[Bonged.]

(Original post by stac4321)
Changes in language are natural and too be expected. Standard are not 'declining' but evolving. Everything evolves, including languages and culture.

As long as the point can be communicated, language serves it purpose.

What did you think happenned before the dictionary was written? They was no official 'right' way of spelling something, so people spelt it how they wanted to and how it would best reflect the crux of what they were saying. Some of the most wonderful, beautiful poetry is written in what you would call 'shamefull' language... However as I suspect you are a disgruntled, pretentious adolescent with nothing better to do, I would suggest you pull yourself together and get over it- you're not fighting for the cause, there is no cause and you're being narrow minded and pathetic.

haha awesome. I want to see some beautiful poetry containing the words wastegash and mandem and bustin' sticks. Could I see some?

[Foo.mp3]

(Original post by blu tack)
Or is she saying it 'right' the other three times that she says it?

Quite possibly

(Original post by blu tack)
And I'd defy you to find any native English speaker who doesn't understand 'labA' for labour (not that she really said that)

For the upteenth time this issue does not merely concern speech that is not easily understood

(Original post by QI Elf)
Many people, including yourself, speak as if there has been a pinnacle of our langauge

Quote me where I've asserted that?

Yet another person seeking to ridicule/misrepresent the OP rather than deal with the bread and butter of the thread

(Original post by QI Elf)
You want to know my background? Degree educated, white middle class, privately educated. Not that it means anything.

You do yourself, and those who have invested in your education, a disservice by demonstrating poor quality argumentation by deviating as per the above

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
Bun all the haters, real talk! Inshallah the mandem buss slugs at you wasteman kmrct!

(Original post by languagelover)
^^Read!

This is what we'll end up with if language continues to 'evolve' (read: revolve) at its present rate, Insha'Allah

(Original post by MovieMoments)
I don't think the BBC would do that anyway. They are very much the ultimate in the stereotype of Britishness

Precisely what I thought, until things like Rastamouse and now News reports like this came along. I'm afraid that using shortened endings to words like dropping 'T' sounds and changing 'er' sounds to 'a' sounds is just one step down the slippery slope to people talking precisely in the manner that I indicated in that passage:

Wud yoo be happy den if dey went da whole hog an started talkin like dis on da BBC?

(Original post by dgeorge)
(Really, read Chaucer)

Pretty much the only time you ever see the name Chaucer pop up on here: pseudo-intellectual cites for effect

Again tangential, no-one is arguing that dialects don't evolve over time..

(Original post by dgeorge)
To imply that one dialect, simply because it is "standard" is somehow "better" than another dialect, is extremely misguided. One dialect, whether from Liverpool, Cornwall, or Jamaica is not "better" than another

The merits are relative to the setting. For example, I think the scouse dialect suits comedy well, or Jamaican suits more laid back ting an ting, Scottish suits urgent, instructive language, and so on..

My contention primarily concerns BBC News and settings in which proper English would be most welcome e.g. formal situations/day to day speech between strangers, and particularly young people talking to older people or those in positions of authority. The winder issue is not so much a dialect one as making a decent effort - most of us are capable of pronouncing things properly with little effort, whevever we're from

(Original post by dgeorge)
If you were to say "the declining standard of English spoken by on air presenters" then that would be a totally different story

It's indicative of wider, malevolent trends of slackening, as per the above

(Original post by stac4321)
As long as the point can be communicated, language serves it purpose

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(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Once again, my contention is not necessarily with ease of comprehension..

Wud yoo be happy den if dey went da whole hog an started talkin like dis on da BBC?

It's in entirely the same vein, and still perfectly discernible, but I would ****ing hope not

[Bellissima]

(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Once again, my contention is not necessarily with ease of comprehension..

Wud yoo be happy den if dey went da whole hog an started talkin like dis on da BBC?

It's in entirely the same vein, and still perfectly discernible, but I would ****ing hope not

i don't think that's very easy to understand though... i think that's extreme.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by Bellissima)
i don't think that's very easy to understand though... i think that's extreme.

datz wot it soundz lahk doe.

[dgeorge]

(Original post by Foo.mp3)
Quite possibly

For the upteenth time this issue does not merely concern speech that is not easily understood

Quote me where I've asserted that?

Yet another person seeking to ridicule/misrepresent the OP rather than deal with the bread and butter of the thread

You do yourself, and those who have invested in your education, a disservice by demonstrating poor quality argumentation by deviating as per the above

This is what we'll end up with if language continues to 'evolve' (read: revolve) at its present rate, Insha'Allah

Precisely what I thought, until things like Rastamouse and now News reports like this came along. I'm afraid that using shortened endings to words like dropping 'T' sounds and changing 'er' sounds to 'a' sounds is just one step down the slippery slope to people talking precisely in the manner that I indicated in that passage:

Wud yoo be happy den if dey went da whole hog an started talkin like dis on da BBC?

