[silent ninja]

(Original post by Nadooo)
PS: Careful when you go around accusing the British of paedophilia. Your Prophet was a paedophile. In England, at least we prosecute and imprison them because we know harming children is wrong.


In Islam, insulting Mohamed's sexual attraction to a 6 year old girl is punishable by death. Just sayin'.

Nonsense. In previous times (including in Britain), you were considered an adult at puberty. That's just a fact. The marriage was not consumated until adulthood. You'll only find that pervertive if you are a pervert at heart. He was also married to an older women (15 years his senior) for 25 years and never took another wife during that time, and married at 25 years old having never been in any relationship of any sort (i.e he was 25 and married a 40 year old). This is hardly behaviour of the weirdos you get today. His life was exemplary.

[fat_hobbit]

(Original post by silent ninja)
It's funny because Muslims are blamed both ways: excessive punishment (lashings, stonings, hangings and such) and on the other hand if a Muslim commits a crime, "it's in his religion...it may not be written, but it's there! I tell you!"

Well, I am not being funny. Last time I looked at the United states, they still had the death penalty for serious crimes. Seems to be more socially acceptable.

...Don't see people bitching about the US.

Also, in terms of being a barbaric religion; christianity back in the day caused more destruction then Islam ever did. Spain for example was taken out of the dark ages by the moors. The Wahhabi fundamentalists these days are nothing like their predecessors. Do you think the Taliban would have become a imperial power with the way they did ****?

[bkeevin]

(Original post by ckingalt)
A Historical Anecdote

Towards the end of WWII the Red Army essentially raped their way through Prussia. Some will say that the Nazis did the same on their way to Stalingrad, history suggests that is not the case though. Why the difference between the two cultures/armies in similar circumstances? With the germans it was isolated cases of abuse. Rapes happened but they were frowned upon by the German leadership and such acts certainly weren't encouraged. The russians swept through prussia, raping on a scale that is incomprehensible. One quote states that "no female between the ages of eight and eighty were safe. Figures estimate that two million women were raped (often gang rapes). Stalin said, "Can't he understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometers through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle?" Rape was basically condoned as a means of retribution from the very top of the Russian hierarchy.

I don't not want to victimize the Nazis or condemn the Red Army. My point is that the russians encountered great suffering, and humiliation at the hands of German aggression. The Nazis considered the Russian lineage and culture to be of lesser class, and the Russians knew it. They felt much indignation in the face of German contempt. When the tides were turned it was the women who would become an outlet for their full rage. The Russians did not hate the German women. They hated the German men. There is no more hateful act to perpetrate against a man that to rape his mother, his wife, and his daughter.

I believe that this very same reprehensible psychology is reflected in the multiple cases of immigrant muslims raping and abusing western women. The contributing factor is not religious differences. The contributing factor is based in a culture that feels it has been repressed and humiliated by western interests. The most degenerate members of that culture are seeking retribution against the society that perpetuates those interests. As misguided and disgusting as such behavior may be, it is not unique. Rape has always been a deplorable yet effective weapon.

Muslim Rape gangs are not a fair reflection of Islam. They are a reflection of something though. They are the reflection of a culture which is sexually repressed. That culture is less developed in terms of industry, education, and freedoms. That culture has also been on the receiving end of another culture’s consistent interference. That other culture is more modern, more sexually liberated, and has a population that views itself as superior. Now implant a significant population of the former culture within the confines of the latter culture and alienate them within that culture. Naturally the most uneducated, and undesirable of the first group will seek to vent their resentment in the most impulsive, ignorant, and barbaric ways. There are a few degenerates within this socially alienated underclass that feel they can gain some measure of retribution against their oppressors by defiling their women. That is nothing new by historical context.

I don't really understand what your question is. Of course the original oppressors will not be as cruel and sadistic as the latter ones since they have less reasons to actually hate and despise their victims. The latter oppressors having already suffered are seeking revenge and inflict as much pain and humiliation to their former oppressors as possible. That is just human nature

[fat_hobbit]

(Original post by RyanT)
You were a remember of TSR in 2001?

