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  • View Poll Results: Who do you want to be Mayor of London for the nests four years?
    Boris Johnson - Conservative
    50.38%
    Ken Livingstone - Labour
    19.08%
    Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrat
    4.58%
    Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party
    1.91%
    Jenny Jones - Green Party
    6.11%
    Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice For London
    1.53%
    Siobhan Benita - Independent
    5.73%
    None of the above
    3.44%
    I haven't yet decided
    4.58%
    Spoilt ballot
    2.67%

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    (Original post by Agent Smirnoff)
    No not really. More like typical Police Officer who receives London Travel Concessions "attitude" I'm guessing by your logic.... most , if not all, police officers are selfish , greedy "Boris Supporters"? :eyeball:
    You are missing the point. Just because you can get free travel does that solve the problem? Do you care about anyone else who has to pay the fees? Or that the system is grossly unfair? Or is the only thing that matters, the fact that you don't have to pay? That is selfish and very 'look after myself and screw everyone else' Boris attitude.

    A police office who has no concern for the wider society?
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    When you answer my question, I shall answer yours.

    I am perfectly willing to answer yours, but if you cannot answer mine it is because truly you know that you do not have a good enough belief in your own argument to post it.
    Inequality destroys social relations and quality of life. It breeds ignorance and desperation for all.
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    You are missing the point. Just because you can get free travel does that solve the problem? Do you care about anyone else who has to pay the fees? Or that the system is grossly unfair? Or is the only thing that matters, the fact that you don't have to pay? That is selfish and very 'look after myself and screw everyone else' Boris attitude.

    A police office who has no concern for the wider society?
    It's Police Officer :smartass:

    And surely if I had no concern for the wider society .... I wouldn't be applying to do such a risky job in the first place! Especially for FREE as a volunteer mate! :fyi:

    If going out each day not knowing if you would come home safely to meet your mum and dad and two younger siblings that night isn't caring about other people then I don't know what is!

    and nah I'm not going to let one policy make me dismiss a man who I find the rest of them to be quite agreeable.
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    Inequality destroys social relations and quality of life. It breeds ignorance and desperation for all.
    But people are inherently unequal. I had a very normal upbringing and education (state comprehensive and the local FE college) but I put in a great deal of work and got decent results and am putting myself through law school. I had ambition. Shouldn't I be allowed to do what I like?

    If other people don't want to do that, that is their choice, isn't it? Why should I be penalised through the tax system for being successful?
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
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    Inequality - Introduce a living wage. 100% tax on income over £250,000.
    You are joking right?
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    It's the first time I get to vote in my life.

    Naturally, I'm voting for Boris. He seems like a decent chap who wants everyone to have fun and have a good time. Ken is an idiot, and I hope that this great city does not have to suffer under him again.
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    Inequality destroys social relations and quality of life. It breeds ignorance and desperation for all.
    Attempting to enforce equality destroys self aspiration and efficiency. It breeds resentment and divisiveness.
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    But people are inherently unequal. I had a very normal upbringing and education (state comprehensive and the local FE college) but I put in a great deal of work and got decent results and am putting myself through law school. I had ambition. Shouldn't I be allowed to do what I like?

    If other people don't want to do that, that is their choice, isn't it? Why should I be penalised through the tax system for being successful?
    Nope we are all pretty equal when you look around. Minor differences, but we're all the same in principle.

    Why do you think socialism would stop you 'doing what you like'?. Let me ask you simply, is money the only thing that excites you? Or the only reward in life?

    Rather than see tax as a penalty why not see it as a duty? You have a strange attitude towards society and your social responsiblity.
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    (Original post by ForKicks)
    Attempting to enforce equality destroys self aspiration and efficiency. It breeds resentment and divisiveness.
    Which is why it must come from within. Why do so many British people feel no social responsiblity?
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    Nope we are all pretty equal when you look around. Minor differences, but we're all the same in principle.

    Why do you think socialism would stop you 'doing what you like'?. Let me ask you simply, is money the only thing that excites you? Or the only reward in life?

    Rather than see tax as a penalty why not see it as a duty? You have a strange attitude towards society and your social responsiblity.
    I don't think it's my duty to pay for the lifestyle choices of other people.

    If I want to work hard because I want to have a nice lifestyle, surely it isn't inherently wrong to want to do that? It's not money for the sake of money I desire, but I want to live in a safe area where I can feel comfortable and can enjoy the things I find to be pleasurable. Doesn't everyone want this?

