[Spaz Man]

As a Liverpool fan I think Arsenal could challenge for the title this year if they play their cards right. If I were you, I'd force RVP to stay for another year. That attack could get 2nd or 1st place and he would want to stay the following summer. Anything's better than selling him to bloody Utd.

[Mcnubn]

well if we do keep rvp, the title race could be very exciting assuming that new signings hit the ground running with our new additions, chelsea's big spending, kagawa strengthening utd and city's current squad...proper excited about this season...

now to try find a sports channel in china :<

[T.Adams VI]

I'd rather sell to Juve for £15m. No way on earth can we sell him to another premiership team.

This can't happen every summer, someone needs to be made an example of.

[Peggles_*]

RVP to United would just be wrong, so wrong. Our captain, our leader jumping ship to not only another premiership team but one of our traditional rivals, possibly the biggest alongside the Spuds. This move would only signify the massive decline of Arsenal as this would never have happened during the height of the Wenger/Fergie rivalry back in the day.

This would hurt more than the Nasri move to City because in comparison to United, they are just small fry, and have no history with us, just a history of stealing our players, unlike United who we have or now had a rivalry with.

When the Wenger/Fergie rivalry was at its peak, both parties would never have fathomed the idea of bidding for the opposites top player, not out of respect, but just the idea itself was ridiculous and it would just be rebuffed and dismissed without consideration. Now, it’s almost acceptable for other top clubs to come in and take our best players because we can’t offer them what they want.

I understand he wants out and so cashing in and getting around £15-20 million on a player who is relatively old in football terms, injury prone and is unlikely to score 30+ goals again would be a smartish move, but it would still hurt. If this transfer was to go through, it would show the ambition, or of lack from the board. They would allow our best player, the player who would give us the best opportunity to win trophies next season to leave and strengthen those we want to be competing against, that’s not right.

I just hope RVP sees sense and goes abroad. He needs realises that going to United wouldn’t be wise, as he would only widen the gap between us and them, put another nail in our coffin and would go from being adored by arsenal fans to being hated, possibly more than Nasri and Cole.

Lord have mercy, I can’t wait until the transfer window is over.

[AaronM1D1]

Deadline Day this year is going to be unreal. So keen.

If RVP stays, hats-off to him. If he goes to Juve, all the best. If he goes to United, he's a git.

^Generalised fan mentality.

[Manchester United]

(Original post by Peggles_*)
RVP to United would just be wrong, so wrong. Our captain, our leader jumping ship to not only another premiership team but one of our traditional rivals, possibly the biggest alongside the Spuds. This move would only signify the massive decline of Arsenal as this would never have happened during the height of the Wenger/Fergie rivalry back in the day.

This would hurt more than the Nasri move to City because in comparison to United, they are just small fry, and have no history with us, just a history of stealing our players, unlike United who we have or now had a rivalry with.

When the Wenger/Fergie rivalry was at its peak, both parties would never have fathomed the idea of bidding for the opposites top player, not out of respect, but just the idea itself was ridiculous and it would just be rebuffed and dismissed without consideration. Now, it’s almost acceptable for other top clubs to come in and take our best players because we can’t offer them what they want.

I understand he wants out and so cashing in and getting around £15-20 million on a player who is relatively old in football terms, injury prone and is unlikely to score 30+ goals again would be a smartish move, but it would still hurt. If this transfer was to go through, it would show the ambition, or of lack from the board. They would allow our best player, the player who would give us the best opportunity to win trophies next season to leave and strengthen those we want to be competing against, that’s not right.

I just hope RVP sees sense and goes abroad. He needs realises that going to United wouldn’t be wise, as he would only widen the gap between us and them, put another nail in our coffin and would go from being adored by arsenal fans to being hated, possibly more than Nasri and Cole.

Lord have mercy, I can’t wait until the transfer window is over.

As a united fan, I agree that selling RVP to us would say a lot about the ambitions of arsenal. I think Arsenal should have whacked a 15m price tag on any European clubs after RVP and a 20m price tag for any premiership club. This would increase the probability of him exiting the premiership; if he was to go.

Although, on the bright side, it would be better to sell him to us, rather than to; Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea or Spurs. I say this because they're the clubs you will most likely be competing with this year. I think 3rd would be a reasonable target for Arsenal this year, or 4th if they sell RVP. Either way, you need to be in Europe.