Pretty much the only time you ever see the name Chaucer pop up on here: pseudo-intellectual cites for effect

Again tangential, no-one is arguing that dialects don't evolve over time..

The merits are relative to the setting. For example, I think the scouse dialect suits comedy well, or Jamaican suits more laid back ting an ting, Scottish suits urgent, instructive language, and so on..

My contention primarily concerns BBC News and settings in which proper English would be most welcome e.g. formal situations/day to day speech between strangers, and particularly young people talking to older people or those in positions of authority. The winder issue is not so much a dialect one as making a decent effort - most of us are capable of pronouncing things properly with little effort, whevever we're from

It's indicative of wider, malevolent trends of slackening, as per the above

You should, as I said earlier, phrase you issue differently.

As I said, the general declining trends of the use of "standard" English AMONG THE GENERAL POPULATION

and the general declining trends of the use of "standard" english IN THE MEDIA

are two totally different and separate topics. While I agree with you that the SETTING renders one more relevant than another, this is not how you framed the issue.

[The Lyceum]

(Original post by Foo.mp3)

Standards, variable/subject specific. The absolute standard in select regions remains good, but, unfortunately, across most areas relative standards are markedly in decline. Capeesh?

I have no problem with the incorporation of neutral colloquial terminology here and there, I would just prefer not to hear my language bastardised/reduced to shorthand modes of speech, problem?

At what point did I claim to be either? As for being a pretentious brat, you don’t know me from Adam son and the term relates to minors, whereas I am a 27 year old thanks

I'll bite. Firstly, Capisce. I'm pretty sure any intelligent person would object to the way you're "ruining" Italian there in the same manner you protest how the
"yoof" are bastardising "your" language.

That's another thing, "your language" the language is spoken by several million people, what gives you the right to arbitrate? On what criteria? solely on what you feel is correct? Your title already demonstrates your poor grasp of the tongue, your following posts serve only to reinforce this perception.

Yes, by you're own admission you're not a linguist, what then gives you the balls to be so damn sure? And why, by the Queen's hairy ball sack, do you honestly think being 27 when coming across as a self important pseudo-intellectual uninformed brat is a good thing?

Feel free to re-iterate your nonsense, strewn with poorly spelled Italicisms, misc speak like "Problem?" and ample use of the Borat emoticon once more.

P.S: If I annoy you that much, feel free to write a letter about it.

[Foo.mp3]

(Original post by Bonged.)
datz wot it soundz lahk doe.

innit doe. 'llow dat on da BBC fam

(Original post by dgeorge)
As I said, the general declining trends of the use of "standard" English AMONG THE GENERAL POPULATION

and the general declining trends of the use of "standard" english IN THE MEDIA

are two totally different and separate topics

You don't see how the media can be both a social barometer and serve as to perpetuate/further malevolent trends e.g. self-centric, consumer-centric/materialist, nihilistic/gangster, slack 'culture'?

[barnetlad]

I am more disappointed by the Americanisation of our language.

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by Foo.mp3)
innit doe. 'llow dat on da BBC fam

You don't see how the media can be both a social barometer and serve as to perpetuate/further malevolent trends e.g. self-centric, consumer-centric/materialist, nihilistic/gangster, slack 'culture'?

Foo, you are bare moist. Even your name real talk, duss from here asap..

[ROYP]

(Original post by The Lyceum)
I'll bite. Firstly, Capisce. I'm pretty sure any intelligent person would object to the way you're "ruining" Italian there in the same manner you protest how the
"yoof" are bastardising "your" language.

That's another thing, "your language" the language is spoken by several million people, what gives you the right to arbitrate? On what criteria? solely on what you feel is correct? Your title already demonstrates your poor grasp of the tongue, your following posts serve only to reinforce this perception.

Yes, by you're own admission you're not a linguist, what then gives you the balls to be so damn sure? And why, by the Queen's hairy ball sack, do you honestly think being 27 when coming across as a self important pseudo-intellectual uninformed brat is a good thing?

Feel free to re-iterate your nonsense, strewn with poorly spelled Italicisms, misc speak like "Problem?" and ample use of the Borat emoticon once more.

P.S: If I annoy you that much, feel free to write a letter about it.

dis is gettin repped

[Captain Haddock]

I literally could not give any less of a ****.