The oldest account I've seen was 2003 I think.

Nah, but beyond a doubt islamophobia has increased dramatically since 2001. That was my point.

And I have been around since 2004 (had older accounts). TSR was very different back then.

[fat_hobbit]

(Original post by effofex)
I don't think this can be the case, since I am South Asian and live in a country where many females naturally (i.e. not artificially) have this combination. I know of only one South Asian male within my friends circle who is in a partnership with a woman with that hair/eye colour combination. Obviously the others could have had lots of temporary liaisions with such women. Also maybe some are lazy and do not bother learning Dutch - but still, if what you say was correct I would expect the interest shown in these women to be higher than what it is.

Also, most Western women have dark hair.

Im of pakistani decent, and I am not into the blond, blue eyed look.

I much prefer brunettes. Granted the only girls I have dated are white. But even the brunettes have my preference.

[RyanT]

A lot of Kitman in this thread. I especially liked the pretending that supremacist muslim clerics are secretly zionist jews.

Islam makes a sharp distinction between Muslims on the one side and everyone else on the other. Their laws distinguish this too. In Shari'a law, a Muslim can testify in court against a kafir, but a kafir may not testify against a Muslim. In Shari'a law, it is illegal for a Muslim to kill a fellow Muslim, but it is not illegal for a Muslim to kill a kafir. A kafir is an unbeliever, an infidel.

When muslims don't think it's illegal under their ideal legal system to kill English people (kafir) we shouldn't be surprised that some of them think they can come to England and gang rape women at their pleasure. There is nothing surprising about any of this when you understand the supremacism behind islam.

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
you would be japanese, just like i would be british (or at least british indian)... you were raised to that culture
indigenous=/=ethnic to my knowledge anyway

Okay believe what you want.

The fact is that you will not be considered part of the Japanese nation if you are of foreign race, whether born in Tokyo or Islamabad. A lot of English people feel the same about this as well. Feel free to believe whatever you want, but don't be surprised when the real English look at these muslims and see them as foreigners.

(Original post by fat_hobbit)
Nah, but beyond a doubt islamophobia has increased dramatically since 2001. That was my point.

And I have been around since 2004 (had older accounts). TSR was very different back then.

I was on the site in 2005 before I signed up and it hasn't changed from my experience, just the names of the posters changing. If anything the moderation has become militantly politically correct in the last 2 years.

Is it even islamophobic to point out facts?

Just read the news, these rapes are a fact and are widespread and are very strongly associated with Pakistani muslims. I don't see where the islamophobia in talking about it is.

[effofex]

(Original post by Theturnbull9)
Love how your all trying to come up with excuses for these people. The best I've see so far is that 'they show to much skin' (women). Like to see that hold up in a court of law. At the end of the day their culture is defined by having more than one wife, basically having whatever they want. Due to not being able to get what they want in the western world rape is the only option. It's becoming quite common in Britian with groups of asian men praying on young british women.

*I am fairly sure that in most Asian nations, especially the larger ones (India - in most states, and in China), it is not permitted to have more than one woman who is legally recognized as a wife (though it is of course peritted to have sexual relations with multiple men and women).

*Also, why would 'rape be the only option' - surely they could visit prostitutes in nearby nations such as Nederland and Germany (where prostitution is legal)?

[fat_hobbit]

(Original post by RyanT)
A lot of Al-taqiyya in this thread. I especially liked pretending that supremacist muslim clerics are secretly zionist jews.

Islam makes a sharp distinction between Muslims on the one side and everyone else on the other. Their laws distinguish this too. In Shari'a law, a Muslim can testify in court against a kafir, but a kafir may not testify against a Muslim. In Shari'a law, it is illegal for a Muslim to kill a fellow Muslim, but it is not illegal for a Muslim to kill a kafir. A kafir is an unbeliever, an infidel.

You are an idiot.

Moorish Spain was famous for its tolerance of christians, jews and other faiths.

Similarly, Saladin when liberating Jerusalem during the crusades, spared the non-muslim population, and instead ritually purified parts of it with rose water. If I remember correctly, it was the franks in the crusade preceding this who butchered the muslims after capturing.

