[Darth Vader 7]

(Original post by T.Adams VI)
We need a backup RB, someone cultured like Corluka who can do a job.

£5m should be enough.

We also need to get rid of the dead wood. Arshavin, Park, Bendtner, Denilson, Squillaci and Chamakh are taking forever to sell!

Wenger has already confirmed that Park, Bendtner and Squillaci will not be Arsenal players at the end of the window.

From what I can gather, Bendtner is just mulling over his offers from the likes of Milan, Dortmund etc.

Squillaci will most likely be paid off so he can join a club at his standard

Park, I really have no clue but Wenger must be confident to openly state it.

Arshavin might leave or might not according to Wenger. Most likely explanation is that no one really can match Arshavin's wage demand. However, his agent thinks otherwise expecting the Russian to depart from the Gunners.

Denilson is on loan so his wages are being taken care of.

Chamakh will most likely stay. If RVP goes, Wenger might use him as our starter for the first game *shudders*. That's almost as bad as starting with Carroll

So it's not too bad. However, nothing is confirmed yet but it looks quite promising.

[AaronM1D1]

(Original post by T.Adams VI)
We also need to get rid of the dead wood. Arshavin, Park, Bendtner, Denilson, Squillaci and Chamakh are taking forever to sell!

WHY PARK DAMMIT? He came on against Bolton, scored, then only made a couple more cameos against United and AC Milan. I don't get why Wenger plays Chamakh ahead of him? From what I saw of him at Monaco he should be on that subs bench!

[Zürich]

(Original post by AaronM1D1)
WHY PARK DAMMIT? He came on against Bolton, scored, then only made a couple more cameos against United and AC Milan. I don't get why Wenger plays Chamakh ahead of him? From what I saw of him at Monaco he should be on that subs bench!

Wenger sees the guy in training every week and he must see some problems. Remember clearly against AC Milan, when we were going for the 4th goal, a moment when Park peeled off on the left wing unmarked and screaming for the ball. Song took one look at him and instantly decided to look for options down the right. Says it all really, he doesn't have the confidence of the manager or the players.

We got him for next to nothing, and his value has probably increased with his exemption from Korean military service, so its no biggie.

[Darth Vader 7]

Guardian are saying that we bought Cazorla for £16m. So there is quite a bit of conflicting information from England and Spain.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...bin-van-persie

It also specifies the fact that he had his medical today and will most likely be at Cologne. Great stuff.

[TheInvincibles14]

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
Guardian are saying that we bought Cazorla for £16m. So there is quite a bit of conflicting information from England and Spain.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...bin-van-persie

It also specifies the fact that he had his medical today and will most likely be at Cologne. Great stuff.

£16m is still a bargain tbh. Isn't that what United paid for Kagawa too? I think both player's could have a similar impact on their respective teams. When you look at what Chelsea paid for Hazard (£32m), we've got a bargain in Santi. I personally believe Santi is as good as the likes of Mata and Silva. He just hasn't had the chance to demonstrate his talent at a top club and been under the radar for the majority of his career.

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Would'v loved Corluka. Massively underrated by Harry it's a crime really. But he's gone to Lokomotiv so won't be coming.

[TheInvincibles14]

Benik Afobe has gone to Bolton on loan for the season. Hopefully he can have a similar impact to Wilshere, Sturridge and to a lesser extent Miyaichi.

[Darth Vader 7]

(Original post by TheInvincibles14)
£16m is still a bargain tbh. Isn't that what United paid for Kagawa too? I think both player's could have a similar impact on their respective teams. When you look at what Chelsea paid for Hazard (£32m), we've got a bargain in Santi. I personally believe Santi is as good as the likes of Mata and Silva. He just hasn't had the chance to demonstrate his talent at a top club and been under the radar for the majority of his career.

Well he hasn't gone under the radar in Spain. 4th highest rated player in La Liga last season (via whoscored) as well as being offered the opportunity to join Madrid two seasons ago.

His talent is clearly valued in Spain.

Hazard's price was so high because he is still very young. He has the potential to become the best midfielder in the world in 4-5 years time.

[the_gooner]

(Original post by TheInvincibles14)
£16m is still a bargain tbh. Isn't that what United paid for Kagawa too? I think both player's could have a similar impact on their respective teams. When you look at what Chelsea paid for Hazard (£32m), we've got a bargain in Santi. I personally believe Santi is as good as the likes of Mata and Silva. He just hasn't had the chance to demonstrate his talent at a top club and been under the radar for the majority of his career.

You're going to get murdered on here for comparing a mere mortal like Cazorla to Silva lol. I agree with you though

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by TheInvincibles14)
£16m is still a bargain tbh. Isn't that what United paid for Kagawa too? I think both player's could have a similar impact on their respective teams. When you look at what Chelsea paid for Hazard (£32m), we've got a bargain in Santi. I personally believe Santi is as good as the likes of Mata and Silva. He just hasn't had the chance to demonstrate his talent at a top club and been under the radar for the majority of his career.

