Why aren't males treating females like Ladies anymore?
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Original post by jackmikeMon
If you think this claim is false, then all you have to do is compare 1950's culture, music and film with today's. A perfect example is in music, where we see how easy it is today to listen to popular male artists singing and rapping about 'money and bitches'. If these sort of sexually explicit lyrics were heard and made public back then, there would be an absolute uproar and probably a psychological investigation into the mental state of the artist who wrote the lyrics. Compare the hearing of those same lyrics with the society of today, and it's all too obvious that they are perceived in a total opposite nature - they are almost glorified.
*******s blaming rap music. Most rap classics dont have that **** in it. Tupac, seen as a great rapper, in one of his best songs said this
Tupac cares, and don't nobody else care
And uhh, I know they like to beat ya down a lot
When you come around the block brothas clown a lot
But please don't cry, dry your eyes, never let up
Forgive but don't forget, girl keep your head up
And when he tells you you ain't nuttin don't believe him
And if he can't learn to love you you should leave him
Cause sista you don't need him
And I ain't tryin to gas ya up, I just call em how I see em
You know it makes me unhappy (what's that)
When brothas make babies, and leave a young mother to be a pappy
And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up
He predicted it lol
I can give countless classics that dont talk about "bitches" as in "sluts"
They may use the term "bitch" but not in that context.
Plus those song you refer to are not rap, they are their own genre, leeching off of hip hop/rap and talking ****
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Original post by cosmobear92
But that's common courtesy, I hold doors open for anyone, male or female.
IMO, porn mixed with the 'lad' culture, viewing and treating young women who dress provocatively as dispensable and criticising those who don't. Lusting after anyone who is deemed attractive and essentially s***ting on those who aren't.
IMO, porn mixed with the 'lad' culture, viewing and treating young women who dress provocatively as dispensable and criticising those who don't. Lusting after anyone who is deemed attractive and essentially s***ting on those who aren't.
huh?
There are different types of men regarding this.
- Men who dont like a particular womans attitude and behaviour tend to have come from places or interactions with women who have just pissed him off to such a point that he knows how to spot it and act accordingly.
In short, they're not worth the time of day if they are a bitch and should be treated like a **** should be. No respect and a wall of silence.
but....
He understands that there are women out there who are not "OH I AM SO AMAAAAZING!" and are actually stable and worthy of dating and being friendly too.
(this is me)
Dont lump LADS, rapists, mysogonysts and other man labelling in one group. You run the risk of not spotting a rapist from a guy who just doesn't like you.
Hint: the rapist will try his best to get you cornered.
Original post by jackmikeMon
As I have grown up I have inevitably gained a more in-depth understanding about general intimacy. But in doing so, I have come to recognise a gradual detioration of respect from men towards the opposite sex, which I believe has been gradually breaking down for at least several decades. I find this is especially the case amongst a seemingly large majority of many of my male acquaintances at college, and, although they are not aware themselves that I resent them for it, some of the attitudes they express towards females I find are terribly disrespectful.
Of course, I can expect that some may think I am being too politically correct or irrational, but I think this is a serious problem that will potentially get worse in the future, and thus most likely jeopardise the social perspective of women. Not only this, but I myself,(and hopefully many others), am tired of feeling like I am being stereotyped by girls as being 'just another typical guy', because of a selfish majority.
A fine example from many of my own experiences is the idea that it almost now seems to be the norm to perceieve young women as sex symbols. It appears as though the moment a group of males spot a remotely attractive female, they are instantly obliged to start making outrageous sexual remarks to one another about her appearance.
Ok - there's no harm in complimenting a girl's allure or beauty, but what I'm talking about here are out of control comments which are simply not being frowned upon enough, particularly by guys themselves, and seem to be being shrugged off by girls.
Furthremore, people who agree with me will no doubt wonder why...why is this attitude more and more increasingly present? To answer that question, I think we have to attempt to look thoroughly into the root causes.
Guys who I have questioned about this topic tend to argue that "women bring this type of extreme sexual banter upon themselves due to the way they present themselves". In my opinion, that is the answer of a coward, because the whole issue goes much deeper than that.
