[Bonged.]

(Original post by Tudball)
That's the problem, though. It's all about "may".

Some British folk might be rather adept as queuing, but others might be gits who shove people out of the way - are they less British because of it?

Some British folk have a self-depreciating form of humour, but others might find putting themselves down an affront - are they less British because of it?

It sounds like any deviation from the standard "English" (no less) stereotype is a deviation from being British.

I don't enjoy watching the Premier League - am I less British because of it?

They aren't acting British.

Not really, but they don't have a british sense of humour if so.

These deviations could not exist if there was no mainstream culture to deviate from.

No you just don't like football. I'm not suggesting that we have britishness police. lol. I'm suggesting that there is such a thing as English culture, that it is historically evident that it has existed. This is not a revelation, surely?

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Bonged.)
They aren't acting British.

They are not conforming to the traits you identify as British, and are therefore culturally differentiated? Or are you now going to tell me they are of the same culture?

[cl_steele]

(Original post by The_Last_Melon)
It seems they're not approaching it at all which is obviously foolish. Multiculturalism is the way forward even if it's painful to start with.

and what makes you say that...?

[Bonged.]

(Original post by whyumadtho)
They are not conforming to the traits you identify as British, and are therefore culturally differentiated? Or are you now going to tell me they are of the same culture?

That are widely accepted to be. Makes a big difference.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Bonged.)
That are widely accepted to be. Makes a big difference.

Can you really identify many people who are "100% culturally British"? What about the people who wait in queues but do not have a dry wit, or vice-versa?

Okay, everyone can identify a stereotype, but that doesn't suggest the stereotype is accurate. Argumentum ad populum. Now can you answer my questions?

[Bonged.]

(Original post by whyumadtho)
Can you really identify many people who are "100% culturally British"? What about the people who wait in queues but do not have a dry wit, or vice-versa?

Okay, everyone can identify a stereotype, but that doesn't suggest the stereotype is accurate. Argumentum ad populum. Now can you answer my questions?

No, nor do I feel the need to.

Actually, alot of stereotypes are based in truth.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Bonged.)
No, nor do I feel the need to.

Pssst. You can't.

Actually, alot of stereotypes are based in truth.

Stereotypes are predicated on the individuals who are the most represented in mass media, and then a trait of that person is selected and applied to everyone else who possesses that trait, regardless of whether they are connected in any way, shape or form.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by whyumadtho)
Pssst. You can't.

Stereotypes are predicated on the individuals who are the most represented in mass media, and then a trait of that person is selected and applied to everyone else who possesses that trait, regardless of whether they are connected in any way, shape or form.

Not in dispute.

Actually, yes they are based on truth. I can't think of a stereotype that isn't rooted in truth. Can you?

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Bonged.)
Not in dispute.

Actually, yes they are based on truth. I can't think of a stereotype that isn't rooted in truth. Can you?

All of them, seeing as any suggestion that there is a necessary psychological trait from the possession of an incidental, inconsequential one is invalid.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by whyumadtho)
All of them, seeing as any suggestion that there is a necessary psychological trait from the possession of an incidental, inconsequential one is invalid.

Every stereotype is not true in any sense? Hmm. No.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Bonged.)
Every stereotype is not true in any sense? Hmm. No.

Which ones are true?

[Bonged.]

(Original post by whyumadtho)
Which ones are true?

I'm not sure I can legally say.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Bonged.)
I'm not sure I can legally say.

You should be a politician.

[fire sale]

I think as others have said every culture is unique and what works for the Japanese may not work for us. There may be elements of their approach we can learn from for sure in terms of not giving immigrants too easy a ride and raising the bar for those who wish to settle in Britain. That'd reduce the levels of (legal) immigration immediately.

I think from many posts here (including OP) there is an under/overcurrent of people being worried about the potential loss or minoritisation of the British (caucasian) race. As such I'd like to suggest........(this is culled from another post I made)

banning, or severely curtailing non white immigration into the UK.

My proposition is based on and only on the principle of preserving biodiversity; it is scientific one and has no cultural or sociological basis. I do not call for the expulsion of existing non white communities, or prohibition if interracial relationships of any sort. A healthly, burgeoning even, minority of just under ~10% non whites could conceivably continue to exist.


I remember seeing about some study ages ago on QI that proved that the laws of genetics mean that at this ratio (9:1 in favour of the host race), the indigenous race's genetic makeup, remain basically intact over time, in a closed system.

So at this ratio of white to non white, the indigenous white race of the UK should remain in good shape, and we can continue to have a pretty multicultural society if people desire it. If people want, a level of NW immigration can continue to keep this ~10% "topped up".



Given current rates of non white immigration into the UK, I think most white races in the UK will be nearly extinct in about 100 years, which is bad. I don't want the indigenous caucasian race of the UK to go extinct any more than I want the Mongolians or Ivorians to go extinct. We weep when native American tribes die out*, and we mourn the loss of diversity in the animal world. I guess my proposal is predicated on preserving the diversity of the entire human race, and could just as easily apply to many other countries, maybe even Europe as a whole. Let me reiterate that there is no cultural element to this; I accept that culture is a constantly evolving thing, changing due to the inflow of ideas from outside, and this can often be a good thing. I seek not to return the UK to some plastic, static, 1950s ideal.