And here is a sad twist of irony, two of the biggest serial killers in modern times, are not muslims, but Stalin and Hitler. The latter who preached 'National Socialism'.

When muslims don't think it's illegal under their ideal legal system to kill English people (kafir) we shouldn't be surprised that some of them think they can come to England and gang rape women at their pleasure. There is nothing surprising about any of this when you understand the supremacism behind islam.



Okay believe what you want.

The fact is that you will not be considered part of the Japanese nation if you are of foreign race, whether born in Tokyo or Islamabad. A lot of English people feel the same about this as well. Feel free to believe whatever you want, but don't be surprised when the real English look at these muslims and see them as foreigners.

Bigot.

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If I was to post this question: Local christian gangs raping Asian/Black etc women. Why?
What would your answer be?

[fat_hobbit]

(Original post by RyanT)
Just read the news, these rapes are a fact and are widespread and are very strongly associated with Pakistani muslims. I don't see where the islamophobia in talking about it is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842



Even if there are pakistanis committing rape, you can't go around generalising based on the actions of a few. Also, if they are god-fearing muslims, they will not commit rape.

There are rapists in every nationality, like our friend in the bbc article above. Then again by your logic, because he committed rape, it makes every welsh man a rapist.

[silent ninja]

(Original post by RyanT)
A lot of Al-taqiyya in this thread. I especially liked the pretending that supremacist muslim clerics are secretly zionist jews.

Islam makes a sharp distinction between Muslims on the one side and everyone else on the other. Their laws distinguish this too. In Shari'a law, a Muslim can testify in court against a kafir, but a kafir may not testify against a Muslim. In Shari'a law, it is illegal for a Muslim to kill a fellow Muslim, but it is not illegal for a Muslim to kill a kafir. A kafir is an unbeliever, an infidel.

Care to expound on the full context? Combat situation, war? Source? Who wrote that and what are their credentials?
I have never heard such a thing and it's totally nonsense. If this were the case, why didn't Muslims wipe out indigigenous Christians and Jews during the Prophet's time? WHy didn't the Prophet just kill the Jews that he took loans from, especially considering he held the dominant position? I mean, license to kill 'infidels' no sense in giving them your hard earned cash. One of the greatest victories in Islamic history is taking back Mecca. It was full of 'infidels.' Why werent they slaughtered? Why are there so many Christians in the middle east today? It's nonsense on an astronomical scale. Please give evidence for these claims.

[RyanT]

(Original post by fat_hobbit)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842



Even if there are pakistanis committing rape, you can't go around generalising based on the actions of a few. Also, if they are god-fearing muslims, they will not commit rape.

There are rapists in every nationality, like our friend in the bbc article above.

lol?

I said some green apples taste bitter.

You respond by saying not every green apple is bitter, anyway some of those red apples are bitter tasting too!

What you said in no undermines any of the facts I have pointed about the serious rape problem with some Pakistani muslim males.

You said I'm generalising, but I never claimed every Pakistani muslim is a rapist in fact I've been very careful to make sure I said "some" rather then "all". It is an important distinction that I am making, you are calling me a bigot because you do not understand the distinction as shown by the quoted post.

You say if they are god-fearing, lets look at what the religious ones believe..

Kafir women can be raped in jihad. There are three different verses in the Koran that relate to having sex with your slaves [slaves being captured kafir women during the Jihad]

Koran 70:22 Not the devout, who pray constantly and whose wealth has a fixed portion set aside for beggars and the destitute, and those who believe in the Judgment Day, and those who fear their Lord's punishment-because no one is safe from their Lord's punishment-and who control their sexual desires, except with their wives or slave-girls, with them there is no blame; but whoever indulges their lust beyond this are transgressors), and who keep their trusts and promises, and who tell the truth, and who are attentive to their prayers. These will live with honors in Gardens.

Abu Muslim 008, 3432
Mohammed sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being kafirs. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their menstrual period came to an end).