Additionally, a girl who I have asked seemed to go about the claim that, "guys are always thinking with their dicks", or something to a similar extent.
Similarly, that claim is also disputable. If that statement was in fact the true reason for this growing attitude amongst many young males, then why wasn't this the case decades ago - in and around the 1950s, for example. As far as I'm aware, males still has penises back then, yet it was a man's personal duty, whilst deemed individually necessary to treat all females like Ladies.
If you think this claim is false, then all you have to do is compare 1950's culture, music and film with today's. A perfect example is in music, where we see how easy it is today to listen to popular male artists singing and rapping about 'money and bitches'. If these sort of sexually explicit lyrics were heard and made public back then, there would be an absolute uproar and probably a psychological investigation into the mental state of the artist who wrote the lyrics. Compare the hearing of those same lyrics with the society of today, and it's all too obvious that they are perceived in a total opposite nature - they are almost glorified.
Nobody who I have ever asked has ever disagreed with me when I share the opinion that I think more young females in our society are wearing more 'sexually revealling' clothes. But again, we have to ask, why? What has changed between the mid 20th century to now?
Well to begin with, it is no mystery that the sexual expectations of a woman have been raised more than ever before. It's no exaggeration to say that a lot of young girls are now expected to dress in this evermore sexually provocative manner.
But where does this expectation originate from? Perhaps it is a matter of conformity amongst young girls, but that still doesn't fully identify the root cause. Some might even argue that the way women dress is irrelevant, and that men should pose discrete and respectful attitudes towards them, regardless of the clothes they choose to appear in.
I will also be surprised if pornography doesn't crop up in playing a role in this topic. It has to be considered - does the gripping hold of porn on 99.9% of young men have a significant relation to degrading views of females in general and what is expected of them? Personally, I think it most definitely does.
But what about you?
Maybe you totally disagree with me...perhaps you think I don't even have a point. Therefore, allow to make clear that I respect and appreciate everybody's opinion.
To be honest, I am still trying to fully decide whether there is one root cause to this whole matter, or whether there is a whole variety of causes. This is why I would like to hear your thoughts, regardless of the possibility that I have already come to my own certain conclusions.
I think there must indeed be a whole range of factors, and I would like to see if some others can identify or recognise these factors, because it is essential that this growing problem is brought out more into open and addressed in our society.
Kind Regards.
Of course, I can expect that some may think I am being too politically correct or irrational, but I think this is a serious problem that will potentially get worse in the future, and thus most likely jeopardise the social perspective of women. Not only this, but I myself,(and hopefully many others), am tired of feeling like I am being stereotyped by girls as being 'just another typical guy', because of a selfish majority.
A fine example from many of my own experiences is the idea that it almost now seems to be the norm to perceieve young women as sex symbols. It appears as though the moment a group of males spot a remotely attractive female, they are instantly obliged to start making outrageous sexual remarks to one another about her appearance.
Ok - there's no harm in complimenting a girl's allure or beauty, but what I'm talking about here are out of control comments which are simply not being frowned upon enough, particularly by guys themselves, and seem to be being shrugged off by girls.
Furthremore, people who agree with me will no doubt wonder why...why is this attitude more and more increasingly present? To answer that question, I think we have to attempt to look thoroughly into the root causes.
Guys who I have questioned about this topic tend to argue that "women bring this type of extreme sexual banter upon themselves due to the way they present themselves". In my opinion, that is the answer of a coward, because the whole issue goes much deeper than that.
Additionally, a girl who I have asked seemed to go about the claim that, "guys are always thinking with their dicks", or something to a similar extent.
Similarly, that claim is also disputable. If that statement was in fact the true reason for this growing attitude amongst many young males, then why wasn't this the case decades ago - in and around the 1950s, for example. As far as I'm aware, males still has penises back then, yet it was a man's personal duty, whilst deemed individually necessary to treat all females like Ladies.
