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Anders Breivik pleads not guilty. Really?

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    (Original post by jackmikeMon)
    Muslims will be the majority in Birmingham by 2026, and even sooner in Leicester.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicest...ulation_change

    Christianity is the predominant faith in Leicester. There are also approximately 41,000 Hindus, 31,000 Muslims, and 12,000 Sikhs.[31]
    But I expect they all look the same to you.
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    (Original post by Soli123)
    I don't get the last part of your comment. This right wing terrorist killed people because of his views on the so called on going war against the islamization of Norway. White Norwegians get off scot free? He'll be sentenced as he deserves, what other solution do you have in mind?
    Yes but since he did it because of Muslim immigrants you agreed that Muslim immigration needs to be limited.

    If a brown Muslim terrorist did this because Norway has too few immigrants would you then say Norway needs more immigrants? I'm guessing no.

    The answer is always to bash the immigrants even when they have nothing to do with committing a crime.
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    (Original post by dgeorge)
    Taken out of the report which the video uses



    The issue here is a socio-economic one, as opposed to a racial/religious one


    oh, i see. so the report blames violent rape on 'socioeconomic' conditions?

    why is it that whenever white people are victims of minority crime its always an question of socio economic conditions and not racism and hatred??


    norway is a welfare state. the socio economic conditions could not be better. even for the poor. the idea that poverty turns people into violent and racist rapists is just offensive.


    i'm sick and tired of hearing these pathetic excuses for blatant anti white racism and violence.

    norway opened ups its arm to these immigrants, and this is how they repay the norwegian women?


    its sick.
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    (Original post by Namige)
    I'm not saying what he's doing is right, but he has made a pretty good argument for his case. I believe he is fully sane, but not without an extremely rock solid concience in order to demonstrate his beliefs and ideology.

    He also did write tens of thousands of words in his essay regarding his plans so I think he's pretty well informed about all this. More than enough time to think through his future actions and potential consequences(and/or benefits!) hence the seemingly controlled emotion in court.
    Dear oh lord. He cites Melanie Philips misquoting Andy Neather, for starters.

    Are you some sort of caricature of a teacher? "Hmm, well argued, I suppose, er, good essay. And extra marks for spelling!"
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    (Original post by natchina)
    please provide the link to the report and i'll take a look.
    Here's a link to the one that I article that I used
    http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/is...mmigrants.html

    And here's another report which also explains the figures

    http://electronicintifada.net/blog/a...muslims-norway
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    It was self-defence, in his mind. You have to understand that he believes the Labour Party are the enemy. Through his attacks he was attempting to prevent the next-generation of Labour politicians from selling Norway down the river.
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    (Original post by natchina)
    oh, i see. so the report blames violent rape on 'socioeconomic' conditions?

    why is it that whenever white people are victims of minority crime its always an question of socio economic conditions and not racism and hatred??


    norway is a welfare state. the socio economic conditions could not be better. even for the poor. the idea that poverty turns people into violent and racist rapists is just offensive.


    i'm sick and tired of hearing these pathetic excuses for blatant anti white racism and violence.

    norway opened ups its arm to these immigrants, and this is how they repay the norwegian women?


    its sick.
    why is it that whenever white people are victims of minority crime its always an question of socio economic conditions and not racism and hatred??
    I am amused by the fact that when you I come up with actual, hard facts and figures to dispute the report that you presented, instead of bothering to uncover any information you come up with emotional anecdotal evidence which you have no evidence to back up.

    I fully believe that there are some white people who are unjustly blamed due to racism and hatred. This is NOT an excuse, as you seem to be making, for instances when they are justly blame.

