Sorry, but who the hell else is involved apart from the employer and employee in an employment contract?Payment for work is fundamentally a social contract between more than two people so already it's not private. What you're asking is why should it be less private, my answer is that hiding pay is the main facilitator for employers to incorporate irrational discrimination in their payroll. If you have some argument for keeping salary/wage secret then please I'm all ears. -
Re: B430 - Fair Pay Bill 2012Well you said yourself that you can see the merit of fair pay, having a reasonable level of pay disclosure makes fair pay achievable in companies where at the moment all pay is hidden without due reason. This Bill will serve as an incentive for companies to harmonise pay between men/women in the same roles, though it doesn't at all affect payment based on performance and experience - these are both factors that I believe an employer should be able to take into account.(Original post by cl_steele)
sorry i should have been far more clear i meant besides the people who have to know, a need to know basis as it were and bob from down the corridor, for instance, has no need to know does he?
i mean im all for fair pay and all but i am personally of the opinion that a harmonisation of pay packets for roles within companies would be more of the way to go such as all people employed doing role 'y' will be payed 'x' amount. disregarding performance, seniority, age etc. etc.