If you think this claim is false, then all you have to do is compare 1950's culture, music and film with today's. A perfect example is in music, where we see how easy it is today to listen to popular male artists singing and rapping about 'money and bitches'. If these sort of sexually explicit lyrics were heard and made public back then, there would be an absolute uproar and probably a psychological investigation into the mental state of the artist who wrote the lyrics. Compare the hearing of those same lyrics with the society of today, and it's all too obvious that they are perceived in a total opposite nature - they are almost glorified.
Nobody who I have ever asked has ever disagreed with me when I share the opinion that I think more young females in our society are wearing more 'sexually revealling' clothes. But again, we have to ask, why? What has changed between the mid 20th century to now?
Well to begin with, it is no mystery that the sexual expectations of a woman have been raised more than ever before. It's no exaggeration to say that a lot of young girls are now expected to dress in this evermore sexually provocative manner.
But where does this expectation originate from? Perhaps it is a matter of conformity amongst young girls, but that still doesn't fully identify the root cause. Some might even argue that the way women dress is irrelevant, and that men should pose discrete and respectful attitudes towards them, regardless of the clothes they choose to appear in.
I will also be surprised if pornography doesn't crop up in playing a role in this topic. It has to be considered - does the gripping hold of porn on 99.9% of young men have a significant relation to degrading views of females in general and what is expected of them? Personally, I think it most definitely does.
But what about you?
Maybe you totally disagree with me...perhaps you think I don't even have a point. Therefore, allow to make clear that I respect and appreciate everybody's opinion.
To be honest, I am still trying to fully decide whether there is one root cause to this whole matter, or whether there is a whole variety of causes. This is why I would like to hear your thoughts, regardless of the possibility that I have already come to my own certain conclusions.
I think there must indeed be a whole range of factors, and I would like to see if some others can identify or recognise these factors, because it is essential that this growing problem is brought out more into open and addressed in our society.
Kind Regards.
Where I worked, there was a 50+ year old man who was threatened with a civil suit because he had grabbed the behind of one of the ladies (and had made other sexual comments before)
When he was summoned into a meeting, his response to his behaviour was that he was simply showing that the young lade was attractive.
If you think that women have been treated like "ladies" all the time, and that there is SUDDENLY a break down in society, you are extremely naive.
Oh, and if you think that lyrics NOW are suggestive, how about you check out the lyrics to "********** Blues" written by the Rolling Stones in 1970 (42 years ago)
Oh where can I get my cock sucked?
Where can I get my ass ****ed?
I may have no money,
But I know where to put it every time
I think guys treat women just like they always have. There are a lot of guys who act like jay off the inbetweeners towards women but I think that is mostly just joking around with the lads. Whether you think to yourself I would like to sleep with her like they did in the 50s or say to your mate Im going to smash that slags back doors in, the feelings behind it are the same, the second one just sounds worse. Guys I know sound very disrespectful towards women when they are with the lads but they would never say it to a girl and when they are dating or have a girlfriend they treat them with as much respect as men ever have.
My previous post was a silly Dave Chappelle quip, but here's my full view:
I think that the current sexual objectification of women and other such treatment is a natural result of the rapid and sweeping changes that Western society has seen over the past few decades. Over centuries, society had built several mechanisms, including, for example chivalry and the prohibition on sex before marriage, to protect what it saw as the weaker sex from being exploited and treated like mere sexual objects. Over time, these mechanisms came to be seen as being built on patronizing premises and unnecessarily restrictive, and women shook them off entirely, and this great leveling of the field revealed the fundamental evolution-programmed asymmetry between the genders, which is obvious, for example, in the asymmetry between each gender's attitude towards casual sex. This new Darwinian setup is perhaps the sexual equivalent of abolishing the minimum wage -- when you pit worker against worker without a minimum wage, or in this case, woman against woman without any minimum guarantees of propriety or chivalry, everyone settles for the most he or she can get while giving the least he or she can give.
The solution is, of course, not to go back, but to move forwards. For women to realize that even in this free society, they do not *need* to take demeaning and objectifying treatment lying down -- that they can, and should, stand up for their dignity. My hope is that, over time, society will develop new norms and mechanisms which will prevent either gender from being mistreated. When women decide to stand up once again, and this time demand that they not be treated as mere objects for men's pleasure, that they not be pressurized into feeling the need to be perfect-looking, that they not be judged by their looks but by their actions, men will have no choice but to adopt more civilized behavior. (I should probably add that this new free Western culture has affected both genders, but there is an asymmetry in the strain it has put on each gender. Also, not all men treat women badly -- I open doors, allow ladies to go first, don't ogle, etc., and a majority of the men I know are quite gentlemanly.)
