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Reply 40
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TheHansa
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Original post by Chwirkytheappleboy
I'm not really going anywhere further with it except what I have already said:

* You objectify men
* Objectification can be a form of harrassment

Whether or not you think the specific example I gave is relevant to the discussion is immaterial. Your response primarily focussed on questioning the means by which someone would obtain pictures of you... but what was clear was that you were uncomfortable with the idea of someone objectifying you in that way. That's the only point I wanted to make. Objectification can be construed as harrassment, and that is something that you yourself may be guilty of


You know you've won when they pick at the irrelevant details rather than sniping the main points.
Reply 41
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Idle
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Original post by madders94
I think feminists and people who think like the OP should walk around wearing a sign that says "Don't compliment me you dirty pervert future rapist", so that men know to avoid complimenting those women and normal women can carry on with their normal lives and men can compliment us if they want to.


I agree. The funny thing is I guarantee an extremely good looking guy would get a different reaction to a less than average looking guy by most of these females who apparently have this view. Basically they want to make it a crime for non good looking guys to approach them.
Reply 42
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S-man10
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Original post by Idle
I agree. The funny thing is I guarantee an extremely good looking guy would get a different reaction to a less than average looking guy by most of these females who apparently have this view. Basically they want to make it a crime for non good looking guys to approach them.


From experience and observances, this is more than true and it happens continually. If an average looking guy approached awkwardly, then the reaction would be completely different to a extremely good looking guy approaching awkwardly. :sadnod:
Reply 43
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TheHansa
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Original post by Idle
I agree. The funny thing is I guarantee an extremely good looking guy would get a different reaction to a less than average looking guy by most of these females who apparently have this view. Basically they want to make it a crime for non good looking guys to approach them.


:congrats:

It's only called harassment when it's podgy tradesmen trying their luck.
Reply 44
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ummdhibun
Original post by james1211
If you dress provacatively, you are doing so to attract guys attention. You can't pick and choose which guys will give you the attention because life doesn't work that way, so live it it i say.

Why else would you be dressing provacatively? For your own health?


I agree, If you don't wanna grab a guys attention, then why do you advertise yourself??
Original post by TheHansa
:congrats:

It's only called harassment when it's podgy tradesmen trying their luck.


Fit guy says "Hey baby" = woman flutters eyebrows, giggles and acts all coy and flirty.

Average/less than average guy says "Hey baby" = OMG rapist *pepper spray in eyes and rape alarm activated*
Original post by madders94
I think feminists and people who think like the OP should walk around wearing a sign that says "Don't compliment me you dirty pervert future rapist", so that men know to avoid complimenting those women and normal women can carry on with their normal lives and men can compliment us if they want to.


It´s sad that feminism is being thrown around like a dirty word these days. I don´t want to sound cliched, but you do realise that without feminism you would not have many of the rights that you take for granted? You can forget about university and all your future career plans, without feminism youd be a stay at home mum.
Original post by ummdhibun
I agree, If you don't wanna grab a guys attention, then why do you advertise yourself??


How about if a woman maybe dresses in a way that compliments her figure, but is not overtly sexual, and she still gets obscene comments? It´s been known to happen. I do wonder what these men are trying to achieve, because how often do they receive (positive) attention back? my guess is never.
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Reply 48
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455409
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Original post by madders94
Fit guy says "Hey baby" = woman flutters eyebrows, giggles and acts all coy and flirty.

Average/less than average guy says "Hey baby" = OMG rapist *pepper spray in eyes and rape alarm activated*


Exactly my point. You can't decide it's wrong just because you didn't want it from a particular person.
Reply 49
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ummdhibun
Original post by MrHappy_J
How about if a woman maybe dresses in a way that compliments her figure, but is not overtly sexual, and she still gets obscene comments? It´s been known to happen. I do wonder what these men are trying to achieve, because how often do they receive (positive) attention back? my guess is never.


That depends how you define it, i guess. What is your idea of 'overtly sexual'? Men can get attracted by the slightest of things!
Reply 50
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Lollyage
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Why don't men ever understand that a woman dresses up and wears make up etc to feel attractive and good about herself, not because she WANTS a pack of men following her around going "get your tits out love" :sigh:
Reply 51
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TheHansa
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Original post by MrHappy_J
How about if a woman maybe dresses in a way that compliments her figure, but is not overtly sexual, and she still gets obscene comments? It´s been known to happen. I do wonder what these men are trying to achieve, because how often do they receive (positive) attention back? my guess is never.


It's been done though, other people have made the sacrifices. Feminism is still relevant but slutwalk was not.
Original post by ummdhibun
That depends how you define it, i guess. What is your idea of 'overtly sexual'? Men can get attracted by the slightest of things!



that's really their problem and not one that women should have to suffer. i mean i got unwanted attention once just because i was wearing a dress. no cleavage, nothing shown, it was just a dress! but no, apparently that attracts men like a bull is attracted to the colour red.

it shouldnt be assumed that men are beings that cant repress their sexual instincs, that just shifts responsibility onto women for the way they dress when the reality is so much more complex.
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Original post by MrHappy_J
It´s sad that feminism is being thrown around like a dirty word these days. I don´t want to sound cliched, but you do realise that without feminism you would not have many of the rights that you take for granted? You can forget about university and all your future career plans, without feminism youd be a stay at home mum.