*Funnily enough white people will be a minority in the US within 30 years according to the Guardian.

[withoutwax1111]

I thought this was going to pop up with Anders Breivik saying that he believed Japan and South Korea were ideal states, as they had "taken a stand against multiculturalism and Marxism in the 1970s". You know there's something wrong with your country when an extremist mass murderer likes what you're doing. Personally I think japan is quite conservative, the politicians are shockingly racist but they are getting away with it. for example Shintaro Ishihara who is the governor of Tokyo said in 2006 that "Roppongi is now virtually a foreign neighborhood. Africans — I don't mean African-Americans — who don't speak English are there doing who knows what. This is leading to new forms of crime such as car theft. We should be letting in people who are intelligent." Can you imagine Boris Johnson daring to say something like that? But then again, you do have nationalist politicians in every country, maybe this does not reflect the views of ordinary Japanese people.

[Chaofan88]

I really don't understand the problem with multiculturalism. Surely what we should be focusing on integration. British culture is deeply divided, regardless of more recently imported cultural divides. Even since the 16th century, many a writer, politician and artist has exposed how British culture is torn by its class system. British culture has certainly not been for the past few hundred years, homogeneous. Particular culture and ethnicity should not be exclusive entities and instead, integration should be imperative to create a more cohesive society. To all of you saying we should keep our borders closed, think of the millions of emigrating brits (and brutal colonial forefathers). And to those who believe there is truth in every (racial) stereotype. That truth only exists as a product of a lack of integration. I'm mixed race, female, single-parent family and bisexual but culturally, am stereotypically 'white' middle class (generally a high achiever, enjoys opera, violin, art, culture, offer from Oxford uni etc) and as a fully integrated member of society, I can't see how I'm damaging British culture.

[Notethis]

(Original post by withoutwax1111)
I thought this was going to pop up with Anders Breivik saying that he believed Japan and South Korea were ideal states, as they had "taken a stand against multiculturalism and Marxism in the 1970s". You know there's something wrong with your country when an extremist mass murderer likes what you're doing. Personally I think japan is quite conservative, the politicians are shockingly racist but they are getting away with it. for example Shintaro Ishihara who is the governor of Tokyo said in 2006 that "Roppongi is now virtually a foreign neighborhood. Africans — I don't mean African-Americans — who don't speak English are there doing who knows what. This is leading to new forms of crime such as car theft. We should be letting in people who are intelligent." Can you imagine Boris Johnson daring to say something like that? But then again, you do have nationalist politicians in every country, maybe this does not reflect the views of ordinary Japanese people.

So there isn't a higher incidence of car theft in Roppongi since increased African immigration?

[Jimbo1234]

(Original post by MTR_10)
What do you think about the Japanese policies towards immigration and generally the ethnic mix in Japan? Is it racist? Elitist? Or a model for sustainable population planning and society - bearing in mind Japan has the longest life expectancy in the world and the second lowest homicide rate along with low crime rates in general.

According to Wikipedia

Ethnic groups
98.5% Japanese,
0.5% Korean,
0.4% Chinese,
0.6% other

Seems like a plan that works thus a pretty good idea.

(Original post by whyumadtho)
Which ones are true?

In general, many Germans can lack a sense of humour and are efficient, Africans can be more aggressive, Chinese are hard working, and Americans have a sheltered view of the world.

Now just remember that stereotype means a generalisation, not a perfect description. Now seeing that people from the same country will be subject to the same culture, thus similar upbringing means that it is quite plausible for people of the same nationality to act in a very similar manner.

[xXxiKillxXx]

The thing is, its too late to change to Japan's style..

There are millions of immigrants in this country, 1st, 2nd , 3rd generations (and so on). What do you want to do to them?

[Bonged.]

(Original post by Chaofan88)
I really don't understand the problem with multiculturalism. Surely what we should be focusing on integration. British culture is deeply divided, regardless of more recently imported cultural divides. Even since the 16th century, many a writer, politician and artist has exposed how British culture is torn by its class system. British culture has certainly not been for the past few hundred years, homogeneous. Particular culture and ethnicity should not be exclusive entities and instead, integration should be imperative to create a more cohesive society. To all of you saying we should keep our borders closed, think of the millions of emigrating brits (and brutal colonial forefathers). And to those who believe there is truth in every (racial) stereotype. That truth only exists as a product of a lack of integration. I'm mixed race, female, single-parent family and bisexual but culturally, am stereotypically 'white' middle class (generally a high achiever, enjoys opera, violin, art, culture, offer from Oxford uni etc) and as a fully integrated member of society, I can't see how I'm damaging British culture.

Quite, lets not make it more divided.

If we are to scorn mainstream british culture, what is there to integrate into?

Why would I think of that? Is mass immigration revenge on the British people for empire?

Who says you are? If you follow English culture you are to be seen as English.