EDIT: Also, relevant song:
I think that the current sexual objectification of women and other such treatment is a natural result of the rapid and sweeping changes that Western society has seen over the past few decades. Over centuries, society had built several mechanisms, including, for example chivalry and the prohibition on sex before marriage, to protect what it saw as the weaker sex from being exploited and treated like mere sexual objects. Over time, these mechanisms came to be seen as being built on patronizing premises and unnecessarily restrictive, and women shook them off entirely, and this great leveling of the field revealed the fundamental evolution-programmed asymmetry between the genders, which is obvious, for example, in the asymmetry between each gender's attitude towards casual sex. This new Darwinian setup is perhaps the sexual equivalent of abolishing the minimum wage -- when you pit worker against worker without a minimum wage, or in this case, woman against woman without any minimum guarantees of propriety or chivalry, everyone settles for the most he or she can get while giving the least he or she can give.
The solution is, of course, not to go back, but to move forwards. For women to realize that even in this free society, they do not *need* to take demeaning and objectifying treatment lying down -- that they can, and should, stand up for their dignity. My hope is that, over time, society will develop new norms and mechanisms which will prevent either gender from being mistreated. When women decide to stand up once again, and this time demand that they not be treated as mere objects for men's pleasure, that they not be pressurized into feeling the need to be perfect-looking, that they not be judged by their looks but by their actions, men will have no choice but to adopt more civilized behavior. (I should probably add that this new free Western culture has affected both genders, but there is an asymmetry in the strain it has put on each gender. Also, not all men treat women badly -- I open doors, allow ladies to go first, don't ogle, etc., and a majority of the men I know are quite gentlemanly.)
EDIT: Also, relevant song:
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Original post by jackmikeMon
It appears as though the moment a group of males spot a remotely attractive female, they are instantly obliged to start making outrageous sexual remarks to one another about her appearance.
Ok - there's no harm in complimenting a girl's allure or beauty, but what I'm talking about here are out of control comments which are simply not being frowned upon enough, particularly by guys themselves, and seem to be being shrugged off by girls.
...
Furthremore, people who agree with me will no doubt wonder why...why is this attitude more and more increasingly present? To answer that question, I think we have to attempt to look thoroughly into the root causes.
...
If that statement was in fact the true reason for this growing attitude amongst many young males, then why wasn't this the case decades ago - in and around the 1950s, for example. As far as I'm aware, males still has penises back then, yet it was a man's personal duty, whilst deemed individually necessary to treat all females like Ladies.
Ok - there's no harm in complimenting a girl's allure or beauty, but what I'm talking about here are out of control comments which are simply not being frowned upon enough, particularly by guys themselves, and seem to be being shrugged off by girls.
...
Furthremore, people who agree with me will no doubt wonder why...why is this attitude more and more increasingly present? To answer that question, I think we have to attempt to look thoroughly into the root causes.
...
If that statement was in fact the true reason for this growing attitude amongst many young males, then why wasn't this the case decades ago - in and around the 1950s, for example. As far as I'm aware, males still has penises back then, yet it was a man's personal duty, whilst deemed individually necessary to treat all females like Ladies.
how do you know that young men in the 1950s didnt talk in such a way behind closed doors?
in all likelihood they did. its just in public/in the company of women they didnt say such things. which is technically the same of men today!
i personally believe that women killed the whole "coat in the puddle" thing with feminism. but id rather have an equal stance in society than a dry shoe so...
i also believe if women do not want dirty comments made they should probably present themselves in a way that stops it. (not saying that it's the woman's fault, more mutual)
Original post by Lil2wkd
I do not recall the last time that a lady treated me like a gentleman, yet I would like to think that I am one.