    Attempt to use some reasoning instead of a knee jerk opinion that is only supported by people's emotions
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    (Original post by natchina)
    oh, i see. so the report blames violent rape on 'socioeconomic' conditions?

    why is it that whenever white people are victims of minority crime its always an question of socio economic conditions and not racism and hatred??


    norway is a welfare state. the socio economic conditions could not be better. even for the poor. the idea that poverty turns people into violent and racist rapists is just offensive.


    i'm sick and tired of hearing these pathetic excuses for blatant anti white racism and violence.

    norway opened ups its arm to these immigrants, and this is how they repay the norwegian women?


    its sick.
    the idea that poverty turns people into violent and racist rapists is just offensive.
    It is not an idea, it is a fact borne out by extensive evidence that people on the lowest socio-economic end are far more likely to engage in criminal activities, including violent crimes like rape. Let me point out, this is an OFFICIAL 88 page report which made this assertion, not a random poster on a student website. If you really want to refute that their statistics are WRONG, then I suggest you find some information of your own to back up your claim.
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    (Original post by natchina)
    oh, i see. so the report blames violent rape on 'socioeconomic' conditions?

    why is it that whenever white people are victims of minority crime its always an question of socio economic conditions and not racism and hatred??
    My favourite pub got firebombed by Asian youths in 2003. The police treated it as ... a racist incident.

    You're talking utter rubbish. The point being made is that if you adjust crime figures for socio-economic factors, racial groups come out much more even than in the unadjusted figures. And, guess what, they adjust white crime figures too!

    No-one says those socio economic figures makes it OK or anything.
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    (Original post by dgeorge)
    Personally, extremism is extremism - whether left or right wing. But I see your point
    I think I garbled my point a bit really, so that's kind of you. The BNP are a mixture of stuff, so they aren't purely extreme right.
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    (Original post by dgeorge)
    Here's a link to the one that I article that I used
    http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/is...mmigrants.html

    And here's another report which also explains the figures

    http://electronicintifada.net/blog/a...muslims-norway

    ok, thanks for the links. they seem to want to fudge the stats to make it clear that its nothing to do with muslims. i'm not concerned about the religious origins of the rapists, just the fact that non western rapists are targeting european women for rape.

    the figures are very clear, those identified are all of non western appearance. they could be european passport holders. but the fact remains that they are non western in appearance.


    these links admit that almost 50% of rapes are committed by people of non western (white ) descent.

    the non white population of norway is not even close to 50% at this point.


    its amazing that ethnic minorities always complain about 'racism', but they do not want to own up to their own forms of violence, which is worse than racism.

    these stats are simply outrageous. how can 'non whites' have the cheek to complain about racism when this sort of thing is going on!!
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    (Original post by Soli123)
    I don't think Muslim immigration must be limited Because of what this man did on July 22nd, him and his actions are not what I'm basing my opinions on. I didn't suddenly think: Well this is what immigration leads to guys, lets kick everyone of them out. The problem with immigration in Norway has been an increasing problem for years, and the Norwegian governments way of dealing with it has for a long while been very poor.

    I dislike immigrants being bashed for incidents they have nothing to do with. But the painful fact is that the very core of these events is immigration to Norway and what this man did brought to surface a subject and an increasing problem which for too long has been overlooked by Norwegian politicians.
    I know exactly what you meant. Breivik did this because of Muslim immigration, he had a point (although he's bad for killing people) and therefore Muslim immigration should be banned. However, it would seem that you're demanding collective punishment on a group of people for something that a white Norwegian did. Wouldn't it make more sense to punish white, male Norwegians instead of immigrants (who haven't massacred people in Norway)?
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    (Original post by RyanT)
    If you think a 16-17-18 year old is a child then you need to stop being a manchild.

    They were involved in activities with a political organisation. Politics is about controlling other people. I think it's pretty clear they had an agenda and thought they were invulnerable whilst influencing their society in an evil manner by supporting migration of islamists.
    "Supporting migration of islamists".

    If you can find me evidence that all the innocent children (and people in general) murdered by Brevik support moral conservatism and the attempt to impose Islam on all spheres of life (going by the simplistic definition of Islamism) then I'll chop my own dick off.