    If someone else doesn't want to work quite so hard, however, I don't see why I should have to pay for their choice.

    I think people should take responsibility for their own lives and stop relying on others when they do not wish to provide such support.
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    Which is why it must come from within. Why do so many British people feel no social responsiblity?
    Because that is our prerogative. You cannot force people into feeling responsibility any more than you can force them to like a food that they find to taste foul, or any more than you can force them to love the rain when they crave the sun.
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    Which is why it must come from within. Why do so many British people feel no social responsiblity?
    Ah yes, it should. I believe that the reason it doesn't come from within is because it is constantly forced on us when we are told we must contribute, so naturally we resist. At the other end, zero taxes would be a massive risk as it provides no safety net. I guess it is all about where the best middle-ground lies.
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    Gotta be the Boris! :ahee: (If I could vote in the election...)

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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    Nope we are all pretty equal when you look around. Minor differences, but we're all the same in principle.

    Why do you think socialism would stop you 'doing what you like'?. Let me ask you simply, is money the only thing that excites you? Or the only reward in life?

    Rather than see tax as a penalty why not see it as a duty? You have a strange attitude towards society and your social responsiblity.
    No. However things that excites people cost money.... Think about it, if you want to be a doctor and you earn high wage you don't want to pay a huge amount of tax do you? Doing a job and not be rewarding begs to ask the question why do the job here? If you don't provide people with incentive to do work here then they will move away. The idea you put forward would cost so much pain for people and the rewards would not be seen in at least a decade.
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    (Original post by FinalMH)
    No. However things that excites people cost money.... Think about it, if you want to be a doctor and you earn high wage you don't want to pay a huge amount of tax do you? Doing a job and not be rewarding begs to ask the question why do the job here? If you don't provide people with incentive to do work here then they will move away. The idea you put forward would cost so much pain for people and the rewards would not be seen in at least a decade.
    You say no and then go on to prove my point. :confused:
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    You say no and then go on to prove my point. :confused:
    I'm confused? You want to high taxes? I said if you do that people will move away? I don't understand how that is proving your point? Money is way of given people incentives to do jobs you take that away and people will stop doing the job. It is like the investment bankers in the UK if you start taxing their income over £250,000 then want is stopping them moving to the channel islands? You idea is not realistic!
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    Because that is our prerogative. You cannot force people into feeling responsibility any more than you can force them to like a food that they find to taste foul, or any more than you can force them to love the rain when they crave the sun.

    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    I don't think it's my duty to pay for the lifestyle choices of other people.

    If I want to work hard because I want to have a nice lifestyle, surely it isn't inherently wrong to want to do that? It's not money for the sake of money I desire, but I want to live in a safe area where I can feel comfortable and can enjoy the things I find to be pleasurable. Doesn't everyone want this?

    If someone else doesn't want to work quite so hard, however, I don't see why I should have to pay for their choice.

    I think people should take responsibility for their own lives and stop relying on others when they do not wish to provide such support.
    Honestly, I do not know what to say to you.

    Maybe you just need to stop and think about your attitude and ask yourself some serious questions.

    When I read posts such as yours I get very worried about the future of this country and the world in general.

    - As for working hard, are you suggesting that hard work=high pay and low effort=poor pay. That's a ridiculous statement to make. Most of America was built by slaves who worked pretty damn hard, whilst the bourgousie got fat on the rewards. Justice? Entitlement?
    - You talk about being forced into taxes etc. Why are you unable to recognise that taxes are not some. This gross over estimation of self worth, ignorance and attitude of entitlement is deeply concerning. Can you just reflect on that for a moment? and assess your attitude and maybe, just maybe restrain your ego.
    - You deny that you desire money, but seem to feel entitled to it if you work hard and educate yourself. That is worrying. With more education, and individual should become more conscientious rather than less surely? Maybe you are young or something and will realise this in time though.
    - What everyone wants is peace, justice and fairness. Things which are severely lacking in today's society brought about by the selfish individual greed and attitude of entitlement of a few.
    - Why not use your skills towards something productive, changing the world for the better, write a book, educate people, help people, contribute towards the environment etc? Isn't that more rewarding than chasing money?
    - As for enjoying things which are pleasurable, with your attitude of self importance and entitlement I would be very worried by your statement. Lots of people 'work hard' but don't get what they deserve. Why should you? Why not make the world a better place for others?

