Two EDL members murdered a disabled man

Original post by f1mad

The first video is ****ing hilarious lmfao what a clown :rofl:

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"Why don't they build mosques in Mecca," the guy falling off the roof in a rally ...there are so many hilarious ones. You gotta give it to them, their members have a lot of energy it's just misdirected. You can't blame all your social problems (economic, housing, education, health etc) on immigrants and Muslims. Looking for a scapegoat that's all.

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Original post by Steevee

They had 'links-to'.

Like Anders Breivik? Who actually was not a member but had talked to some members? Try harder AK.

'Links to Al-Qaeda' is a phrase used with regularity in the media. Whether there are any links (maybe they hit their Facebook page?) seems to become irrelevant and achieves the objective: public sympathy and hatred in equal measure. It's like calling rape, you're tainted either way and you're guilty until proven innocent.

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Original post by Steevee

They had 'links-to'.

Like Anders Breivik? Who actually was not a member but had talked to some members? Try harder AK.

The EDL don't have "members" the term is meaningless.

For example they "expelled" the Jewish Division then two weeks later Stephen Yaxley-Lennon turned up at a demo with the leader of the Jwish Division

^Roberta Moore - who is a big fan of various terrorists and of Anders Breivik:

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Carecup

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It scares me that there are people like Roberta who is able to justify in their twisted little mind the mass murder of 77~ teenagers.

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OP

Original post by silent ninja

'Links to Al-Qaeda' is a phrase used with regularity in the media. Whether there are any links (maybe they hit their Facebook page?) seems to become irrelevant and achieves the objective: public sympathy and hatred in equal measure. It's like calling rape, you're tainted either way and you're guilty until proven innocent.

Muslims with 'links to terrorist group' without evidence = Guantanamo Bay.

Chavs with 'links to EDL' = walking on British streets beating up our citizens and so many people defending them with "omg its only 'links to' ", lol.

Funny, right? :tongue:

Original post by Steevee

They had 'links-to'.

Like Anders Breivik? Who actually was not a member but had talked to some members? Try harder AK.

Thank you for expressing your sympathy against this heinous crime :smile:

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Steevee

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Original post by silent ninja

'Links to Al-Qaeda' is a phrase used with regularity in the media. Whether there are any links (maybe they hit their Facebook page?) seems to become irrelevant and achieves the objective: public sympathy and hatred in equal measure. It's like calling rape, you're tainted either way and you're guilty until proven innocent.

And those links are normally quantified in the later article. Can we quantify the 'links' these two chaps have? For instance, we know Babar Ahmeds' 'links' were that he activley operated a website that's purpose was to link Jihadists around the world and to facilitate sharing of illegal material. That there is quite a clear link, involving him in a crime. So again, quantify the link please.

Original post by ak137

Muslims with 'links to terrorist group' without evidence = Guantanamo Bay.

Chavs with 'links to EDL' = walking on British streets beating up our citizens and so many people defending them with "omg its only 'links to' ", lol.

Funny, right? :tongue:

Thank you for expressing your sympathy against this heinous crime :smile:

'Links to Terrorist group' with evidence and CIA/FBI intel = Guantanamo Bay

'Links to the EDL' what links? = nothing, because the EDL are not a terrorist organisation :smile:

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Original post by Steevee

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Nice to know you've condemned this awful crime :smile:

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Original post by Steevee

And those links are normally quantified in the later article. Can we quantify the 'links' these two chaps have? For instance, we know Babar Ahmeds' 'links' were that he activley operated a website that's purpose was to link Jihadists around the world and to facilitate sharing of illegal material. That there is quite a clear link, involving him in a crime. So again, quantify the link please.

'Links to Terrorist group' with evidence and CIA/FBI intel = Guantanamo Bay

'Links to the EDL' what links? = nothing, because the EDL are not a terrorist organisation :smile:

If Babar Ahmed had done that he would've been found guilty in British courts. He has not been found guilty of any crime. Let's not forget that.

If everybody in Guantanamo is guilty with CIA/FBI evidence, why have so many been freed and proved their innocence after years of incarceration? Why the need for illegitimate extraordinary rendition if there is evidence -- why not charge them in home countries? Double standards.

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Original post by ak137

Muslims with 'links to terrorist group' without evidence = Guantanamo Bay.

Chavs with 'links to EDL' = walking on British streets beating up our citizens and so many people defending them with "omg its only 'links to' ", lol.

Funny, right? :tongue:

Thank you for expressing your sympathy against this heinous crime :smile:

get over yourself. edl arnt a terrorist organisation they are a fringe movement. having edl sympathies is no where near as serious as having al queda sympathies likewise being a full frontal EDL member is nowhere near as dangerous as being an al queda one. Why cant you contemplate this because you hate the english and love muslims?

if this crime was committed because of the EDLs beliefs why was it a disabled man who was killed and not a muslim? grow up.

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CurlyBen

Original post by SophiaKeuning

Of course it's relevant. No not every significantly sized organisation has murderers. Let's not pretend here, the EDL does have a more aggressive/violent edge than say, the society againts trees being cut down or whatever.