PS: If I'm being honest, I think the rivalry we used to have with Arsenal was the best. Why? Well, I respected Arsenal. They found a great set of players, raised them and created an awesome style of football. This is in complete contrast to Chelsea and Manchester City (our current rivals).

[Darth Vader 7]

(Original post by CB91)
Madrid will only want him if Mourinho leaves, which is very unlikely any time soon.

And we don't want or need him. We've got a young coach that knows the players, playing philosophy and academy inside out.

When has Mourinho actually stayed with a club through a sustained period? I highly doubt that he'll be with Madrid in two years time.

Vilanova is highly unproven and although he could reproduce the mastery of Guardiola, there is no guarantee.

Only one club can be successful in Spain. As a result, the opposing team will do everything to return to winning ways and if Wenger is available, you would be silly to reject that opportunity.

[vn2009]

(Original post by Peggles_*)
RVP to United would just be wrong, so wrong. Our captain, our leader jumping ship to not only another premiership team but one of our traditional rivals, possibly the biggest alongside the Spuds. This move would only signify the massive decline of Arsenal as this would never have happened during the height of the Wenger/Fergie rivalry back in the day.

This would hurt more than the Nasri move to City because in comparison to United, they are just small fry, and have no history with us, just a history of stealing our players, unlike United who we have or now had a rivalry with.

When the Wenger/Fergie rivalry was at its peak, both parties would never have fathomed the idea of bidding for the opposites top player, not out of respect, but just the idea itself was ridiculous and it would just be rebuffed and dismissed without consideration. Now, it’s almost acceptable for other top clubs to come in and take our best players because we can’t offer them what they want.

I understand he wants out and so cashing in and getting around £15-20 million on a player who is relatively old in football terms, injury prone and is unlikely to score 30+ goals again would be a smartish move, but it would still hurt. If this transfer was to go through, it would show the ambition, or of lack from the board. They would allow our best player, the player who would give us the best opportunity to win trophies next season to leave and strengthen those we want to be competing against, that’s not right.

I just hope RVP sees sense and goes abroad. He needs realises that going to United wouldn’t be wise, as he would only widen the gap between us and them, put another nail in our coffin and would go from being adored by arsenal fans to being hated, possibly more than Nasri and Cole.

Lord have mercy, I can’t wait until the transfer window is over.

Theres no way there would be more hate for rvp than cole

Cole is a two-faced, money grabbing whore! And thats putting it lightly I hate that guy!

[AaronM1D1]

(Original post by vn2009)
Cole is a two-faced, money grabbing whore! And thats putting it lightly I hate that guy!

Ca$hley Cole and Samir Na$ri. Not to mention Adeba¥or.

Money talks. I like Usmanov, he wants to compete for top accolades but without getting us to spend stupid money. He will give us a decent pot and is passionate about the club. He knows what the fans think as he is one himself. The return of David Dein is long overdue.

[Stalin]

(Original post by wenger16)
I think wenger has finally realised he needs to adapt to the changing face of the premier league/football in general.

He knows its all about money/wages/billionaires now; i mean hes an economist ffs.

He knows even teams like PSG will overtake us if doesn't change.

Departure of fabregas signaled the final nail in the coffin of the so called youth project; time for a new project.

If rvp does stay; i look forward to rvp, cazorla and podolski linking up.

PSG have already overtaken us.

[jilebinator]

(Original post by Stalin)
PSG have already overtaken us.

In what sense?

[vn2009]

(Original post by AaronM1D1)
Ca$hley Cole and Samir Na$ri. Not to mention Adeba¥or.

Money talks. I like Usmanov, he wants to compete for top accolades but without getting us to spend stupid money. He will give us a decent pot and is passionate about the club. He knows what the fans think as he is one himself. The return of David Dein is long overdue.

I agree. We have needed dein back for a long time now....

Cant understand who negged you, seems like theres some chelsea fans lurking in this thread

[EmperorMustard]

Usmanov coming in would be a disaster. We're just beginning to flex our financial muscle with the stadium debt becoming more manageable, becoming a real model of sustainability in a sport dominated by billionaires. Why ruin that now? The short term success would be nice, yes, but where does that put us 10 years down the line when we're reliant on some Uzbeki-Russian to pay our players astronomical wages?

