[de_monies]

(Original post by Above.The.Empyrean)
I veraciously don't know who negged you, but I was being facetious. Perhaps he did, perhaps he didn't hearken to the emboldening epistle through this descant.

Fair enough. I wasn't implying it was you who negged me tbf

[murcielago998]

Okay, basically, this is how it is.

When Breivik was 'ickle, his best buddy was a Pakistani Muslim. Breivik thought him and said friend would be life long friends and live happily ever after.

However, said Pakistani Muslim one day turned on Breivik and struck him down ferociously, at the behest of another Pakistani.

Breivik felt betrayed and angry that his best fwend would do this to him. He cut off all communication with his life long amigo. He was then all alone and had no one to love him.

He let this build up inside of him as he grew up, and each day he would think about the incident with his former friend as his blood boiled.

One day, he could take it no more. He had had enough. it was time for revenge. So he started writing his manifesto about how Pakistanis and Muslims were to blame for ALL of the problems in the west ever. However, what he didn't tell anyone was that he was just mega wound up that his friend betrayed him.

Then he went and killed abuncha people so the world would finally hear his angry voice, and heed his message: PAKIS GO BACK HOME!!!

That way no other innocent person would ever be betrayed again by his bestest budz.

[dgeorge]

(Original post by Bonged.)
Well tbh quoting the bbc is much like quoting daily mail, it is a biased organisation.

They are also more likely to be perpetrators of race crimes. Violent ones anyway.

Do you have anything to combat this FACT or are you just going to come up with silly excuses?

They have made an assertion based on a race report - either come up with actual statistics to prove them wrong or don't say anything at all. You sound really ridiculous when all you can do when facts are presented is to say "well they are PROBABLY biased"

Likewise, I could say the same about every single assertion that you have made

[Bonged.]

(Original post by dgeorge)
Do you have anything to combat this FACT or are you just going to come up with silly excuses?

They have made an assertion based on a race report - either come up with actual statistics to prove them wrong or don't say anything at all. You sound really ridiculous when all you can do when facts are presented is to say "well they are PROBABLY biased"

Likewise, I could say the same about every single assertion that you have made

What? What facts do I need to combat?

[dgeorge]

(Original post by Bonged.)
What? What facts do I need to combat?

That minorities are more likely to be attacked than whites

[Bonged.]

(Original post by dgeorge)
That minorities are more likely to be attacked than whites

I accept that. They are also more likely to attack than whites. Can you accept this?

[dgeorge]

(Original post by Bonged.)
I accept that. They are also more likely to attack than whites. Can you accept this?

Yes. I have no problem admitting that people from every ethnicity are capable of committing and are perpetrators AND victims of racism.

I simply despise when people try and unfairly shift the blame on a certain demographic simply because of their stupid biases.

[Taffinator]

No hes not insane, he was most probably depessed and instead of ending his life pointlessly thought he could put it to good use. I support his views but obviously not the killings, even that in the news brings a tear to my eye. If he just had his intended target, the ex prime minister, well that wouldn't be so bad no harm done but with the point still getting across.

[MrJim]

I don't understand this thread. I also don't understand why certain politicians are so hell bent on making sure the nasty white blonde people don't exist any more so they can feel relaxed that they are willing to allow democracy to more or less collapse in the process. There wouldn't be a resurgent far right in Europe if it wasn't for Islamism and despite everything that Muslims say on the matter, there is very little real difference between Salafi influenced political parties and Far Right fascists. So basically, if you're a wooley minded liberal, you're ****ed and have no where to go.

Killing the left? **** that. Especially not kids. They've bolloxed themselves anyway.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by dgeorge)
Yes. I have no problem admitting that people from every ethnicity are capable of committing and are perpetrators AND victims of racism.

I simply despise when people try and unfairly shift the blame on a certain demographic simply because of their stupid biases.

Same. Annoying when people try to blame the host community when it is their country that is being turned to **** and they who are less likely to physically attack people.

[Joinedup]

(Original post by Tubby Isaacs)
So no white sex offenders then.

Can't see why this is so difficult for some people to understand

Read the article... disproportionatly there's a problem with pakistanis grooming and raping girls. as a proportion of the population they do it much more often than any other ethnic group.

this doesn't mean everyone else is a saint or no one who's not pakistani ever raped anyone - it does mean that right now there's a problem that the pakistani community and those who seek to defend them from any and all criticism need to get their heads out of the sand about.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Read the article... disproportionatly there's a problem with pakistanis grooming and raping girls. as a proportion of the population they do it much more often than any other ethnic group.

