Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the country
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryThe Arab population have hardly helped themselves. They've been offered a two-state solution before, but rejected it, which would kind of suggest that if they get one now, they'll be happy with it for about 10 minutes before they go for the next step, and try to deport/exterminate all Jews.(Original post by AkaJetson)
Not really.."our parents and grand parents lived here 40-60 years ago" is quite different to "our 'ancestors' lived here thousands of years ago and God said we should have it"
There's never even been a country called 'Palestine' anyway... -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryI don't claim to know a lot about this but from what I've heard part of Palestine was given over to the Israelis in the wake of World War 2.
Is there more to it than this because I can understand the Palestinians being cheesed off if that's the case. -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryYes, there is a bit more to it than that. I suggest reading up on it. Wikipedia is quite a good place to start for a basic overview.(Original post by bluenose14)
I don't claim to know a lot about this but from what I've heard part of Palestine was given over to the Israelis in the wake of World War 2.
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryI believe you are wrong sir. We would actually only remove the illegal State of Israel as the owner of the land and reclaim it as part of Palastine.(Original post by tufc)
The Arab population have hardly helped themselves. They've been offered a two-state solution before, but rejected it, which would kind of suggest that if they get one now, they'll be happy with it for about 10 minutes before they go for the next step, and try to deport/exterminate all Jews.
There's never even been a country called 'Palestine' anyway...
The Jews may still live there in peace, like they have done so in the past (before the state of Israel) -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryPalestine, you know. That state which countries representing 80% of the world's population recognize, but countries representing 75% of the world's wealth don't.(Original post by tufc)
Sorry to where?
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryBut I'm right in saying you wouldn't be happy with a two-state solution? Everyone who's pro-Palestine says they want a two-state solution, but none of you will rest at that.(Original post by Perseveranze)
I believe you are wrong sir. We would actually only remove the illegal State of Israel as the owner of the land and reclaim it as part of Palastine.
The Jews may still live there in peace, like they have done so in the past (before the state of Israel)
1. Why would I think you're worthy of creating Palestine, if you can't even spell it?
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryWell yeah, but a much smaller number of countries don't recognise Israel...(Original post by musabjilani)
Palestine, you know. That state which countries representing 80% of the world's population recognize, but countries representing 75% of the world's wealth don't.
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryI never said or implied that Israel isn't a country or responded "where?" in response to someone referring to it.(Original post by tufc)
Well yeah, but a much smaller number of countries don't recognise Israel... -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryTrue, but it seems to me that people who are pro-Palestine generally want to see Israel destroyed, but pretend they'd be happy with a two-state solution.(Original post by musabjilani)
I never said or implied that Israel isn't a country or responded "where?" in response to someone referring to it. -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryIn my opinion Israel has a right to exist as to a large extent might is right and property is 9 10ths of the law. My distant relatives (victims of Lithuanian pogroms) arent getting their land back any time soon. Germany lost WWII and thus has no right to land lost to Poland (east of the Oder-Neisse Line etc.)
The Arab nations refused a two-state resolution in 1948 and Israel did, absolving them of blame for the conflicts that arose thereof.
Every race deserves a homeland, which is logical as races must arise somewhere (the Jews controlled Palestine until they tried to remove the Roman imperialists and were cleansed and expelled. Much like with the Egyptians before that in the times of Moses). If Arab nomads deserve land, which is unproductive and they do not settle on or actually demark, throughout the Middle East then productive Israelis (most patents in the world, even for such a small nation) I think have a better pragmatic right as they use it better.
Finally the Arabs drove Christians, Hindus and Jews from many places, from Pakistan to Turkey to Morocco, and to suffer losing such a small area and complaining so vigorously seems hypocritical. How did a race emerging in a sliver of the Arabian Gulf come do dominate Northern Africa, Arabia and West Asia? Invasion and Colonisation. -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the country1. Why do you think Muslims would care what you constitute as worthy?(Original post by tufc)
But I'm right in saying you wouldn't be happy with a two-state solution? Everyone who's pro-Palestine says they want a two-state solution, but none of you will rest at that.
1. Why would I think you're worthy of creating Palestine, if you can't even spell it?
2. There has never been a country called Palestine
2. It doesn't matter what you call it, Filasṭīn is what it's more commonly called in Muslim lands. It does not change the concept that the land is home to the people of Filistine,and now they're the one's being oppressed and driven out.
Atleast you're right about something though, none will rest with a 2 state state solution.
In 1901, Dr Theodore Hertzil, founder of the Zionist movement visited
Istanbul and tried to meet with Khaleefah Abdul-Hamid II. Abdul-Hamid
refused to meet him and told his Head of the Ministers Council:
“Advise Dr Hertzil not to take any further steps in this project. I cannot give away a handful of the soil of this land for it is not my own, it is for all the Islamic Ummah. The Islamic Ummah have fought with their blood and sweat to protect this land.”Last edited by Perseveranze; 28-04-2012 at 11:28. -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryWell as you pointed out, todays Palestnians arent those ones who were offered a two state solution.(Original post by tufc)
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryUnder that logic, the Israelis can't be held responsible for their ancestors' actions, and have an absolute right to the land.(Original post by AkaJetson)
Well as you pointed out, todays Palestnians arent those ones who were offered a two state solution. -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryThat's an extremely unfair generalization. Several of us take a principled stand on the issue rather than one based on national egoism, and believe that a nation should have a state, and would extend that courtesy to Israel too, questions regarding the moral legitimacy of the initial granting of that state notwithstanding. Several pro-Palestinian people probably disagree with the creation of Israel, but now that that state and that nation exist, they do, by virtue of existing, have the right to exist. As do the Palestinians.(Original post by tufc)
True, but it seems to me that people who are pro-Palestine generally want to see Israel destroyed, but pretend they'd be happy with a two-state solution.Last edited by musabjilani; 28-04-2012 at 23:10. -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryPlease. This is a famously inaccurate and misleading map which presents a false picture by deliberately confusing sovereingty and ownership, as well as a number of other things.Last edited by AdvanceAndVanquish; 29-04-2012 at 03:58. -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countrySome people really do find it hard to face the facts, ey?(Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish)
Please. This is a famously inaccurate and misleading map which presents a false picture by deliberately confusing sovereingty and ownership, as well as a number of other things. -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryAre you actually disputing my characterisation of the map?(Original post by adam902100)
Some people really do find it hard to face the facts, ey? -
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Re: Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the countryThis Islamist bull**** is concerning, Palestine is not Islamic land there is no such thing "Islamic land" am as much opposed to Israeli offenses against human rights as anyone and some would say even more, but the facts remain, Palestinians don't respect the human rights of fellow Palestinians internally and I shudder to think what they'd do with Jewish citizens if they were allowed to exist...
I mean today Haaretz reported that Gaza had its first ever waitress.. That's how far behind in they are in terms of human rights.
