V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012
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View Poll Results: Should this bill be passed into law?
As many are of the opinion, Aye 38 88.37% On the contrary, No 4 9.30% Abstain 1 2.33%
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Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012Why are you opposed to 2(d)?(Original post by HarveyCanis)
I'm completely opposed to 2 d), so I'm against this. -
Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012I feel, despite the evidence, to tell all gay men not to have sex for 12 months in order to donate blood is deeply discriminatory.(Original post by JPKC)
Why are you opposed to 2(d)? -
Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012If we grant full equality in that respect by reducing the time period for gay/bisexual men, then we will increase the number of blood samples with HIV.(Original post by HarveyCanis)
I feel, despite the evidence, to tell all gay men not to have sex for 12 months in order to donate blood is deeply discriminatory.
If we grant full equality in that respect by increasing the time period for heterosexual men, then we will decrease the amount of blood available.
Which would you prefer? -
Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012Not all gay people have HIV.......(Original post by TopHat)
If we grant full equality in that respect by reducing the time period for gay/bisexual men, then we will increase the number of blood samples with HIV.
If we grant full equality in that respect by increasing the time period for heterosexual men, then we will decrease the amount of blood available.
Which would you prefer?
Just make people have a blood test every 3 or so years if they want to donate blood. -
Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012No, not all gay/bisexual men have HIV. If they all did, we wouldn't allow them to donate at all. What they do have is a statistically higher chance of having HIV.(Original post by MacCuishy)
Not all gay people have HIV.......
That would not be sufficient. Please read the SaBTO link.Just make people have a blood test every 3 or so years if they want to donate blood. -
Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012More straight people have HIV.(Original post by TopHat)
No, not all gay/bisexual men have HIV. If they all did, we wouldn't allow them to donate at all. What they do have is a statistically higher chance of having HIV.
That would not be sufficient. Please read the SaBTO link.
Can't be bothered really. -
Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012Yes, but that's because there are more heterosexual men. As a proportion, more gay/bisexual men carry HIV than heterosexual men.(Original post by MacCuishy)
More straight people have HIV.
So rather than go by medical opinion, you prefer to use gut instinct?Can't be bothered really. -
Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012That's because more people identify as straight.
However, the number is still significanctly high within the MSM category, who are recognised as a minority group.
Let us say that hypothetically a gay male and a straight male both sleep with 30 people over a 6 month period. Statistically the gay male is likely to encounter a HIV+ partner before the straight male does and may even encounter numerous partners with HIV, as the transmission rate is significantly higher than heterosexual groups. Sure, the first person the straight guy sleeps with may be HIV+, but you can't create guidelines based on all the vast possibilities which determine risk of HIV exposure. Instead it has to be guided by numbers, and the numbers clearly highlight that MSM donors are at considerably more risk than heterosexual donors. -
Re: V428 - Blood Donation Bill 2012Believe the attempt to liberalise in favour of gays keeps pretty much all discrimination in practice. Most gay men will have had sex in the past year. That said, I was only voting against because of this principle - I commend the attempt to liberalise and stop the discrimination against gays, and would have voted for had it been a close-run thing.(Original post by JPKC)
Why've you voted against?