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View Poll Results: Who do you want to be Mayor of London for the nests four years?
Boris Johnson - Conservative 132 50.38% Ken Livingstone - Labour 50 19.08% Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrat 12 4.58% Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party 5 1.91% Jenny Jones - Green Party 16 6.11% Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice For London 4 1.53% Siobhan Benita - Independent 15 5.73% None of the above 9 3.44% I haven't yet decided 12 4.58% Spoilt ballot 7 2.67%
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Re: POLL: Who would/will you vote for in the London mayoral election?It wasn't a silly thing to say, it was a light hearted joke that you have blown way out of proportion.(Original post by Mr Disco)
That you don't care is beside the point; it was a silly thing to say. Furthermore it is, unfortunately, a view I have seen and heard replicated by many others.
I think you have missed the point about Liverpool somewhat:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3749548.stm
Seriously, you need to lighten up
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Re: POLL: Who would/will you vote for in the London mayoral election?You appear to have fallen into the trap of believing it to be appropriate to dismiss any analogy or comparison as "straw man".(Original post by Roger Mexico)
Inspired.
You will note that I made no changes to the structure of your argument, only the subjects. "Chavs" was replaced with "Jews", "England" with "Germany" and "Boris" with "Hitler".
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Re: POLL: Who would/will you vote for in the London mayoral election?The thing is though, people generally define a Chav by their behaviour, i.e. people say that a person is a Chav because they are 'a waste of space', not that they are 'a waste of space' because they are a Chav.(Original post by Mr Disco)
Ein volk...
Whether that is right or wrong, it is very different from making attributing a characteristic to a group which is defined in a different way (eg. by race or religion).
If someone said "Boris said criminals belong in Jail", you wouldn't reply with "Hitler said Jews belong in Jail", as if that somehow were a sensible rebuttal. -
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Re: POLL: Who would/will you vote for in the London mayoral election?Some people might define a "chav" by their behavior. Others by their clothing or accent. Many people use it to describe anybody collecting benefits and in doing so are making a socio-economic categorization.(Original post by Mbob)
The thing is though, people generally define a Chav by their behaviour, i.e. people say that a person is a Chav because they are 'a waste of space', not that they are 'a waste of space' because they are a Chav.
Whether that is right or wrong, it is very different from making attributing a characteristic to a group which is defined in a different way (eg. by race or religion).
If someone said "Boris said criminals belong in Jail", you wouldn't reply with "Hitler said Jews belong in Jail", as if that somehow were a sensible rebuttal.
The point is that Roger Mexico's tendency towards dehumanizing a set of people is entirely compatible with the actions of the Third Reich. "Sub-human" was the word he used. I find this behavior incredibly worrying.
No, Roger Mexico and the many others who air such views are not guilty of racism. But they are guilty of dehumanizing a group of people, the consequences of which are often atrocious. See Pol Pot and "intellectuals". See Lenin and "kulaks".
RM's rhetoric was incredibly reminiscent of Mein Kampf, hence all I had to do was substitute "Jew" for "chav" in order to produce a paragraph that, were it slighlty better written, might have been plucked straight from it. -
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Re: POLL: Who would/will you vote for in the London mayoral election?Who are these 'many people' you speak of?(Original post by Mr Disco)
Some people might define a "chav" by their behavior. Others by their clothing or accent. Many people use it to describe anybody collecting benefits and in doing so are making a socio-economic categorization. -
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Re: POLL: Who would/will you vote for in the London mayoral election?Most people define chav by their behaviour. I assume he called them sub-human because of the anti-social behaviour associated with them. You really can't compare him to Hitler(Original post by Mr Disco)
Some people might define a "chav" by their behavior. Others by their clothing or accent. Many people use it to describe anybody collecting benefits and in doing so are making a socio-economic categorization.
The point is that Roger Mexico's tendency towards dehumanizing a set of people is entirely compatible with the actions of the Third Reich. "Sub-human" was the word he used. I find this behavior incredibly worrying.
No, Roger Mexico and the many others who air such views are not guilty of racism. But they are guilty of dehumanizing a group of people, the consequences of which are often atrocious. See Pol Pot and "intellectuals". See Lenin and "kulaks".
RM's rhetoric was incredibly reminiscent of Mein Kampf, hence all I had to do was substitute "Jew" for "chav" in order to produce a paragraph that, were it slighlty better written, might have been plucked straight from it.
