Making a facebook status = 4 years. Rape = 5 years.

internetguru

What is up with our legal system?

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Reply 1

WTSFG

What are you on about.. "making a facebook status = 4 years" at least show the newslinks...

Reply 2

TheHansa

Was the status, "doing a crime for which the penalty is 4 years"?

Reply 3

internetguru

Original post by WTSFG

What are you on about.. "making a facebook status = 4 years" at least show the newslinks...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/16/facebook-riot-calls-men-jailed

Reply 4

ROYP

Yeah what was the status? Was it a riot one?

edit: woops, seen the link now

(edited 12 years ago)

Reply 5

Idle

Let's face it, from what I have read it was hardly rape, she can't remember because she was too drunk.

Reply 6

jimcatinnes

What about the guy who killed that man during the riots by punching him in the head, he got 8 years and the guy that set fire to reeves corner got 11.5.

Reply 7

Jackso

Original post by Idle

Let's face it, from what I have read it was hardly rape, she can't remember because she was too drunk.

Thank you.

Reply 8

internetguru

Original post by Idle

Let's face it, from what I have read it was hardly rape, she can't remember because she was too drunk.

I agree but the point still stands he is going to prison for the crime of rape.

Reply 9

dslc

Original post by Idle

Let's face it, from what I have read it was hardly rape, she can't remember because she was too drunk.

Though she is to blame for being in the state she was, you cannot seriously believe that rape is some lawful repercussion for that?

Reply 10

Idle

Original post by internetguru

I agree but the point still stands he is going to prison for the crime of rape.

The judge probably took the circumstances into account.

Reply 11

Idle

Original post by dslc

Though she is to blame for being in the state she was, you cannot seriously believe that rape is some lawful repercussion for that?

No but as I have said in other threads.

I am very drunk and punch someone = My fault in the eyes of the law because I am mentally competent.

I am very drunk and say yes to sex = Not my fault in the eyes of the law because I am not mentally competent.

Reply 12

member520746

Original post by dslc

Though she is to blame for being in the state she was, you cannot seriously believe that rape is some lawful repercussion for that?

Society's still not quite past the point of blaming rape victims rather than rapists, whether it's a short skirt or being drunk or walking through a rough neighbourhood you can be sure someone's got the reason for why the woman is somehow at fault and the man was a victim of his cock

Reply 13

dslc

Original post by Idle

Apologies, I hadn't read that she had supposedly said yes to it. Is this true, or just a means of making your point?

Reply 14

ForKicks

It is clearly a deterrent sentence. All riot sentences were very high in order to send out a message, it was quite a massive act of civil disobedience!

Reply 15

dslc

Original post by JCC-MGS

I completely agree.

Reply 16

InnerTemple

The sentences related to the riots were, essentially, inflated.

Reply 17

c471

Original post by dslc

Apologies, I hadn't read that she had supposedly said yes to it. Is this true, or just a means of making your point?

well, according to his testimony, he joined in with her consent.
The guy who brought her back was acquittted, the guy who joined later in the act was jailed.
I think if we are being honest, she obviously offered no resistance, and as one was acquitted, clearly mentally stable enough to engage in.

no injuries, no reports of her resisting, no real sign she was forced, or unable to respond.

I think perhaps the issue that she consented to a 3some was seen as far more seedy and she was less likely to have gone along with that of her own will, and more likely to have been able to turn it down. This is the only mindset of the jury which i can see rationalising the decision.

Reply 18

xDave-

Original post by JCC-MGS

Saying someone made themselves vulnerable doesn't mean people condone rape. It's this same ignorance and naivety that gets people in these situations, thinking that the world is full of ponies and rainbows, and they can just do whatever they want and no one will hurt them. Obviously the rapist (or mugger, or attacker, or murderer etc) is the criminal and is at fault, does that even need to be said? The world is full of horrible people, recognise that and take precautions. That doesn't mean to say you still can't be attacked, not at all. But it does lower the odds of an attack happening, and you'll have to be the one to do that as no one else is watching your back.