More here

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I don't understand why you would single out muslims, clearly you have something against muslims rather than the issue of rape which is quiet sad really, because just by looking at that I can predict that you might be in favour of the war in Iraq and Palestine. Did you know that in the America soldiers in war are trained to become professional rapists?
I would understand if you singled out Pakistanis or Indians etc, but not every Asian Pakistani or Indian etc are Muslims, so get your facts right.

[fat_hobbit]

(Original post by silent ninja)
Care to expound on the full context? Combat situation, war? Source? Who wrote that and what are their credentials?
I have never heard such a thing and it's totally nonsense. If this were the case, why didn't Muslims wipe out indigigenous Christians and Jews during the Prophet's time? WHy didn't he just kill the Jews that he took loans from, especially considering he held the dominant position? Why are there so many Christians in the middle east? It's nonsense on an astronomical scale.

No point arguing with these fools.

These guys will take a point, and twist it for their own argument rather then look at things in context. As you said its total nonsense. There have been many times in history, where when Islam was a dominent power under the moors, ottomans. Non muslims and muslims were able to live together peacefully. Moorish spain is a great example of this.

Besides, there are evil people everywhere, yet don't see this guy going bang on about Mugabe, stalin, hitler, pol pot, idi amin...etc

[Nadooo]

(Original post by fat_hobbit)
You are a bigot.

Go back to your cave.

Bigot for saying that Muslims are overrepresented percentage-wise in cases of sexual assault? Or a bigot for saying that Mohammed slept with a 9 year old?


Both are still true. LOL.

[de_monies]

(Original post by RyanT)
A lot of Kitman in this thread. I especially liked the pretending that supremacist muslim clerics are secretly zionist jews.

Islam makes a sharp distinction between Muslims on the one side and everyone else on the other. Their laws distinguish this too. In Shari'a law, a Muslim can testify in court against a kafir, but a kafir may not testify against a Muslim. In Shari'a law, it is illegal for a Muslim to kill a fellow Muslim, but it is not illegal for a Muslim to kill a kafir. A kafir is an unbeliever, an infidel.

Googling that bit of C&P finds me lots of anti Islam sites. Could you provide me with a link, to who said that?
https://encrypted.google.com/search?...2C+an+infidel.

(Original post by RyanT)
When muslims don't think it's illegal under their ideal legal system to kill English people (kafir)

Let's say that the country was under shariah law. AFAIK, it would be possible for non Muslims to set up their own law if they wished, and you can't be executed just because you are a non believer. You should also look at what the word kaafir means. It literally means a non believer. And there are many English people who are Muslims

(Original post by RyanT)
we shouldn't be surprised that some of them think they can come to England and gang rape women at their pleasure. There is nothing surprising about any of this when you understand the supremacism behind islam.

Islam does not allow rape. I don't get where you get that from. I refuted you earlier, yet you don't quote that? You just try and find some BS and show it off as "proof"

(Original post by RyanT)
The fact is that you will not be considered part of the Japanese nation if you are of foreign race, whether born in Tokyo or Islamabad. A lot of English people feel the same about this as well.

And a lot of English people will feel differently. I'll never say that I'm English because ethnically I'm not; however I will say that I am British.

(Original post by RyanT)
Feel free to believe whatever you want, but don't be surprised when the real English look at these muslims and see them as foreigners.

So, I'm guessing a lot of people on TSR are "fake" English people?

(Original post by RyanT)

I was on the site in 2005 before I signed up and it hasn't changed from my experience, just the names of the posters changing. If anything the moderation has become militantly politically correct in the last 2 years.

As has the amount of trolls

(Original post by RyanT)
Is it even islamophobic to point out facts?

Nope, but if you look at the reply I gave you earlier, you just spewed the same stuff out again, in this post; even though I showed you the most famous of scholars would prove you wrong

(Original post by RyanT)
Just read the news, these rapes are a fact and are widespread and are very strongly associated with Pakistani muslims.

Well, if you do consider that to be the case, then you'll notice that you don't get the first generation immigrants (ie: the ones with a direct connection with Pakistan), and nor do you get this with people who consider themselves British, but those that are in between

[silent ninja]

(Original post by Nadooo)
Bigot for saying that Muslims are overrepresented percentage-wise in cases of sexual assault? Or a bigot for saying that Mohammed slept with a 9 year old?