[original_username]

I ay gorra clue what yaw are on abowt loike.

[Foo.mp3]

(Original post by The Lyceum)
I'll bite. Firstly, Capisce

For someone who patently finds my line rather pedantic this tack is rather amusing. I've had this argument before, how one choses to spell an Anglo-American-Italian (Happy Days) variant of the word is really besides the point isn't it? For the sake of argument, you'll find one Anglo-American variant of the Italian word Capisce is: Capeesh, I'm sorry if you object but it's good enough for me. When I start writing the TV prompts for the national news in Italy I'll be sure to break this this particular tradition of mine

(Original post by The Lyceum)
I'm pretty sure any intelligent person would object to the way you're "ruining" Italian there in the same manner you protest how the "yoof" are bastardising "your" language

Just in case I didn't make it clear enough above, we're not in Italy babe, and I use a mixed/jumbled vernacular for the lulz on an internet forum, slightly different to a professional journalist being selected from stiff competition, and paid handsomely, to read the news like a slack-job, wouldn't you say old boy?

Lettuce be cereal.

(Original post by The Lyceum)
what gives you the right to arbitrate?

What gives you the impression I believe I have the right to arbitrate? I'm merely registering my disappointment here and seeing if anyone else feels the same/differently

What gives you 'the right' to bemoan my 'right' to do this?..

(Original post by The Lyceum)
what then gives you the balls to be so damn sure?

In my best Southern State drawl: I knows what I likes. Herp derp

(Original post by The Lyceum)
why, by the Queen's hairy ball sack, do you honestly think being 27 when coming across as a self important pseudo-intellectual uninformed brat is a good thing?

Merely pointing out that, seeing as you're nit picking over words, the very definition of a brat is one who is a minor. Capeesh?

(Original post by The Lyceum)
misc speak like "Problem?" and ample use of the Borat emoticon once more.

", problem" was in retort to your ", no?", and one can never have too much Borat, it's science.

(Original post by The Lyceum)
P.S: If I annoy you that much, feel free to write a letter about it.

If you, and your flaws, were of any consequence, believe me I would be scribbling away as we speak mon frere

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
Foo, you are bare moist

Is this pleb trying to mate with me or wuut?

[gagaslilmonsteruk]

Language constantly changes, grammar, words and spelling evolve - they come, they go/become obsolete in society. It is mainly due to the media, though, if you ask me, as well as the education system. The influence of the media that makes people think that slang is cool, and the laid-back attitudes of some teachers plays a significant part. I have plenty of tolerance for mistakes, we all make them, but what annoys me is that people are reverting to the American ways of spelling, 'Mom' is something that I constantly see now in writing - and it seriously irritates me! Basic grammar errors are also a peeve of mine. I appreciate my language teachers so much more now than what I did at school, because they basically taught us the English grammar that we had so little experience with in our English lessons. When I graduate and become a French teacher, I hope to continue this, because I am not expecting much change in the education system, even though it is a prominent feature in the news these days. I couldn't care less about accents though, 'received' pronunciation means nothing to me at all. In fact I love all the accents a lot, and we should keep them all, but we seriously need some improvements in grammar and language.

[dgeorge]

(Original post by Foo.mp3)
innit doe. 'llow dat on da BBC fam

You don't see how the media can be both a social barometer and serve as to perpetuate/further malevolent trends e.g. self-centric, consumer-centric/materialist, nihilistic/gangster, slack 'culture'?

There's a difference between promoting a dialect, and promoting the behaviours that are (rightly or wrongly) associated with the dialect.

I'm not really sure your point here.....

Just for the record, most of what is referred to as "jamaican patois" is actually quite different from what you hear in Jamaica. Try speaking that over there and you'll get a WTF look -

[dgeorge]

(Original post by Foo.mp3)
innit doe. 'llow dat on da BBC fam

You don't see how the media can be both a social barometer and serve as to perpetuate/further malevolent trends e.g. self-centric, consumer-centric/materialist, nihilistic/gangster, slack 'culture'?

What I'll say is, there is nothing wrong with speaking dialect, the problem occurs when it is used in the wrong PLACE, and when it is substituted for the English standard because of a lack of knowledge/expertise in the standard

[Left Hand Drive]

I prefer to use alot of Scots words

[dylantombides]

There are a lot worse things in life than just how people speak. People like you are probably grumpy and complain about the most minor of things all their lives.

[Clare~Bear]

Maybe it's just the way our language is evolving (unfortunately). It's changed noticeably in the last couple of hundred years let alone a few hundred years since Shakespeare!

[Doskey]

I only get annoyed when someone uses 'arks' instead of 'asks'