If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..

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  1. jayne.corr's Avatar
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    Yes. Entirely. It will be much happier. I will be much happier. It's life potential will be much much more.

    I would love it the same if I had the child but if it was within the legal time limit of abortion, i'd get rid so quickly.
  2. Idle's Avatar
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    No, its not. If you're really interested in this, I can recommend the work of Richard Bentall
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...ia?INTCMP=SRCH

    or John Read, Loren Mosher et al

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Models-Madne.../dp/1583919066

    or Dr Joanna Moncrieff
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8138893.stm


    etc
    Negged for posting 3 sources which at no point say schizophrenia is not at least in part hereditary.

    http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/arti...9&journalID=13

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0320095646.htm

    http://www.everydayhealth.com/schizo...zophrenia.aspx
  3. xoxAngel_Kxox's Avatar
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    Individuals with properly managed schizophrenia (ie medicated) can live normal and fantastic lives. So no, I wouldn't.
  4. I<3LAMP's Avatar
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    NO.
  5. justmyopinions's Avatar
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    no :/
  6. Kibalchich's Avatar
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    (Original post by Idle)
    Negged for posting 3 sources which at no point say schizophrenia is not at least in part hereditary.

    http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/arti...9&journalID=13

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0320095646.htm

    http://www.everydayhealth.com/schizo...zophrenia.aspx
    There is lots of work critiquing these studies.

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=e...%20the&f=false


    there's not even any agreement on what schizophrenia means, as I said earlier, its a fairly arbitary category
  7. The_Lonely_Goatherd's Avatar
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    (Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
    How does your condition affect you (if at all)? I don't want to be intrusive, just curious..
    Well it completely ruined my Finals (as you can see from my sig) and meant I had to pull out of Goldsmiths for a while during my first year. More generally, I used to hear a variety of voices constantly throughout the day, everyday. Mostly they'd talk to me but sometimes they would have screaming matches across my head, yelling at each other. Most of them spoke English but some of them spoke in pictures/illusions, or in a language that wasn't any recognisable language and that I couldn't understand. This was especially scary. Think Harry Potter Parseltongue but very loud, echoing and something you're not able to understand

    It was very disturbing and distracting and lead to low motivation to do anything (because the voices would make it too hard) and made it difficult to concentrate. I was very suicidal. I would have delusional ideas (e.g. people being angels) and would self-harm. I'd get agoraphobia and being outside would lead me to get confused about where I was/what I was doing/where I was going. That or I'd see tall buildings falling towards me (this was when I was working at the Barbican, so being around that area only made it worse) or think I was in some kinda Dr Who dystopia. There were days on end where I'd refuse to leave my room for anything other than the bathroom and to get food (then I'd run back to bed). I'd just have to sit in my bed in the dark because anything else would be too dangerous.

    A lot of the psychotic stuff happened either in my Oxford college chapel or in one of the (many!) libraries there, so I have a huge fear of churches, chapels and academic libraries. I tend to have to avoid them at all costs because the psychosis flares up really badly when I'm in these places. So I've avoided using the Goldsmiths library as much as possible and have refused to join Senate House. Luckily for me, this hasn't been too problematic.

    Since we found the right antipsychotic last August, 90% of the symptoms have gone and the remaining 10% my psychiatrist doesn't think he can do anything about, so that's left for non-medical professionals to deal with.

    Hope that gives you enough of an insight :yes: Bear in mind that I'm a high functioning, very self-aware schizoaffective person :yes:
    Last edited by The_Lonely_Goatherd; 26-04-2012 at 17:10.
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    There isn't because no mental illness is indepdent of environment; one may have a physiological predisposition, but certain environments are more likely to cause that to be expressed or not.
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    (Original post by ckingalt)
    I could never support the decision to abort any child that I was the father of (Im not anti-abortion, it's just a personal choice).

    However if I felt otherwise, I would consider aborting a child who is likely to be a danger to themselves and others for the rest of their lives is a better justification that aborting a child because you don't feel prepared to be a parent.
    erm, i think for schizophrenia it has been found that they aren't a danger to others , that is a big misconception

    personally i wouldn't want to abort any child unless they were said to have a genetic disease that would cause them to be in pain for the majority of their life as i dont think id be able to bare my children or anyone i love in pain like that..
    whether that is selfish i dunno
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    Well it completely ruined my Finals (as you can see from my sig) and meant I had to pull out of Goldsmiths for a while during my first year. More generally, I used to hear a variety of voices constantly throughout the day, everyday. Mostly they'd talk to me but sometimes they would have screaming matches across my head, yelling at each other. Most of them spoke English but some of them spoke in pictures/illusions, or in a language that wasn't any recognisable language and that I couldn't understand. This was especially scary. Think Harry Potter Parseltongue but very loud, echoing and something you're not able to understand

    It was very disturbing and distracting and lead to low motivation to do anything (because the voices would make it too hard) and made it difficult to concentrate. I was very suicidal. I would have delusional ideas (e.g. people being angels) and would self-harm. I'd get agoraphobia and being outside would lead me to get confused about where I was/what I was doing/where I was going. That or I'd see tall buildings falling towards me (this was when I was working at the Barbican, so being around that area only made it worse) or think I was in some kinda Dr Who dystopia. There were days on end where I'd refuse to leave my room for anything other than the bathroom and to get food (then I'd run back to bed). I'd just have to sit in my bed in the dark because anything else would be too dangerous.

    A lot of the psychotic stuff happened either in my Oxford college chapel or in one of the (many!) libraries there, so I have a huge fear of churches, chapels and academic libraries. I tend to have to avoid them at all costs because the psychosis flares up really badly when I'm in these places. So I've avoided using the Goldsmiths library as much as possible and have refused to join Senate House. Luckily for me, this hasn't been too problematic.

    Since we found the right antipsychotic last August, 90% of the symptoms have gone and the remaining 10% my psychiatrist doesn't think he can do anything about, so that's left for non-medical professionals to deal with.

    Hope that gives you enough of an insight :yes: Bear in mind that I'm a high functioning, very self-aware schizoaffective person :yes:
    Thanks for the lengthy reply. Hope you get better soon
  11. cl_steele's Avatar
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    Re: If there was a pre birth test for schizophrenia..
    since this is purely hypothetical, yes i would. from what limited instances ive seen of speople with with aforementioned condition it doesnt look pleasant at all to live with for the person or their family. but hey who knows ones opinion might well change.
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