Yeah, I know. And I know that they target white girls because they're less tightly controlled than Asian girls.

But that's just one sexual offence. Why should it be picked out from all the others?

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by prog2djent)
"Is clearly seems to be demented"

You do realise that in most of my comments I've been describing the "he's crazy, no justification" view is wrong IMO.

He clearly layed out hi motives for the attack, wrote a manifesto, planned it, precision.

He was extreme, but calculating.

I agree. What I'm saying is that we need to have a proper debate on multi-culturalism wihtout including his ridiculous views (he lives in a country BTW with the second highest standard of living in the world)

[lostlife]

(Original post by murcielago998)



Then he went and killed abuncha people so the world would finally hear his angry voice, and heed his message: PAKIS GO BACK HOME!!!

That way no other innocent person would ever be betrayed again by his bestest budz.

LOL.

You are such an idiot... so if some of your best friend betray you, you will go on and kill other poeple? just to be heard?

You really found a way to blame this on all his "paki friends" as you call em...

tell me one thing, are you EDL member?

[I-Am-A-Tripod]

(Original post by prog2djent)
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Tripple Edit:

Can't stress enough, I've mentioned it in pages 7-10 onwards, I DO NOT share this view and I'm trying to start a discussion on his Motive's and what role "multiculturalism" plays, if any.

applying your initial idiots logic
- rape is the 'logical outcome' having mixed gender societies
- child murder is the 'logical outcome' of allowing children outdoors
- bestiality is the 'logical outcome' of a farmers owning animals

etc etc

there is no logical explanation for mass murder, hate etc, they are illogical result of personal insecurities and malfunctions of your brain.

[stevie2]

(Original post by prog2djent)
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Tripple Edit:

Can't stress enough, I've mentioned it in pages 7-10 onwards, I DO NOT share this view and I'm trying to start a discussion on his Motive's and what role "multiculturalism" plays, if any.

He is an example of a disturbed person, so disturbed he see nothing wrong with killing to promote his cause when his cause is to stop the religion that teaches that killing etc to advance it, is a holy work

[ConnorB]

His point of Europe becoming more and more "Islamified" as he put it is somewhat correct and is a point that must be assessed seriously.

I'd also like to point out that there is a massive difference between Multiculturalism and Multiracialism.

What I cannot ever see happening is killing teenagers for his point to be taken seriously. So this is in no way the logical outcome of Multiculturalism. He's nothing more than a sick twisted terrorist and no better than the scum of Al Queda or the IRA.

Remember kids! Terrorists aren't just middle eastern unshaven men!

[patcake]

As a born and bred Norwegian, my experience is that quite a lot of people in fact share Breivik's views. Obviously not to the same degree, but there is a general sense of right wing opinions in Norway, particulary in the districts. The reason for this is that there is in fact quite a lot of immigration in Norway, and most of them are just placed in Oslo, creating "ghettos" ( in the lack of a better word), and thus creating prejudice. I come from a small village just outside Oslo, and when the people in the local asylum camp there started having riots due to frustration, people went wild and it's now shut down. A bit ironic seing as sending immigrants into the districts is the only sensible alternative to placing them all in Oslo. My personal opinion is that the Norwegian government is afraid of enforcing rules and legislations ( Don't get me wrong, I voted for labour myself, I'm just trying to construct an argument). I can't stress this point enough, immigrants often come from war zones or areas with social conflicts, and I can't even begin to imagine what they must have seen. Instead of being offered appriorate help, a job to structure their lives AND none the less to help them contribute to the Norwegian society, they're left in a council flat in Oslo living on benefits. This doesn't go for all of them obviously ( I have met many immigrants who have jobs, an education etc) but I think this is probably the reason why many Norwegians get frustrated, and thus develop semi racists opinions. Bottom line of this long winded argument is, I dont think Breivik is a result of multiculturism itself, I think he is a result of lack of integration and management of multiculturalism, as it in itself can be a very beautiful thing. This being said, I don't think theres any point in pointing fingers at anyone for what happened, especially not to the Norwegian government, as the only one to blame is Breivik himself.

[Miraclefish]

Brevik isn't the logical outcome of anything.

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by prog2djent)
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Tripple Edit:

Can't stress enough, I've mentioned it in pages 7-10 onwards, I DO NOT share this view and I'm trying to start a discussion on his Motive's and what role "multiculturalism" plays, if any.

no, if it was then the would be many more breviks of various nationalities . ... total logic fail and a failure as person