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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    Maybe not citizenship tests, but a moderately difficult test about the history, geography and politics of the United Kingdom, alongside an English test.
    Not to disagree with you, but shouldn't a lot of people already in this country learn some of this stuff too :P
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Off the top of my head, to do something about the deteriorating social fabric in this country, restore self-discipline and social investment among different groups (including immigrants and young people):

    1) I'd have everyone sit proper citizenship tests (not the current crap), and any 1st gen immigrants participate in mandatory national service (including, but not limited to, military service)

    1a) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if they failed citizenship tests on two attempts, or if they refused national service

    1b) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK prior to 1945 would be offered two options if they failed citizenship tests on two attempts:

    1c) School leavers would also participate in either national service for a year (as above) or be allowed to take gap years abroad instead

    • Join an educational program and participate in a community based volunteering scheme so as to immerse them in British life, and re-take citizenship tests every 6 months until they pass

    • Deportation

    2a) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if they were found guilty of a crime punishable with prison sentence

    2b) The household who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if a member of that household was found guilty of a crime of a very serious nature

    3) PSHE/sex education type lessons would be taken out of school altogether, and incorporated into (regulated) fortnightly youth groups run by young role models on Sunday evenings (akin to Sunday school, keeping the ethical education but dropping the religious slant). School holidays would include time doing Duke of Edinburgh/Scouts stuff, some of it in the community, with these groups
    Right now, I'm struggling to pick out any significant differences between your policies and the sort of thing that Hitler was all in favour of. Deportation (especially of second- or third-generation immigrants) won't work and would be very expensive. The idea of sending someone back where they came from only works when they're first entering the country. If someone was born and raised in the same house in Bradford and all their family live within three streets of them, where are you going to send them back to?

    (Original post by StephanieOzuo)
    Whats wrong with the immigrants cpming from Nigeria and Pakistan etc?
    Where I'm living there are quite sizeable Asian and African communities who seem determined to prove that part of the problem with immigration is the lack of integration. There are parts of this town that are like a mini Karachi (the Pakistanis being particularly good at creating their own ghettos) simply because of the quantity of immigrants arriving with no intention of integration. Limit the numbers of (for example) Pakistanis and you limit the opportunity for these ghettos to be created.
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    (Original post by Willum Infanta)
    They're just the countries that the majority of immigrants tend to come from, I'd also add Romania and India to that list of countries too
    The majority of immigrants to the United Kingdom definitely do not come from Nigeria.

    You should be adding the following nations to your list:

    India
    Poland
    Pakistan
    Ireland
    Germany
    Zuid-Afrika
    Bangladesh
    United States

    All of those preceding nations contribute more nationals to the UK's population than Nigeria does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...United_Kingdom

    I'm not sure why you mention Romania either - there are less than 100,000 Romanian nationals in the UK according to the ONS.
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    (Original post by Willum Infanta)
    They're just the countries that the majority of immigrants tend to come from, I'd also add Romania and India to that list of countries too
    I find that, in a lot of cases, Indians seem (horrid generalization, I know) to be better at fitting into their communities than the Pakistanis. As for Romania, the point I was making referred to the Commonwealth otherwise, yes, I would include most of Eastern Europe.
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    (Original post by kingsholmmad)
    Right now, I'm struggling to pick out any significant differences between your policies and the sort of thing that Hitler was all in favour of. Deportation (especially of second- or third-generation immigrants) won't work and would be very expensive. The idea of sending someone back where they came from only works when they're first entering the country. If someone was born and raised in the same house in Bradford and all their family live within three streets of them, where are you going to send them back to?
    You can pay them to move to anywhere else in the European Union.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    The majority of immigrants to the United Kingdom definitely do not come from Nigeria.
    You misread my post, I said Nigeria is one of the many countries that the majority seem to come from - I say majority because there are obviously people coming from all different Nations but at a smaller rate.