AFAIK, gentlemen didn't say that they were gentlemen? Think it all comes under modesty or something
Original post by Stefan1991
I compliment women on their appearance all the time. From their response they seem to like it.
I don't understand how complimenting someone could be constued as "rude" unless someone is very easily offended.
Let's see. Pervy = perverted = different. There's nothing wrong with being different.
Creepy = causing fear or unease
That just seems to me not a very good compliment. Since most men would have sex with any woman, saying they would is kind of stating the obvious and could be applied to anyone. No one is going to feel special or impressed because of that.
I don't understand how complimenting someone could be constued as "rude" unless someone is very easily offended.
Let's see. Pervy = perverted = different. There's nothing wrong with being different.
Creepy = causing fear or unease
That just seems to me not a very good compliment. Since most men would have sex with any woman, saying they would is kind of stating the obvious and could be applied to anyone. No one is going to feel special or impressed because of that.
Well, guys are obviously different to girls. A quick look on Yahoo shows that a lot of girls do take offence, if you comment on a sexually appeasing bodily part. Girls, feel free to give your opinion here:
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110127005229AAN5b2l
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090508083230AAkjS12
Original post by Stefan1991
If someone complimenting you causes you "fear or unease" you need to get your head checked.
There's a difference between saying "You have nice eyes" compared to saying "I love your rack" or something similar
Original post by Stefan1991
They may be "revealing" clothes. They reveal more skin, big deal. Fail to see how it's "sexually revealing". Unless you mean it reveals that they are sexual beings instead of repressed prudes?
They may be "revealing" clothes. They reveal more skin, big deal. Fail to see how it's "sexually revealing". Unless you mean it reveals that they are sexual beings instead of repressed prudes?
If you think that wearing clothes is repressing, why don't you walk out, wearing nothing next time?
Original post by Stefan1991
But that's only because it's unusual and social taboo. If it was normal, she wouldn't. In many cultures no one bats an eye when people are walking around stark naked. In fact, they look at you weird for wearing so much unnecessary clothing in the heat and being afraid of exposing your ding dong as if you're embarrassed about it or something. They laugh a lot about that.
But that's only because it's unusual and social taboo. If it was normal, she wouldn't. In many cultures no one bats an eye when people are walking around stark naked. In fact, they look at you weird for wearing so much unnecessary clothing in the heat and being afraid of exposing your ding dong as if you're embarrassed about it or something. They laugh a lot about that.
Perhaps, but most of the world's cultures do prefer clothes to no clothes
Original post by Stefan1991
Agreed, but clothes should not be used to determine whether you should treat them courteously or not.
Agreed, but clothes should not be used to determine whether you should treat them courteously or not.
This is not the point.
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Because the feminists wanted equality and they got it. However, they wanted it when it suited them, so whereas before they complained that men objectified them and treated them like damsels in distress, they now complain that men don't treat them right and don't treat them like ladies.
Personally I love chivalry and I hate the fact that some feminists have ruined it for all women. Women will always be seen as "objects" (rather symbols) of sexual desire to men, and vice versa, it's just that it is now seen as wrong for men to ogle women whereas women can ogle men all they like apparently. The whole aim of life always has been to reproduce and ensure the survival of the species, so it's not like all men who are sexually attracted to women are perverts or objectifying us - they're just human. Besides, I am a woman, I have boobs and I am proud of them and if random men like seeing them (strictly when covered by my clothes, of course
), good for them - I'm not about to run up to every man in the street screaming "DON'T LOOK AT MY BOOBS OR YOU'RE OBJECTIFYING ME!".
Personally I love chivalry and I hate the fact that some feminists have ruined it for all women. Women will always be seen as "objects" (rather symbols) of sexual desire to men, and vice versa, it's just that it is now seen as wrong for men to ogle women whereas women can ogle men all they like apparently. The whole aim of life always has been to reproduce and ensure the survival of the species, so it's not like all men who are sexually attracted to women are perverts or objectifying us - they're just human. Besides, I am a woman, I have boobs and I am proud of them and if random men like seeing them (strictly when covered by my clothes, of course
), good for them - I'm not about to run up to every man in the street screaming "DON'T LOOK AT MY BOOBS OR YOU'RE OBJECTIFYING ME!".(edited 12 years ago)
To be honest, I'd find it a bit hypocritcal if a guy who took more time to do his hair this morning than I did tried to treat me like a typical 'lady', whatever that means.