Both are still true. LOL.

Both false, making you a bigot also. I don't care if you don't like Islam, but at least be honest about your real reasons.

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(Original post by Nadooo)
Bigot for saying that Muslims are overrepresented percentage-wise in cases of sexual assault? Or a bigot for saying that Mohammed slept with a 9 year old?


Both are still true. LOL.

says the one that is hating on Muslims, and in Mohamed (saw) defence, at least he was married to her! not like you sinners who cohabitate and claim you believe in God, that is called hypocricy.

[fat_hobbit]

(Original post by RyanT)
lol?

I said some green apples taste bitter.

You respond by saying not every green apple is bitter, anyway some of those red apples are bitter tasting too!

What you said in no undermines any of the facts I have pointed about the serious rape problem with some Pakistani muslim males.

You said I'm generalising, but I never claimed every Pakistani muslim is a rapist in fact I've been very careful to make sure I said "some" rather then "all". It is an important distinction that I am making, you are calling me a bigot because you do not understand the distinction as shown by the quoted post.

You say if they are god-fearing, lets look at what the religious ones believe..

Kafir women can be raped in jihad. There are three different verses in the Koran that relate to having sex with your slaves [slaves being captured kafir women during the Jihad]

Koran 70:22 Not the devout, who pray constantly and whose wealth has a fixed portion set aside for beggars and the destitute, and those who believe in the Judgment Day, and those who fear their Lord's punishment-because no one is safe from their Lord's punishment-and who control their sexual desires, except with their wives or slave-girls, with them there is no blame; but whoever indulges their lust beyond this are transgressors), and who keep their trusts and promises, and who tell the truth, and who are attentive to their prayers. These will live with honors in Gardens.

Abu Muslim 008, 3432
Mohammed sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being kafirs. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their menstrual period came to an end).


More here

Had a look at your source, looks like another site that is going out of it's way to bash Islam. So I am going to question the credibility of your source. I am sure if an islamic scholar approached the same material, his views would be very different to Bill Warner's.

Therein lies the problem, it is all open to interpretation.

The problem I have with this thread, is that it is singling out Muslims:


'Immigrant Muslim gangs raping western women. Why?'

Like if non muslims do not commit rape. Again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842

[silent ninja]

(Original post by RyanT)
lol?

I said some green apples taste bitter.

You respond by saying not every green apple is bitter, anyway some of those red apples are bitter tasting too!

What you said in no undermines any of the facts I have pointed about the serious rape problem with some Pakistani muslim males.

You said I'm generalising, but I never claimed every Pakistani muslim is a rapist in fact I've been very careful to make sure I said "some" rather then "all". It is an important distinction that I am making, you are calling me a bigot because you do not understand the distinction as shown by the quoted post.

You say if they are god-fearing, lets look at what the religious ones believe..

Kafir women can be raped in jihad. There are three different verses in the Koran that relate to having sex with your slaves [slaves being captured kafir women during the Jihad]

Koran 70:22 Not the devout, who pray constantly and whose wealth has a fixed portion set aside for beggars and the destitute, and those who believe in the Judgment Day, and those who fear their Lord's punishment-because no one is safe from their Lord's punishment-and who control their sexual desires, except with their wives or slave-girls, with them there is no blame; but whoever indulges their lust beyond this are transgressors), and who keep their trusts and promises, and who tell the truth, and who are attentive to their prayers. These will live with honors in Gardens.

Abu Muslim 008, 3432
Mohammed sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being kafirs. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: "And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their menstrual period came to an end).


More here

Misquotes, lacking context, poor/irrelevant explanations, no authority on the subject. The Sun do this sort of thing. I may as well read Hitler's bible of the Jews to learn about Judaism.

Here's a thought. Why don't you go and learn about Islam from the Muslims? You don't actually have to be a Muslim to do this. Just a thought. Any History or English student is told to consider the writer and source (for fear of bias and disinformation), but when it comes to Islam I guess this doesn't matter to you as long as it agrees with your twisted views.