    (Original post by kingsholmmad)
    I find that, in a lot of cases, Indians seem (horrid generalization, I know) to be better at fitting into their communities than the Pakistanis. As for Romania, the point I was making referred to the Commonwealth otherwise, yes, I would include most of Eastern Europe.
    I don't know any Indians myself but all the Pakistani's I've known have now stopped socialising with all other races apart from their own community, one of the guys used to be one of my best mates but now he only speaks Urdu on his facebook...
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    (Original post by Willum Infanta)
    You misread my post, I said Nigeria is one of the many countries that the majority seem to come from - I say majority because there are obviously people coming from all different Nations but at a smaller rate.
    Surely you could then also say that Mongolia is one of the many countries that the 'majority' seem to come from?

    You haven't specified what the majority and minority are in these cases.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Off the top of my head, to do something about the deteriorating social fabric in this country, restore self-discipline and social investment among different groups (including immigrants and young people):

    1) I'd have everyone sit proper citizenship tests (not the current crap), and any 1st gen immigrants participate in mandatory national service (including, but not limited to, military service)

    1a) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if they failed citizenship tests on two attempts, or if they refused national service

    1b) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK prior to 1945 would be offered two options if they failed citizenship tests on two attempts:

    1c) School leavers would also participate in either national service for a year (as above) or be allowed to take gap years abroad instead

    • Join an educational program and participate in a community based volunteering scheme so as to immerse them in British life, and re-take citizenship tests every 6 months until they pass

    • Deportation

    2a) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if they were found guilty of a crime punishable with prison sentence

    2b) The household who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if a member of that household was found guilty of a crime of a very serious nature

    3) PSHE/sex education type lessons would be taken out of school altogether, and incorporated into (regulated) fortnightly youth groups run by young role models on Sunday evenings (akin to Sunday school, keeping the ethical education but dropping the religious slant). School holidays would include time doing Duke of Edinburgh/Scouts stuff, some of it in the community, with these groups
    Why should 2nd, 3rd or whatever generation have to go through citezenship tests? They're just as much British as you. They were born here and raised here, it's their home as much it is yours. They never chose to come here and shouldn't be forced to leave. And how would old 1st generation people do national service? Why should the whole household have to suffer? Are you plain stupid or what? Do you want Britain to become North Korea. It wouldn't be my fault if my brother or someone did a serious crime, would it? You're an example of how stupid the BNP are (you hold their ideas) and how stupid British people have become. Well done mate. What a genius you are.
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    (Original post by kingsholmmad)
    Where I'm living there are quite sizeable Asian and African communities who seem determined to prove that part of the problem with immigration is the lack of integration. There are parts of this town that are like a mini Karachi (the Pakistanis being particularly good at creating their own ghettos) simply because of the quantity of immigrants arriving with no intention of integration. Limit the numbers of (for example) Pakistanis and you limit the opportunity for these ghettos to be created.
    Mate you need to understand that it's the type of people coming from those countries, not the whole population. The British government let in the wrong types of Pakistanis, Nigerians etc, they let in all the uneducated, unskilled ones when they should have let in educated, skilled ones who could properly speak English. For example the US let the right type of Pakistanis in, infact 60% of them hold a degree in the US, they earn twice the wage of the average American, they contribute a lot to the economy there and they've integrated so well that there are more more half white half Pakistanis or a quater pakistanis than full Pakistanis nowdays over there. I read an article about it the other day. Britian has no idea about immigration and how to make it positive but now the damage has already been done.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Off the top of my head, to do something about the deteriorating social fabric in this country, restore self-discipline and social investment among different groups (including immigrants and young people):

    1) I'd have everyone sit proper citizenship tests (not the current crap), and any 1st gen immigrants participate in mandatory national service (including, but not limited to, military service)

    1a) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if they failed citizenship tests on two attempts, or if they refused national service

    1b) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK prior to 1945 would be offered two options if they failed citizenship tests on two attempts:

    1c) School leavers would also participate in either national service for a year (as above) or be allowed to take gap years abroad instead

    • Join an educational program and participate in a community based volunteering scheme so as to immerse them in British life, and re-take citizenship tests every 6 months until they pass

    • Deportation

    2a) People who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if they were found guilty of a crime punishable with prison sentence

    2b) The household who had / whose ancestors had moved to the UK after 1945 would be compelled to leave the country if a member of that household was found guilty of a crime of a very serious nature

    3) PSHE/sex education type lessons would be taken out of school altogether, and incorporated into (regulated) fortnightly youth groups run by young role models on Sunday evenings (akin to Sunday school, keeping the ethical education but dropping the religious slant). School holidays would include time doing Duke of Edinburgh/Scouts stuff, some of it in the community, with these groups

    Your policy makes no sense whatsoever

    1. Why would EVERYONE need to pass a citizenship test? What would happen to a person who DOES have ancestry here, what would happen if they fail?