Dein coming back would be good though, he was the one who forced Wenger's hand into spending money like he has this year, but there was no way he could be around the club when the stadium was being built as we simply didn't have the money to spend.

[alexsong]

(Original post by jilebinator)
In what sense?

You could argue (and this all goes back to money) that they have a better team, they have attracted a better class of player than we probably could and are probbaly better equipped to win the CL. Of course this is all subjective (hence the repetition of probably) and its difficult to do a comparison let alone make a definitive statement about it.

[wenger16]

(Original post by Stalin)
PSG have already overtaken us.

Not yet. A team is judged by what their achievements are. They have done nothing so far. The team has to gel and perform. Winning ligue 1 and being considered a bigger dog than us in the champions league is when they will have overtaken us.

Thiago Silva was their only buy i rate highly.

[Zyyz]

(Original post by Manchester United)
As a united fan, I agree that selling RVP to us would say a lot about the ambitions of arsenal. I think Arsenal should have whacked a 15m price tag on any European clubs after RVP and a 20m price tag for any premiership club. This would increase the probability of him exiting the premiership; if he was to go.

Although, on the bright side, it would be better to sell him to us, rather than to; Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea or Spurs. I say this because they're the clubs you will most likely be competing with this year. I think 3rd would be a reasonable target for Arsenal this year, or 4th if they sell RVP. Either way, you need to be in Europe.

PS: If I'm being honest, I think the rivalry we used to have with Arsenal was the best. Why? Well, I respected Arsenal. They found a great set of players, raised them and created an awesome style of football. This is in complete contrast to Chelsea and Manchester City (our current rivals).

I disagree, I think with the signings we have made this year so far, we have made a step towards closing the gap with us and Manchester United, as I think we will overall have a better window, obviously it's not over yet though with us probably loosing rvp, and you maybe loosing nani etc. No i'm not comparing them, lol. I fully expect us to finish closer than 19 points apart from you guys.

Obviously Rvp wouldn't go to anyone other than you or city in the pl as that would just be a downgrade to be honest.

But if we sold Rvp to you, we would just widen the gap again. I'd genuinely rather sell to Liverpool than you, as they still probably wouldn't make the top 4, but he would never go there anyway

[EmperorMustard]

(Original post by wenger16)
Not yet. A team is judged by what their achievements are. They have done nothing so far. The team has to gel and perform. Winning ligue 1 and being considered a bigger dog than us in the champions league is when they will have overtaken us.

Thiago Silva was their only buy i rate highly.

You don't rate Ibrahimovic? A man who won the league 8 years in a row (although of course the success at Juve has since been taken away). The hate this man gets is incredible considering what he's achieved.

[alexsong]

(Original post by wenger16)
Not yet. A team is judged by what their achievements are. They have done nothing so far. The team has to gel and perform. Winning ligue 1 and being considered a bigger dog than us in the champions league is when they will have overtaken us.

Thiago Silva was their only buy i rate highly.

What has this Arsenal side achieved though ?

[CB91]

(Original post by Darth Vader 7)
When has Mourinho actually stayed with a club through a sustained period? I highly doubt that he'll be with Madrid in two years time.

Vilanova is highly unproven and although he could reproduce the mastery of Guardiola, there is no guarantee.

Only one club can be successful in Spain. As a result, the opposing team will do everything to return to winning ways and if Wenger is available, you would be silly to reject that opportunity.

As long as Mourinho is available to Madrid, he will always be chosen over Wenger because, simply put, he's a better manager than him.

Barca would always prefer to promote from within because not only is it cheaper, but they would know the club inside out already and in Vilanova's case, already have the respect of the players.

Unless Vilanova is a disaster and Mourinho leaves Madrid by the time Wenger's contract runs out, both clubs would not be in for him.

[Bear_Grylls]

(Original post by alexsong)
You could argue (and this all goes back to money) that they have a better team, they have attracted a better class of player than we probably could and are probbaly better equipped to win the CL. Of course this is all subjective (hence the repetition of probably) and its difficult to do a comparison let alone make a definitive statement about it.

They couldn't even win the French league and they had a huge spree last year...lets not be to hard on ourselves ey