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Is Brevik the logical outcome of "multiculturalism"

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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    i.e. Muslim immigrants are ruining the culture of Christian Europe via 'liberal elites' and 'cultural Marxism' etc. .
    I think he was stressing that it was the other way round.

    Hence why he attacked the people he did.
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    Think logical outcome isn't really the right phrase but I think he was an inevitable outcome.

    He isn't insane or deluded, that's why he is more dangerous now than he was with a loaded gun because the second he gets on that stand and airs his views we could have thousands more inspired to do something similar. Tbh i would bet any amount of money the Norwegians are considering putting a bullet through his skull before he makes it to trial and just taking the international outcry on the chin or framing it as some type of revenge attack, he knows killing some left wing kids and blowing up some buildings isn't going to change anything in the long run and I'd bet this trial and his inevitably inspiring and inflammatory speech was the plan all along.
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    It is nice to see that outside of the mainstream and corrupt press, there is a real debate going on about what Breivik did. I dont agree with killing others but I am starting to beleive that the left wing/globalist capitalist project to allow unhindered access to millions of foreigners into european countries would eventually hit a tipping point for the local people. every people on earth have a right to their own land. Again I will say though that murdering minors is NOT the best way to the deal with the situation!
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    Maybe if you accepted him he wouldn't have killed so many people.
    : - |

    No....just no. lol.
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    (Original post by Darth Stewie)
    Think logical outcome isn't really the right phrase but I think he was an inevitable outcome.

    He isn't insane or deluded, that's why he is more dangerous now than he was with a loaded gun because the second he gets on that stand and airs his views we could have thousands more inspired to do something similar. Tbh i would bet any amount of money the Norwegians are considering putting a bullet through his skull before he makes it to trial and just taking the international outcry on the chin or framing it as some type of revenge attack, he knows killing some left wing kids and blowing up some buildings isn't going to change anything in the long run and I'd bet this trial and his inevitably inspiring and inflammatory speech was the plan all along.
    Probably the most sensible post in the thread so far. The intense media coverage so far has given Breivik a platform to essentially recite and explain his beliefs that were previously confined to his manifesto. And there's simply no way around this. If one respects judicial integrity and the rule of law, then Breivik needs to be allowed to elucidate his reasoning in a courtroom setting. This goes back to the ol' adage "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it." He is an intelligent man and everyone appears to be eating from the palm of his hand.

    This guy on AJ English also speaks some sense, which is odd considering his views have changed since he wrote this editorial for the Guardian last year. What he dismissed earlier as "tunnel vision resulting from selective perusal of the internet" is now a more popular ideology that needs to be addressed, whether one agrees with it or not. He openly admits that it is not an isolated case. Not even a Norwegian professor of anthropology would suggest that every critic of multiculturalism has "allowed himself to be brainwashed by Islamophobic and extreme rightwing websites."

    No reasonable person would agree with Breivik's actions, but his criticism of multiculturalism and immigration is nonetheless valid. No amount of condescending media or judicial obfuscation will change that.
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    (Original post by germanicscot)
    It is nice to see that outside of the mainstream and corrupt press, there is a real debate going on about what Breivik did. I dont agree with killing others but I am starting to beleive that the left wing/globalist capitalist project to allow unhindered access to millions of foreigners into european countries would eventually hit a tipping point for the local people. every people on earth have a right to their own land. Again I will say though that murdering minors is NOT the best way to the deal with the situation!
    right-wing, surely?
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    Different socio-economic groups can have the same over arching culture. A spanish peasant and a spanish king are more culturally similar to each other than to the respective lower and upper class people in your pic.
    Really? So the Spanish monarch shares less with the British monarch in terms of behaviour, dress, culinary customs, dress, standard of living, mobility, responsibility, outlook, economic situation, etc. than he does with a Spanish peasant?
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    He looks entirely white to me. I'm not an expert, mind.
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    White is subjective. It's a state of mind.
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    Nope, Breivik is the outcome of xenophobia, extremist views and him being an evil killer.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    right-wing, surely?
    I thought being against multiculturalism was more of a right-wing thing, allowing it freely is quite leftist? Apologies if I'm wrong.
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    (Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
    Tony, is that you?

    According to this poll, you're wrong: http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpu...mmigrants.aspx

    I know, immediately, someone will argue that there is some vague difference between 'multiculturalism' and 'multi-racialism', but that's only because their political stance obligates them to. Multiculturalism is okay in small doses - Notting Hill Carnival, for example - but over time it erodes and distorts the existing 'order'.

