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Is Brevik the logical outcome of "multiculturalism"

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    Can't stress enough, I've mentioned it in pages 7-10 onwards, I DO NOT share this view and I'm trying to start a discussion on his Motive's and what role "multiculturalism" plays, if any.
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    Brevik is the natural outcome of someone being insane.

    Nothing more nothing less.
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    I'm not sure playing Devil's Advocate is a particularly effective way to start a thread in D&CA :p:
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    This isn't my opinion just a discussion starter

    And yes I know I've spelt Breivik wrong in the title
    No. He's a nut.
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    I agree with his beliefs to an extent however his actions have only made it harder for those battling his fight the correct way through democratic means.

    EDIT: Going to neg me for condemning violence and saying I partially agree with some of his views that you probably haven't even read? OK
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    I wouldn't say there is any one obvious logical conculsion to a complex socio-politico-economic issue like multiculturalism.

    There, I've said something pretentious and needlessly wordy, now I can go to bed.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    This isn't my opinion just a discussion starter

    And yes I know I've spelt Breivik wrong in the title
    What is multiculturalism?
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    Basically no but some cultures are more antagonistic to the west than others.
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    People leaving comments that say something like "No he's just insane", either try and contribute or stop running away from debate, or trying to sterilise discussion. Breivik has made points that need to be discussed, and there are many reasosn for why he did it.
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    He's not insane, he's just a deluded sociopathic megalomaniac. Nothing that he claims to believe has any validity whatsoever; multiculturalism is overwhelmingly a positive force.
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    Does there exist any single sociocultural trait that every native person possesses?
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    These kind of people won't stop until we introduce Christianity as the continental religion, prosecute and deport non-Christians and other political undesirables and fight crusades against neighbouring Muslims like the good old days. If not doing the above is considered multiculturalism, sure, there kind of people will still remain rejective of the oh so wrong course their country is taking.

    That said he is certainly not insane or mentally ill in any way. His actions produced the needed result of marketing his ideas; we just need to hope that the average idiot doesn't get convinced.
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    Well, if so, how come mass murder hasn't been committed in Amsterdam yet? There are polygays living next to evangelical Protestants!
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    People leaving comments that say something like "No he's just insanse", either try and contribute or stop running away from debate, or trying to sterilise discussion. Breivik has made points that need to be discussed, and there are many reasosn for why he did it.
    No one is "running" There are many parties around Europe (and around the world) that run on similar platforms. The people have a chance to vote to decide whether or not they want these parties in power.

    In no way, shape nor form is mass murder an acceptable way to get your point across, and I'm sickened by the fact that he is actually achieving his goal.
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    (Original post by whyumadtho)
    Does there exist any single sociocultural trait that every native person possesses?
    Yes and No. Yes because society influences those native persons towards their resulting world view, view of morality, customs, taboos and so on. No because human individuals are inherently random - both out of genetic make-up and their own experiences - so variations of such sociocultural traits are expected. And such variations are made even wider considering the relatively liberal society we live in. Indeed had society been made up of people with the exact same sociocultural characteristics, multiculturalism could have actually been a problem because of the inevitable clash of distinct cultures. Yet considering the differences that already exist within the same culture, and the fact that we all get along despite such differences, it leaves no room for the argument that multiculturalism is either bad for society or unattainable.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    This isn't my opinion just a discussion starter

    And yes I know I've spelt Breivik wrong in the title
    No, not even remotely.
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    (Original post by RightSaidJames)
    He's not insane, he's just a deluded sociopathic megalomaniac. Nothing that he claims to believe has any validity whatsoever; multiculturalism is undeniably a good thing in every possible way.
    I seriously doubt anybody believes that, even people on the pro-artificial side.
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    (Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
    No, not even remotely.
    and .... carry on
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    (Original post by RightSaidJames)
    He's not insane, he's just a deluded sociopathic megalomaniac. Nothing that he claims to believe has any validity whatsoever; multiculturalism is undeniably a good thing in every possible way.
    Tony, is that you?

    According to this poll, you're wrong: http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpu...mmigrants.aspx

    I know, immediately, someone will argue that there is some vague difference between 'multiculturalism' and 'multi-racialism', but that's only because their political stance obligates them to. Multiculturalism is okay in small doses - Notting Hill Carnival, for example - but over time it erodes and distorts the existing 'order'.

    Immigrants ---> demand for niche stores ---> niche stores dominating local neighbourhood.

    However, we're faced with a dilemma. Do we try to artificially preserve a culture that has always changed or do we accept artificial change? The only problem is that this a huge 'non-invasive' force - something no nation has had to deal with before.
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    He'll use whatever reason he can to justify himself.

    He's a nutjob.

    He was against the islamification of Europe and multiculturalism but killed more nationals...

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