    Oh and please care to explain why you feel that if they were Islamists, their murder is somehow justifiable.
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    (Original post by natchina)
    colonialism is not the same colonisation.


    in 1947 the year before the floodgates were opened, britain was a racially homogenous society. it was 99.99999% ethnic european -- or white. 60 years later its down to less than 90%.

    the projections are britain will become majority non european around 2066 -- but even if it takes a few more decades it will still be crime against humanity if it happens.

    i say this as someone of mixed heritage myself. i want europe to remain european. if i wanted to live in a non european nation i would move there. i do not want to turn britain into a non european nation just for the benefit of immigrants. it is racist to suggest that europeans should not worry about their own ethnic and cultural dispossession.

    "Crime against humanity". "Cultural dispossession". "Colonisation".

    You don't have a clue what words mean, do you? No wonder you swallowed that video you posted.
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    So long as he never walks free again I don't care if he's officially mental or sane
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    (Original post by RyanT)
    You are wrong to say they are innocent. These were people at a party political event. Politics is about control. I don't really consider their age to be that relevant either.

    These people were legitimate targets in a war over the future of society.

    He isn't insane either, having a killing instinct isn't the same as insanity. I don't agree with him, but attempting to label him as mentally ill is reminsicent of soviet tactics against dissidents.
    You really are one sick human being.
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    (Original post by natchina)
    ok, thanks for the links. they seem to want to fudge the stats to make it clear that its nothing to do with muslims. i'm not concerned about the religious origins of the rapists, just the fact that non western rapists are targeting european women for rape.

    the figures are very clear, those identified are all of non western appearance. they could be european passport holders. but the fact remains that they are non western in appearance.


    these links admit that almost 50% of rapes are committed by people of non western (white ) descent.

    the non white population of norway is not even close to 50% at this point.


    its amazing that ethnic minorities always complain about 'racism', but they do not want to own up to their own forms of violence, which is worse than racism.

    these stats are simply outrageous. how can 'non whites' have the cheek to complain about racism when this sort of thing is going on!!
    You conveniently ignored the fact that the same report that you're using also that, when controlled for socio-economic standing, race/origin didn't matter.

    However, I'm not sure how we moved from discussing Breivik to talking about immigration

    What we should be discussing is how a man was able to mass murder a number of innocent young people, from HIS OWN COUNTRY, and somehow feel that this is "right"

    Lets get back on topic, shall we?
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    He also claims to be part of the Knights Templar, doesn't he? :rolleyes: As far as I was aware there had been two tests of his mental state, one of which concluded he was insane and the other, later test found him sane.

    I don't think he's insane. I think he's a dangerous man with dangerous views. But I don't really care what conclusion is reached as long as he's never allowed out, it's not about politics it's about murder. Even if he believed he was acting in "self defense" on the island he killed people with a car bomb, he had no way of controlling who those people would be. He is a murderer and the lowest form of human being.
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    (Original post by jackmikeMon)
    Any evidence ? Where are you living ? You can't be living in Europe, otherwise you wouldn't have just asked that question.
    If you are, then I seriously worry about your perception skills. Look around you, open your eyes!
    I'm living in Tower Hamlets. My eyes indeed show me a lot of Muslim Asian people. They also show me pubs open very late, gay pubs and places where women wearing not many clothes dance all night.

    sadly they also show me banks charging rip off interest rates, but alas, Islam hasn't got them closed down yet.
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    (Original post by dgeorge)
    It is not an idea, it is a fact borne out by extensive evidence that people on the lowest socio-economic end are far more likely to engage in criminal activities, including violent crimes like rape. Let me point out, this is an OFFICIAL 88 page report which made this assertion, not a random poster on a student website. If you really want to refute that their statistics are WRONG, then I suggest you find some information of your own to back up your claim.


    i may have pointed this out before, but i am a recovering marxist. so i know marxist waffle when i hear it.


    instead of reading this 88 page social science marxist waffle, please just tell me how being poor turns a person into a violent rapist?

    virtually ALL poor people and not violent rapists. so whats the link exactly?

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