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If Mohammad is a prophet, what is his prophesy?

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    So muslims claim that mohammad is a prophet of God. My question is really simple...what is his prophesy?

    The very definition of a prophet is to have some sort of a prophesy (or prediction) about a future event, and then actual proof of that event occurring. For example, in the Old Testament of the Bible, several prophets predicted the coming of Jesus Christ. At some point later, that event occurred, thereby confirming the earlier prophesy.

    I cannot find a single prophesy by Mohammad and so my question is...how exactly is he a prophet?

    Thanks.
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    So muslims claim that mohammad is a prophet of God. My question is really simple...what is his prophesy?

    The very definition of a prophet is to have some sort of a prophesy (or prediction) about a future event, and then actual proof of that event occurring. For example, in the Old Testament of the Bible, several prophets predicted the coming of Jesus Christ. At some point later, that event occurred, thereby confirming the earlier prophesy.

    I cannot find a single prophesy by Mohammad and so my question is...how exactly is he a prophet?

    Thanks.
    Do you take a prophet as some conjurer of cheap tricks? A prophet in the Abrahamic tradition is not a simple fortune-teller, but a person who speaks on Gods behalf, delivering divine messages to his or her society.The prophecy of the Abrahamic faith correspond more closely to social criticism and revelation of Gods will rather than predicting the future.

    The idea that prophecy essentially means predicting the future is a modern (mis)understanding, and is foreign to an Abrahamic understanding of prophecy. Therefore your question makes little sense.
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    (Original post by Lilio Candidior)
    Do you take a prophet as some conjurer of cheap tricks? A prophet in the Abrahamic tradition is not a simple fortune-teller, but a person who speaks on Gods behalf, delivering divine messages to his or her society.The prophecy of the Abrahamic faith correspond more closely to social criticism and revelation of Gods will rather than predicting the future.

    The idea that prophecy essentially means predicting the future is a modern (mis)understanding, and is foreign to an Abrahamic understanding of prophecy. Therefore your question makes little sense.
    No I didn't say anything about cheap tricks or conjuring, etc You're putting words into my mouth. All I said was, as a prophet, one must do something to stick to that definition. Prophesy by definition means foretelling a future event. That's the literal definition of the word. (Here is the def'n: "the foretelling or prediction of what is to come")

    What you say defines a prophet "a person who speaks on Gods behalf, delivering divine messages to his or her society" is NOT a prophet. Jesus did all those things but he wasn't a prophet. In the Christian faith, which is where Jesus is predominant, he is considered to be God, not a prophet of God, even though he did exactly what you said prophets do (speak on God's behalf, etc).

    So no, I stand by my initial statement...a prophet MUST have prophesy otherwise he is mis-titled.

    Speaking God's word alone cannot make you a prophet because then we can say that all priests and the pope and clerymen/women are all prophets because they are all speaking on behalf of God. See the flaw in your logic?
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    (Original post by Lilio Candidior)
    Do you take a prophet as some conjurer of cheap tricks? A prophet in the Abrahamic tradition is not a simple fortune-teller, but a person who speaks on Gods behalf, delivering divine messages to his or her society.The prophecy of the Abrahamic faith correspond more closely to social criticism and revelation of Gods will rather than predicting the future.

    The idea that prophecy essentially means predicting the future is a modern (mis)understanding, and is foreign to an Abrahamic understanding of prophecy. Therefore your question makes little sense.
    Splitting hairs.

    If the God has a plan, and the prophet delivers a message to the nations on the God's behalf predicting what the God is going to, or wants to do, then the furture will be revealed through the prophet's message. If the message includes even part of the God's divine plan and intention, then the prophet is someone who imparts a message of futuries.
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    Would have thought this was a bit obvious but I'll bite...

    The prophecy the onset of life after death; judgement day and (subsequent) heaven/hell.
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    (Original post by Lilio Candidior)
    Do you take a prophet as some conjurer of cheap tricks? A prophet in the Abrahamic tradition is not a simple fortune-teller, but a person who speaks on Gods behalf, delivering divine messages to his or her society.The prophecy of the Abrahamic faith correspond more closely to social criticism and revelation of Gods will rather than predicting the future.

    The idea that prophecy essentially means predicting the future is a modern (mis)understanding, and is foreign to an Abrahamic understanding of prophecy. Therefore your question makes little sense.
    *applause*
    I couldn't have put it better myself.
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    (Original post by Lilio Candidior)
    Do you take a prophet as some conjurer of cheap tricks? A prophet in the Abrahamic tradition is not a simple fortune-teller, but a person who speaks on Gods behalf, delivering divine messages to his or her society.The prophecy of the Abrahamic faith correspond more closely to social criticism and revelation of Gods will rather than predicting the future.