    2. Don't see the sense of using 1945 as a cutoff date - yes I know that most of the immigrants came after 1945, but I don't see why these should be selected/discriminated against because Britain NEEDED people to rebuild their economy and infrasture after the war

    3. Why would citizens after 1945 have to leave? More importantly, WHERE WOULD THEY GO considering that they would NOT be nationals of most other countries, especially the 2nd and 3rd generation????

    4. Moving an entire HOUSEHOLD because one person committed a crime? I mean...I can't even begin to explain what a daft idea this is. Under no circumstances whatsoever should someone be punished for a crime that they did not commit

    Again, may I point out, that most of these people would be BRITISH CITIZENS, and would have nowhere to go

    This is really poor form. While I have no issues with some form of immigration reform, I would have at least thought that your suggestions would have contained some sense of rationale in them, but it seems they don't unfortunately
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    The waiting list thing sounds very inefficient and would be bad for the economy. During busier periods skilled migrants would be forced to wait many months and the unskilled workers who have jobs lined up will need to get into the country so they can start in time. Same applies for skilled workers who are coming to work for a British company. The whole waiting list bureaucracy is a disaster in waiting and you'll end up with skilled workers going elsewhere and British companies relocating because operating in the UK has become too troublesome.
    These issues you raise are minor and could easily be overcome. I don't think opposing a suggestion of bringing immigration down from 600,000 a year to 10 or 20,000 because of irrelevant points which could easily be overcome is very sensible.

    So what would you propose? Do nothing and continue with an unacceptable status quo because of non relevant minor points.
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    They need people who are multilingual so they can negotiate deals with buyers in Japan/China, they need someone who has lived in Nigeria digging up oil so he can do the same thing in Aberdeen, an expensive hotel which hosts wealthy people will need Indian/Japanese chefs on those specific nights. Music/art/theatre/football/rugby etc. all need world class people working for them who are often from abroad.

    In some cases you might be able to train them here but in most cases they'd simply not be good enough.
    You're living in a dream world. Most new arrivals go straight to the back, sorry FRONT of the benefits queue! Your assessment of reality with all of the 600,000 new arrivals every year going into real jobs that only they can do is about as accurate as the average asylum claim!
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    (Original post by DanRBlake)
    You're living in a dream world. Most new arrivals go straight to the back, sorry FRONT of the benefits queue! Your assessment of reality with all of the 600,000 new arrivals every year going into real jobs that only they can do is about as accurate as the average asylum claim!
    Non-EU migrants are not entitled to any welfare.
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    Ban on all immigration from muslim countries.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    You can pay them to move to anywhere else in the European Union.
    Where to get the money from?
    How to make them to move when they don't want to?
    EU countries will refuse, what to do then?
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    (Original post by DanRBlake)
    You're living in a dream world. Most new arrivals go straight to the back, sorry FRONT of the benefits queue! Your assessment of reality with all of the 600,000 new arrivals every year going into real jobs that only they can do is about as accurate as the average asylum claim!
    How is it possible to be eligible for welfare in the UK if you are an economic migrant from outside the European Union?
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    (Original post by minsat)
    Where to get the money from?
    How to make them to move when they don't want to?
    EU countries will refuse, what to do then?
    They can't refuse. What would they say?
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    (Original post by Vermin)
    Ban on all immigration from muslim countries.
    Muslim-majority? Or Islamic state? This is quite unclear.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Muslim-majority? Or Islamic state? This is quite unclear.
    both.
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    Many asians dont like the idea of immigration too. But like Christians people shouldnt have a problem if they wish to practice their religion in their homes. Also integration doesnt mean having mixed children last time i checked.

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