Whilst I'd be perfectly happy being a stay at home Mum, I was referring more to the modern feminists who show the same sort of attitude as the OP - I'm aware not all of them do but on TSR there seems to be a lot who claim to be feminists and believe that a man complimenting them is sexual harrassment.
Original post by madders94
Whilst I'd be perfectly happy being a stay at home Mum, I was referring more to the modern feminists who show the same sort of attitude as the OP - I'm aware not all of them do but on TSR there seems to be a lot who claim to be feminists and believe that a man complimenting them is sexual harrassment.


I´m sorry but I don´t see anything wrong with the OP's "attitude". It seems like she was merely pointing out a programme that she found interesting. :dontknow:

And like someone else said "oi oi sexy" and "get your tits out" are not compliments.
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Reply 55
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ummdhibun
Original post by MrHappy_J
that's really their problem and not one that women should have to suffer. i mean i got unwanted attention once just because i was wearing a dress. no cleavage, nothing shown, it was just a dress! but no, apparently that attracts men like a bull is attracted to the colour red.

it shouldnt be assumed that men are beings that cant repress their sexual instincs, that just shifts responsibility onto women for the way they dress when the reality is so much more complex.


[Bulls aren't attrected to red, btw, they're color-blind] And the modern world isn't helping - with all the sex being so explicitly shown in movies, in books, tv shows, etc. and porn being so easily accessible. Its not helping men in their perverted, over-sexed selves
Reply 56
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S-man10
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Original post by MrHappy_J
It´s sad that feminism is being thrown around like a dirty word these days. I don´t want to sound cliched, but you do realise that without feminism you would not have many of the rights that you take for granted? You can forget about university and all your future career plans, without feminism youd be a stay at home mum.


I'm all for equal right, but the reason I think it is thrown around as a dirty is word is because of the hypotrical double standard it tends to bring sometimes. sad

Original post by MrHappy_J


that's really their problem and not one that women should have to suffer. i mean i got unwanted attention once just because i was wearing a dress. no cleavage, nothing shown, it was just a dress! but no, apparently that attracts men like a bull is attracted to the colour red.

it shouldnt be assumed that men are beings that cant repress their sexual instincs, that just shifts responsibility onto women for the way they dress when the reality is so much more complex.


I'd say here that it is then the women's fault to for her inability to recognise the male arousal system. Males are like switch when it comes to being attracted. It shouldn't be assumed that men can't repress sexual instincts, but this is how the male arousal system is basically.
Original post by S-man10
I'm all for equal right, but the reason I think it is thrown around as a dirty is word is because of the hypotrical double standard it tends to bring sometimes. sad



I'd say here that it is then the women's fault to for her inability to recognise the male arousal system. Males are like switch when it comes to being attracted. It shouldn't be assumed that men can't repress sexual instincts, but this is how the male arousal system is basically.


"male arousal system" lol.

there is no scientific evidence that shows women experience less sexual arousal than men. there´s one reason that men dont repress these obscene comments and that is because it is deemed as permissible because of their oh so incontrollable sex drive. why dont they just get their cocks out while they´re at it??
you seem to be suggesting that unless women dress like the taliban they should expect unwanted attention and thats just something i cant agree with.

if anything the double standard exists in a male dominated society, not in feminism.
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Reply 58
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S-man10
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Original post by MrHappy_J
"male arousal system" lol.

there is no scientific evidence that shows women have less sexual arousal than men. there´s one reason that men dont repress these obscene comments and that is because it is deemed as permissible because of their oh so incontrollable sex drive. why dont they just get their cocks out while they´re at it??


There doesn't have to be but you can observe it everywhere. Getting a male to be aroused is like flipping a switch, getting a female to be aroused is like turning a volume knob. It is the way it is. Women don't have any less sexual arousal than men and I wasn't even talking about more or less arousal; I was talking about how it works to reach their peaks.
Original post by MrHappy_J
I´m sorry but I don´t see anything wrong with the OP's "attitude". It seems like she was merely pointing out a programme that she found interesting. :dontknow:

And like someone else said "oi oi sexy" and "get your tits out" are not compliments.


:facepalm2: Sorry, I'm getting confused with another thread where the OP was complaining about all these things. Apologies to the OP :redface: "get your tits out" isn't a compliment, but a lot of women - mainly the ones who consider themselves feminists - complain if a man so much as looks at them, and if he calls them "beautiful" or "pretty", he may as well be committing verbal rape by their reaction to it, and that's what I object to because it ruins it for the rest of us who do appreciate compliments.

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