£12m initial fee, possibly rising to £17m with add-ons. Silva is a class above both Mata and Cazorla (and Kagawa).

[Isometrix]

(Original post by TheInvincibles14)
£16m is still a bargain tbh. Isn't that what United paid for Kagawa too? I think both player's could have a similar impact on their respective teams. When you look at what Chelsea paid for Hazard (£32m), we've got a bargain in Santi. I personally believe Santi is as good as the likes of Mata and Silva. He just hasn't had the chance to demonstrate his talent at a top club and been under the radar for the majority of his career.

Mata and Silva are a class above Cazorla (Silva even more than Mata at times). How can you call it a bargain signing without even seeing how well he does at Arsenal? For all you know Hazard could be a bargain if he ends up becoming one of the best players in the world.

[Straight up G]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
£12m initial fee, possibly rising to £17m with add-ons. Silva is a class above both Mata and Cazorla (and Kagawa).

Mata got 19 assists last year. 19! Silva is not a class above that. You could argue slightly better, but not a class above.

[rickjames]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
£12m initial fee, possibly rising to £17m with add-ons. Silva is a class above both Mata and Cazorla (and Kagawa).

Thats not fair considering Kagawa is 23, and arguably the greatest player of the Bundasliga last season whilst Silva is 26 with a couple of premier league seasons under his belt.

It would be interesting to see exactly how Kagawa settles into the premier league, and whether he can match Silva's impact. Until then I'm reserving judgement on the gulf between the two.

[Complex Simplicity]

(Original post by Straight up G)
Mata got 19 assists last year. 19! Silva is not a class above that. You could argue slightly better, but not a class above.

Silva is amazing but I personally would rather have Mata, he seems more productive in the final third. More clinical. Silva has more flair but Mata is more efficient. At arsenal we could do with a more clinical player so out of the two I would rather have Mata.

[Zürich]

Cesc Fabregas>>>Silva/Mata/Cazorla

[TheInvincibles14]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
£12m initial fee, possibly rising to £17m with add-ons. Silva is a class above both Mata and Cazorla (and Kagawa).

I don't think so. Silva was non-existent at the end of last season and labelling him a class above Mata when the latter was more productive last season does him a disservice. Regarding Cazorla and Kagawa we need to reserve judgement and see what they can do in the PL, a league in which both are unproven.

(Original post by Isometrix)
Mata and Silva are a class above Cazorla (Silva even more than Mata at times). How can you call it a bargain signing without even seeing how well he does at Arsenal? For all you know Hazard could be a bargain if he ends up becoming one of the best players in the world.

You probably haven't even seen Cazorla play often so you don't know what he's capable of, for the price I think Arsenal have got a bargain because we're buying a player who's at his peak and someone who could push us on from finishing in the top four to challenging for the title. The thing is, Hazard could be a flop at Chelsea because he's only ever played in Ligue 1. Santi has played in La Liga for the majority of his career and has been labelled as the best player in the league who isn't playing for Madrid or Barca.

[Kevmeister]

(Original post by TheInvincibles14)
I don't think so. Silva was non-existent at the end of last season and labelling him a class above Mata when the latter was more productive last season does him a disservice. Regarding Cazorla and Kagawa we need to reserve judgement and see what they can do in the PL, a league in which both are unproven.

Yeah, 3 assists and 1 goal in City's last six games. Definitely non-existent.

[antonfigo]

Realistically for the beginning of the season :

---------Podolski-------
Gerv---Cazorla---Theo
------Song-Arteta-----
Gibbs-Kos-Verm-Jenk
---------SCZC----------

Bench : Santos,AOC,Ramsey,Diaby,Mert,Gir oud

Decent team and depth. I'd still worry about fullback position though.

On the other side , I think it would be very cool to see santos as a winger.

---------Podolski-------
Santos---Cazorla---Gerv/Theo
------Song-Arteta-----
Gibbs-Kos-Verm-Jenk
---------SCZC----------

[TheInvincibles14]

(Original post by Kevmeister)
Yeah, 3 assists and 1 goal in City's last six games. Definitely non-existent.

Yeah and that contribution won the title for City

[TheInvincibles14]

(Original post by antonfigo)
Realistically for the beginning of the season :

---------Podolski-------
Gerv---Cazorla---Theo
------Song-Arteta-----
Gibbs-Kos-Verm-Jenk
---------SCZC----------

Bench : Santos,AOC,Ramsey,Diaby,Mert,Gir oud

Decent team and depth. I'd still worry about fullback position though.

On the other side , I think it would be very cool to see santos as a winger.

---------Podolski-------
Santos---Cazorla---Gerv/Theo
------Song-Arteta-----
Gibbs-Kos-Verm-Jenk
---------SCZC----------

Coq as RB instead of Jenks. You forgot Sahin, I imagine he'll be out third choice DM next season. Considering we play around 50 games per season, he should still a good amount of playing time. We also get a lot of injuries so it's good to have some depth for once.