    As for comparing human senses and the weather and people feeling responsibility for their behaviour. Do we have control over our senses or the weather? We choose to contribute and our approach to the world. Again, you have a very distorted ego and attitude.

    Seriously, don't even reply to this just think about the points above....

    I tried......
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    I have no idea who to vote for. They all come with policies that i want.

    BENITA - wants to make the Tube run later on Friday and Saturday nights
    CORTIGLIA - a requirement for anyone coming to live in this country to speak English
    JOHNSON - invest in transport infrastructure
    LIVINGSTONE - cut fares on public transport and boost affordable-home building in London
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    Honestly, I do not know what to say to you.

    Maybe you just need to stop and think about your attitude and ask yourself some serious questions.

    When I read posts such as yours I get very worried about the future of this country and the world in general.

    - As for working hard, are you suggesting that hard work=high pay and low effort=poor pay. That's a ridiculous statement to make. Most of America was built by slaves who worked pretty damn hard, whilst the bourgousie got fat on the rewards. Justice? Entitlement?
    - You talk about being forced into taxes etc. Why are you unable to recognise that taxes are not some. This gross over estimation of self worth, ignorance and attitude of entitlement is deeply concerning. Can you just reflect on that for a moment? and assess your attitude and maybe, just maybe restrain your ego.
    - You deny that you desire money, but seem to feel entitled to it if you work hard and educate yourself. That is worrying. With more education, and individual should become more conscientious rather than less surely? Maybe you are young or something and will realise this in time though.
    - What everyone wants is peace, justice and fairness. Things which are severely lacking in today's society brought about by the selfish individual greed and attitude of entitlement of a few.
    - Why not use your skills towards something productive, changing the world for the better, write a book, educate people, help people, contribute towards the environment etc? Isn't that more rewarding than chasing money?
    - As for enjoying things which are pleasurable, with your attitude of self importance and entitlement I would be very worried by your statement. Lots of people 'work hard' but don't get what they deserve. Why should you? Why not make the world a better place for others?

    As for comparing human senses and the weather and people feeling responsibility for their behaviour. Do we have control over our senses or the weather? We choose to contribute and our approach to the world. Again, you have a very distorted ego and attitude.

    Seriously, don't even reply to this just think about the points above....

    I tried......
    Why can you not accept that different people want different things?
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    Why do we need more income? Why can't we use what we have more efficiently and effectively? Reduce individual bonuses and increase contribution towards society.

    Travel - Convert the majority of central London and High streets etc to Shared Surfaces reducing traffic and polution. Not hard (or expensive) to do but very effective. Tax large corporations and chains and reduce tax to small independent stores. Rebalance the high stree to People, shops, cafes, business, transport.
    Improve Green Spaces - Set up and encourage community groups
    to maintain/ improve public spaces
    Affordable Housing - Cap rents in each area to allow for a wide social mix. For example, allocate 20% of boroughs housing to council, 20% to affordable, 20% to medium income, and leave the rest for the market.
    Inequality - Introduce a living wage. 100% tax on income over £250,000.

    Travel: Shared spaces are good ideas, but in areas as gridlocked as central london, major redevelopment works would bring a lot of public transport to a standstill.

    High Street: London already has much more diverse and interesting areas then most of the rest of the country, and a lot of "big chains" (see woolworths, game, habitat, la senza, etc.) are going out of business already at the moment, with lots of jobs lost as a result. Hiking their taxes will only accelerate that. And these places aren't all being filled in a time of recession. Cue more dead high streets.

    Improve Green Spaces: Sure, anything more specific? London already has some amazing parks, not sure where you would find the space for more.

    Affordable Housing: How would you go about achieving this? Force somebody wanting to rent their property into one of these groups? Watch house prices fluctuate massively as their rental value is decided arbitarily. Looking to move into a small flat in retirement and rent-out or sell your old family home out to support your pension, oh too bad, its been deemed a council home, so it's worthless.

    Inequality: Increase in minimum wage, ok. Ridiculous taxes, hell no. Watch businesses, especially in the vital financial and legal sectors vacate London, taking all their corporate tax money, individuals income tax and spending in the city away, destroying the capitals revenues and all the businesses (the shops, restaurants, bars, cabs) which are supported both directly and indirectly by it. Terrible idea.

    Your motives are well-intentioned, just your ideas fail to look at the real knock-on effects policies like that can have.

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