    Immigrants ---> demand for niche stores ---> niche stores dominating local neighbourhood.

    However, we're faced with a dilemma. Do we try to artificially preserve a culture that has always changed or do we accept artificial change? The only problem is that this a huge 'non-invasive' force - something no nation has had to deal with before.
    I see no problem with distorting the existing order or the domination of certain neighbourhoods by certain cultures. Immigration is not something that governments can meaningfully control in this age of globalisation, so they may as well live and let live.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    And you'd know that being from Cowbridge?

    Live in Luton for a year and let's see what's up.
    Are you accusing me of being a Champagne Socialist? For the record I've also lived in Brussels, Michigan and, for the past 4 years, Cardiff.

    Yeah, I know that culture clashes often cause tension, violence and other problems, but from a wider perspective immigration is an overwhelmingly positive force. Even if it wasn't, in an age of globalisation there's nothing anyone (be they terrorist or politician) can do about it.
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    (Original post by madders94)
    I thought being against multiculturalism was more of a right-wing thing, allowing it freely is quite leftist? Apologies if I'm wrong.
    Right and Left refer specifically to the economic policy pursued by the state.

    Left-wing policy - protectionism, state ownership of industry, price-setting, restricted movement of labour to capital (e.g. North Korea, China - outside the metropolises).

    Right-wing policy - free markets, privatized economy, free movement of labour to capital, high migration rates, business friendly economic policy.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Right and Left refer specifically to the economic policy pursued by the state.

    Left-wing policy - protectionism, state ownership of industry, price-setting, restricted movement of labour to capital (e.g. North Korea, China - outside the metropolises).

    Right-wing policy - free markets, privatized economy, free movement of labour to capital, high migration rates, business friendly economic policy.
    Ah ok, thanks for the explanation
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    (Original post by smaragda)
    Multiculturalism, when mismanaged, can lead to more people embrassing right-wing and rasism overall
    If by that you mean that Breivik has horrified/embarrassed/disheartened much of the (far) right wing through his actions, then yes, that's undeniable

    However, people who feel strongly about the principals can separate them from those who twist them e.g. 'moderate' vs. radical Islam

    Someone taking the wrong kind of action on an issue does not negate the issue itself, it merely inflames, then quietens the debate, for a while..

    (Original post by smaragda)
    Breivik is a sociopath, he probably just needed an excuse to kill, if it wasn't multiculturalism it would be something else
    He does not present an outright psychopath/sociopath ~ hence the need to put his ipod on and apparently get into a mental state akin to feeling as though he were playing one of his video games

    He knew what he was doing, was purportedly in a clear minded/lucid state and clearly felt very strongly about his cause, hence all the planning, prep, and lengthy manifesto, video spiel etc

    He's not mentally ill but instead fanatical about the idea that multiculturalism threatens his society, and paranoid about Muslims taking over in Europe in particular

    There probably is an element of filling a void in his life, finding a calling to answer etc, but few such callings would lead a guy like that to the conclusion that mass murder is the answer :beard:
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Right and Left refer specifically to the economic policy pursued by the state.

    Left-wing policy - protectionism, state ownership of industry, price-setting, restricted movement of labour to capital (e.g. North Korea, China - outside the metropolises).

    Right-wing policy - free markets, privatized economy, free movement of labour to capital, high migration rates, business friendly economic policy.
    Multiculturalism is also right wing. People who want the government to 'preserve and protect the culture' are promoting a left wing position in which the government intervenes in society to prohibit foreign cultures.
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    Multiculturalism is also right wing. People who want the government to 'preserve and protect the culture' are promoting a left wing position in which the government intervenes in society to prohibit foreign cultures.
    An authoritarian government would actively intervene in society on the basis of culture.

    A libertarian government would pursue a much more hands-off approach.
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    Anyone who thinks that Breivik was the logical outcome of multiculturalism needs to have their head examined.
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    (Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
    Immigrants ---> demand for niche stores ---> niche stores dominating local neighbourhood.
    I'd rather see a niche store than a dilapidated, vandalised lot. Migrants haven't forced the previous owners out, the previous owners have evacuated the property because they were not receiving enough custom. It seems people complain about something when it's gone despite never having used it in the first place. :rolleyes:

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