Gender roles have changed so much nowadays it would be silly to try and treat each other based on genders. It seems to be a popular opinion on here but let me repeat it: treat me like a person, not a female. I like to think that we've progressed to the sort of level of equality where that was a given but it seems not.
I would also like it if people would stop grouping 'feminists' into this really quite annoying group of women who are simply acting petulant. Personally I count myself as a feminist because I want equality, but it isn't a matter of 'pick and choose' the situation in which feminism suits me. Yes, I know that people like that are around, but from what I've seen it's a minority. I'd put the change in attitudes towards the genders down to society rather than a group of catty feminists who can't make up their mind what they want
Gender roles have changed so much nowadays it would be silly to try and treat each other based on genders. It seems to be a popular opinion on here but let me repeat it: treat me like a person, not a female. I like to think that we've progressed to the sort of level of equality where that was a given but it seems not.
I would also like it if people would stop grouping 'feminists' into this really quite annoying group of women who are simply acting petulant. Personally I count myself as a feminist because I want equality, but it isn't a matter of 'pick and choose' the situation in which feminism suits me. Yes, I know that people like that are around, but from what I've seen it's a minority. I'd put the change in attitudes towards the genders down to society rather than a group of catty feminists who can't make up their mind what they want
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Though your hypothesis is too sweeping and general, there may have been somewhat of a shift (hard to say however since I don't truly know how things were before). I think this has been the result of the actions of both men and women as well.
Women often seem to respond better in terms of moving towards a sexual relationship as opposed to a friendship if men act less chivalrous and more 'bad boy' or 'alpha' male, behaviour typically displayed in clubs etc. 'Sweet' behaviour only seems to 'work' for men if coupled with more aggressive male tendencies, which can often leave men who don't display both types of behaviour feeling frustrated and arguing that chivalry is dead and does not work.
I think women do enjoy chivalry but they also need a man to display more 'alpha' male qualities too.
I don't think chivalry is dead however, and there seems to be quite a large misconception surrounding the 1950s. People were exposed to MUCH more real-life violence back then, and sexual promiscuity was still prevalent too. Pornography has been around for centuries, it is just more widely available now (thanks to our good old friend the internet).
A better concept is that both men and women treat each other with mutual respect, kindness, compassion and love.
Women often seem to respond better in terms of moving towards a sexual relationship as opposed to a friendship if men act less chivalrous and more 'bad boy' or 'alpha' male, behaviour typically displayed in clubs etc. 'Sweet' behaviour only seems to 'work' for men if coupled with more aggressive male tendencies, which can often leave men who don't display both types of behaviour feeling frustrated and arguing that chivalry is dead and does not work.
I think women do enjoy chivalry but they also need a man to display more 'alpha' male qualities too.
I don't think chivalry is dead however, and there seems to be quite a large misconception surrounding the 1950s. People were exposed to MUCH more real-life violence back then, and sexual promiscuity was still prevalent too. Pornography has been around for centuries, it is just more widely available now (thanks to our good old friend the internet).
A better concept is that both men and women treat each other with mutual respect, kindness, compassion and love.
Original post by HARRY PUTAH
huh?
There are different types of men regarding this.
- Men who dont like a particular womans attitude and behaviour tend to have come from places or interactions with women who have just pissed him off to such a point that he knows how to spot it and act accordingly.
In short, they're not worth the time of day if they are a bitch and should be treated like a **** should be. No respect and a wall of silence.
but....
He understands that there are women out there who are not "OH I AM SO AMAAAAZING!" and are actually stable and worthy of dating and being friendly too.
(this is me)
Dont lump LADS, rapists, mysogonysts and other man labelling in one group.
You run the risk of not spotting a rapist from a guy who just doesn't like you. Hint: the rapist will try his best to get you cornered.
There are different types of men regarding this.