It's as relevant as which football team they support. Firstly, read what I wrote, not what you'd like me to have written - I said every organisation of a significant size will have unpleasant members. In this case, they're murderers. The Labour party has a quite a number of paedophiles and rapists amongst it's members chosen to stand for public office. Any other organisation will, if you dig deep enough, have some members with an unsavoury past. However, this is irrelevant unless the organisation was in some way, intentionally or not, responsible for those individuals performing those acts or encouraging them to think in a way that led them to perform those acts. There's no evidence the EDL had anything whatsoever to do with this callous crime (at least none presented, and I'm sure if it existed it would have been presented). In any case, the EDL doesn't have formal membership so how is it known they were members? According to Wikipedia the membership of EDL could be anywhere between 25,000 and 100,000 but there's no membership list as such.

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The_Internet

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Original post by badcheesecrispy

get over yourself. edl arnt a terrorist organisation they are a fringe movement. having edl sympathies is no where near as serious as having al queda sympathies likewise being a full frontal EDL member is nowhere near as dangerous as being an al queda one. Why cant you contemplate this because you hate the english and love muslims?

if this crime was committed because of the EDLs beliefs why was it a disabled man who was killed and not a muslim? grow up.

How did you get from disliking the EDL to hating English people? You'd make a great Fox news reporter

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Original post by de_monies

How did you get from disliking the EDL to hating English people? You'd make a great Fox news reporter

the person brought edl into it to have a stab at these types of people who oppose mass immigration and muslimication of the uk. The crime in question was nothing to do with the EDL or their message yet they still post propaganda to make people think it does. They hate anyone who tries to defend the country from medieval change

Reply 32

OP

Original post by badcheesecrispy

get over yourself. edl arnt a terrorist organisation they are a fringe movement. having edl sympathies is no where near as serious as having al queda sympathies likewise being a full frontal EDL member is nowhere near as dangerous as being an al queda one. Why cant you contemplate this because you hate the english and love muslims?

if this crime was committed because of the EDLs beliefs why was it a disabled man who was killed and not a muslim? grow up.

EDL are scum and they'll kill anyone regardless. They're scum like that :smile:

Original post by de_monies

How did you get from disliking the EDL to hating English people? You'd make a great Fox news reporter

Lol yep, I was thinking the same. :rolleyes:

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Original post by silent ninja

If Babar Ahmed had done that he would've been found guilty in British courts. He has not been found guilty of any crime. Let's not forget that.

If everybody in Guantanamo is guilty with CIA/FBI evidence, why have so many been freed and proved their innocence after years of incarceration? Why the need for illegitimate extraordinary rendition if there is evidence -- why not charge them in home countries? Double standards.

because the US will extradict anyone thought to be involved in terrorism or plots on their land/bases. this includes those from invaded countries and the EU. boo hoo.

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Original post by ak137

EDL are scum and they'll kill anyone regardless. They're scum like that :smile:

Lol yep, I was thinking the same. :rolleyes:

Great answer, come back with some thing better this time. in this case, because 2 football hooligans have killed a DISABLED PERSON (not a muslim, wonder what their motive was then?), means the EDL members are all murderers.

oh well in this case anyone with jihad sympathies is also a murderer. lock em all up eh bro?

your comment here is so stupid its unbelievable.

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Original post by badcheesecrispy

because the US will extradict anyone thought to be involved in terrorism or plots on their land/bases. this includes those from invaded countries and the EU. boo hoo.

illegally 'extradite' = extraordinary rendition = kidnap. Yep, glad you condone that. If they had evidence they'd try them on home land, not ship them off to Algeria or Egypt to be tortured first.

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OP

Original post by badcheesecrispy

Great answer, come back with some thing better this time. in this case, because 2 football hooligans have killed a DISABLED PERSON (not a muslim, wonder what their motive was then?), means the EDL members are all murderers.

oh well in this case anyone with jihad sympathies is also a murderer. lock em all up eh bro?

your comment here is so stupid its unbelievable.

Dont blame yourself for the faults of the Education Deprived Lunatics :smile:

"muslimication" perfect example :smile:

Im sure EDL is enjoying watching their right hand man, Breivik :smile:

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The_Internet

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Original post by badcheesecrispy

the person brought edl into it to have a stab at these types of people who oppose mass immigration and muslimication of the uk. The crime in question was nothing to do with the EDL or their message yet they still post propaganda to make people think it does. They hate anyone who tries to defend the country from medieval change

OK, so that's what you believe about the EDL but still how do you get from disliking the EDL = hating all English people?

Seriously, all I can think of with that post was
[video="youtube;3qHiqcb8sCY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qHiqcb8sCY[/video]

Just replace America with "the English"

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Original post by CurlyBen

No doubt it was a terrible crime, but what relevance is their membership of the EDL? Any organisation of a significant size will have at least a few unpleasant people in it.

Yet when Muslims say that it doesn't apply then. Double standards yeah

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