    The idea that prophecy essentially means predicting the future is a modern (mis)understanding, and is foreign to an Abrahamic understanding of prophecy. Therefore your question makes little sense.
    ^ This


    From Google definitions:
    proph·et
    noun /ˈpräfit/ 
    prophets, plural

    A person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God
    - the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah

    (among Muslims) Muhammad

    (among Mormons) Joseph Smith or one of his successors

    A person who advocates or speaks in a visionary way about a new belief, cause, or theory
    - a prophet of radical individualism

    A person who makes or claims to be able to make predictions
    - the anti-technology prophets of doom

    The prophetic writings of the Old Testament or Hebrew scriptures, in particular

    (in Christian use) The books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and the twelve minor prophets

    (in Jewish use) One of the three canonical divisions of the Hebrew Bible, distinguished from the Law and the Hagiographa, and comprising the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and the twelve minor prophets
    Doesn't necessarily mean prophecies.
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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    Would have thought this was a bit obvious but I'll bite...

    Isn't the 'prophesy' the onset of life after death; judgement day and (subsequent) heaven/hell?
    Yes you are correct but that wasn't Mohammad's prophesy. It had already been prophesied by earlier prophets before him. This is why the Old Testament mentions hell/judgement day, etc.

    The Old Testament occurred centuries BEFORE Mohammed so no, those cannot be considered HIS prophesies. He just came an reiterated what others before him had already said. What was his special prophecy??
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    (Original post by .eXe)

    Speaking God's word alone cannot make you a prophet because then we can say that all priests and the pope and clerymen/women are all prophets because they are all speaking on behalf of God. See the flaw in your logic?
    The flaw in your logic is that they speak their interpretation of God's word.

    Mohammed PBUH didn't have prophecies, however he did predict the future, some occuring during his lifespan, and those were words from God that are now compiled into a book called the Qu'ran.
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    (Original post by Bloodrazor)
    The flaw in your logic is that they speak their interpretation of God's word.

    Mohammed PBUH didn't have prophecies, however he did predict the future, some occuring during his lifespan, and those were words from God that are now compiled into a book called the Qu'ran.
    I think youll find mohammad also preached an "interpretation"

    Thats what the hadith is.

    So you just further proved my argument, thanks.
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    What you say defines a prophet "a person who speaks on Gods behalf, delivering divine messages to his or her society" is NOT a prophet. Jesus did all those things but he wasn't a prophet.
    Actually, assuming Jesus was real, Muslims consider him a prophet. Your argument, presumably designed to disprove or insult Islam for your own satisfaction (because let's face it, nobody on this site asking about Islam in this way has the decency to respect the religion), is based on the definition of the word used to describe Mohammed. It's just a word, used many centuries ago. Call him something else if you prefer. But it was meant to symbolise that he carried with him the words of God.
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    Why must prophets have prophecies? The words have different meanings. By prophet we mean messenger of God not a fortune teller.
    Each and every prophet (including Jesus) was a living breathing example of the message passed through them by God. They were messengers and only had the knowledge that God chose to impart them with. Most of all they were human.
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    I think youll find mohammad also preached an "interpretation"

    Thats what the hadith is.

    So you just further proved my argument, thanks.
    Nope.

    Hadith's are messages of God, displayed through his actions and words and those were narrated by several of his trusted companions.

    Quranic Verses are actual messages of God, and Mohammed PBUH is the proxy
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    Why must prophets have prophecies? The words have different meanings. By prophet we mean messenger of God not a fortune teller.
    Each and every prophet (including Jesus) was a living breathing example of the message passed through them by God. They were messengers and only had the knowledge that God chose to impart them with.
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    (Original post by ChampEon)
    Why must prophets have prophecies? The words have different meanings. By prophet we mean messenger of God not a fortune teller.
    Each and every prophet (including Jesus) was a living breathing example of the message passed through them by God. They were messengers and only had the knowledge that God chose to impart them with.
    Dude jesus wasnt a prophet. Christians consider him god and since he is the main part of christianity and the fact that christianity originated before islam which attest to the fact that the biblical version of jesus is the more accurate one. Not to mention the plenty of archaeological and historical evidence that attests to his existence. Jesus is god not a prophet.
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    (Original post by Bloodrazor)
    Nope.

    Hadith's are messages of God,
    Sorry, i think you meant to say ''hadiths(A collection of traditions containing sayings of the prophet Muhammad) are messages of Prophet Muhammad, not God.''
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    One day... one day, just for one day, I hope to log onto TSR and not find a thread about muslims/Islam which ends up leading to arguments.

    A girl can dream. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by .eXe)
    Dude jesus wasnt a prophet. Christians consider him god and since he is the main part of christianity and the fact that christianity originated before islam which attest to the fact that the biblical version of jesus is the more accurate one. Not to mention the plenty of archaeological and historical evidence that attests to his existence. Jesus is god not a prophet.
    Well, Jews came before Christians and they don't even think Jesus exists, so....
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    (Original post by Bloodrazor)
    Nope.

    Hadith's are messages of God, displayed through his actions and words and those were narrated by several of his trusted companions.

    Quranic Verses are actual messages of God, and Mohammed PBUH is the proxy
    Hadith: In Islamic terminology, the term hadith refers to reports of statements or actions of Muhammad, or of his tacit approval or criticism of something said or done in his presence.[7] Classical hadith specialist Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani says that the intended meaning of hadith in religious tradition is something attributed to Muhammad, as opposed to the Quran.[8]

    It has. Othing to do with god. The hadith books are mohammads interpretation of he quran...not gods direct words. Youre confusing your own religion (i assume you are muslim?)

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