- Men who dont like a particular womans attitude and behaviour tend to have come from places or interactions with women who have just pissed him off to such a point that he knows how to spot it and act accordingly.
In short, they're not worth the time of day if they are a bitch and should be treated like a **** should be. No respect and a wall of silence.
but....
He understands that there are women out there who are not "OH I AM SO AMAAAAZING!" and are actually stable and worthy of dating and being friendly too.
(this is me)
Dont lump LADS, rapists, mysogonysts and other man labelling in one group.
You run the risk of not spotting a rapist from a guy who just doesn't like you. Hint: the rapist will try his best to get you cornered.
1. Thats charming that is.
2. Lads and misogynists, IMO, are one and the same, no respect for women at all. I dunno if you've ever been on one of these 'lad' pages on facebook but have a read through some of their comments, you'll be surprised how many lump women together, what they say about the women in general and the number of these 'lads' who actively support and encourage it.
3.
Errm, yeah ok ... cheers for the heads up ... 
I completely agree that with both genders there are generalisations, men assuming the worst in women and vice versa. I can understand that if you meet someone unpleasant (male or female) you don't want anything to do with them, but that doesn't mean you have to degrade them and assume that the others are the same.
Original post by Chumbaniya
I like that you put a considerable amount of effort into the guy-who-thinks-he's-far-better-at-writing-than-he-is effect. The number of superfluous expressions you've included shows attention to detail.
8/10.
8/10.
I noticed that as well - personally i was more thinking he was going for the "im a white knight who ever treats women with ultimate respect by putting them on a pedastal" but i see your point as well
I can't be arsed to read through all your posts, you write a lot but don't say anything.
In general, guys want to ****, and the quickest way to get a girl to **** you is to be a confident obnoxious prick, and so it pays to be one. If you're after a long term relationship, a lot of guys won't be such a prick.
Also, most girls are all the same. I think if you did a quick survey, most guys that have been in a committed relationship would have treated a girl well and then that girl just treats 'em like crap in one way or another.
Girls nowadays don't get treated like princesses because most of them aren't.
You need to condense your writing buddy, you try and come across as eloquent, but in reality you come across as a 14 year old trying to sound older.
In general, guys want to ****, and the quickest way to get a girl to **** you is to be a confident obnoxious prick, and so it pays to be one. If you're after a long term relationship, a lot of guys won't be such a prick.
Also, most girls are all the same. I think if you did a quick survey, most guys that have been in a committed relationship would have treated a girl well and then that girl just treats 'em like crap in one way or another.
Girls nowadays don't get treated like princesses because most of them aren't.
You need to condense your writing buddy, you try and come across as eloquent, but in reality you come across as a 14 year old trying to sound older.
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I think they are several reasons as to why the majority of men don't treat ladies anymore (apologies if I'm repeating what other people say):
1. Girls don't present themselves as ladies, in the 1950's girls wouldn't go out wearing as little as possible. I think the reason why this has changed is more of a sub conscious idea of wanting to have power over men. For example display a lot to make guys want you, but then having the power to say I don't want the guy.
2. Feminists have ruined the idea of a lady by making nearly everything equal. Why should men treat women any better then their male counter parts when we're equal? For example something as little as letting a woman pass through a door first, now that we are equal surely both men and women should take it in turns let the other through first instead of automatically let women through?
These are just a few examples, which do not represent me as a person! I instinctively let girls through doors first, hold doors and just generally respect them because thats how i was brought up. Apologies for the bad grammar, still half a sleep!
1. Girls don't present themselves as ladies, in the 1950's girls wouldn't go out wearing as little as possible. I think the reason why this has changed is more of a sub conscious idea of wanting to have power over men. For example display a lot to make guys want you, but then having the power to say I don't want the guy.
2. Feminists have ruined the idea of a lady by making nearly everything equal. Why should men treat women any better then their male counter parts when we're equal? For example something as little as letting a woman pass through a door first, now that we are equal surely both men and women should take it in turns let the other through first instead of automatically let women through?
These are just a few examples, which do not represent me as a person! I instinctively let girls through doors first, hold doors and just generally respect them because thats how i was brought up. Apologies for the bad grammar, still half a sleep!
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