Israel bans UN human rights observers from entering the country
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Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish
I was speaking of self-defence in a broader sense, in terms of the defence of the country, rather than in each individual incident, but if you think those radical activists (the ones filmed singing songs about killing jews as they set off) were 'aid workers,' you need to look closer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
Whilst I'm not condoning what they said, they didn't exactly have bombs on them, as shown in the news. Also, what do you make of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnU183AVhzs
And someone has a sig saying that Israeli children were signing missiles, and they were delivered to Palestine the next day
Is it then right for me to say that Israeli gov't is condoning the acts of violence against Palestinians?
Peace can only be achieved with the removal of the current Israeli and Palestinian gov't
Original post by de_monies
Whilst I'm not condoning what they said, they didn't exactly have bombs on them, as shown in the news. Also, what do you make of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnU183AVhzs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnU183AVhzs
It's a lack of self-control among a soldier who should know better. The IDF agreed, which is why they relieved him of his post and disciplined him.
Original post by de_monies
And someone has a sig saying that Israeli children were signing missiles, and they were delivered to Palestine the next day
And someone has a sig saying that Israeli children were signing missiles, and they were delivered to Palestine the next day
Huh? Someone said they heard that someone else said sort of thing?
Original post by de_monies
Is it then right for me to say that Israeli gov't is condoning the acts of violence against Palestinians?
Is it then right for me to say that Israeli gov't is condoning the acts of violence against Palestinians?
Against terrorists and other militants, sure, of course they 'condone' violence aka military action.
Original post by de_monies
This has been mentioned to you in many threads. Are you incapable of reading?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
If you don't agree with that, then here's info on the "British mandate of Palestine"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
If you don't agree with that, then here's info on the "British mandate of Palestine"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)
I think what he means is that there was never a modern-style state that had all the trappings of statehood (i.e. independence, defined territory, recognition) that was governed solely by the Palestinian people.
And someone has a sig saying that Israeli children were signing missiles, and they were delivered to Palestine the next day
I should probably counter this too. I don't blame you for seeing what he wrote and taking it for granted, but I've had some experience with the guy who has this in his signature and he's a habitual liar. I've told him so many times that the missle signing photo is the complete opposite of how he portrays it, but he refuses to believe that he is right. The missles (and you can actually see this on it if you look at them) are being addressed to Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of the Lebanese Hezbollah group and notorious Islamist criminal. The practise of signing missles is common to every country and was used by the UK and the USA during WWII.
Original post by de_monies
This has been mentioned to you in many threads. Are you incapable of reading?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
If you don't agree with that, then here's info on the "British mandate of Palestine"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)
Also, if someone was to "create" Palestine, it's incredibly unlikely to be a forum member, so your first point is nullified
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
If you don't agree with that, then here's info on the "British mandate of Palestine"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)
Also, if someone was to "create" Palestine, it's incredibly unlikely to be a forum member, so your first point is nullified
'Palestine' may be the historic name for an area, but that doesn't mean it's a legitimate entity.
This? Again?
The two state solution has failed. Neither should get to play with the toys until they can share. The UN should claim the entire zone for 50 years. Some nice time on the naughty step might remind people of civility and quid pro-quo in international relations.
Then, perhaps, we can deal with some ACTUAL problems facing the world. FGS, get over your alleged losses and religious superiority complexes.
This sickens me.
The two state solution has failed. Neither should get to play with the toys until they can share. The UN should claim the entire zone for 50 years. Some nice time on the naughty step might remind people of civility and quid pro-quo in international relations.
Then, perhaps, we can deal with some ACTUAL problems facing the world. FGS, get over your alleged losses and religious superiority complexes.
This sickens me.
Original post by de_monies
Do you seriously think that the responsibility lies purely with the Palestinians? The responsibility lies with the Palestinian AND Israeli leaders. I'd imagine that most people in those countries simply want peace
Well yes I do think it lies more with the Palestinians than Israeli leaders...Palestine does not WANT peace, they WANT the land that is currently known as Israel.
Israel WANT peace. If you have followed the history of the area, then that should be obvious to you. I will give you one simple reason, why does Abbas consistently shy away from claiming that the Jewish people have a RIGHT to have their own country. He simply cannot say it. Why does he not enter negotiations with Israel with no pre-conditions. Why do Arabs live peacefully in Israel, when if an Israeli was to step into any Arab country they would be killed. Is that the nature of people who WANT peace?
Original post by el scampio
Israel not killing people? What about Operation Cast Lead which left 1,400 Palestinians dead, including 300 children?
What about the 22 Turkish peacekeepers murdered by Israel whilst delivering aid to Palestine?
Israel has consistently demonstrated itself to be the aggressors against Palestinians by using chemical weapons, lying, bulldozing civilian homes, manipulating main-stream-media, disregarding their own intelligence, commiting false flag events, and cutting into sovereign Palestinian territory since its existence.
What about the 22 Turkish peacekeepers murdered by Israel whilst delivering aid to Palestine?
Israel has consistently demonstrated itself to be the aggressors against Palestinians by using chemical weapons, lying, bulldozing civilian homes, manipulating main-stream-media, disregarding their own intelligence, commiting false flag events, and cutting into sovereign Palestinian territory since its existence.
You really want to go into human shields? Because Hamas have one of the worst records for human shields ever whereas Israel may have done it once or twice, but it is always condemned.
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=1304
Your lies don't work here.
Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish
I apologise for 'imposing my opinion'
a) the crimes of Israel are incomparable to any other country
b) isolation
c) hunger strikes due to wrongful imprisonment
d) torture
e) terrorism
f) the basic human rights of people being taken away from them under our noses
g) the massacres of people
h) old men being made to line up in their underwear across the border, then getting shot in front of the women in the cars
i) the humiliation of a people
j) the rape of the little girls, the elderly, and everything inbetween
k) the kidnapping of children
l) the arrest of the 2 year old
m) people getting terrorised in their homes
o) mums standing infront of barrels, so their kids dont have to
p) people hurting
All the frothing in the world can't make these things true.
a) the crimes of Israel are incomparable to any other country
b) isolation
c) hunger strikes due to wrongful imprisonment
d) torture
e) terrorism
f) the basic human rights of people being taken away from them under our noses
g) the massacres of people
h) old men being made to line up in their underwear across the border, then getting shot in front of the women in the cars
i) the humiliation of a people
j) the rape of the little girls, the elderly, and everything inbetween
k) the kidnapping of children
l) the arrest of the 2 year old
m) people getting terrorised in their homes
o) mums standing infront of barrels, so their kids dont have to
p) people hurting
All the frothing in the world can't make these things true.
no, but Israel can. its all there, clear as pure glass. stop arguing with facts, just google israel v palestine pics or youtube. just yesterday an Israeli settler shot a Palestinian boy in the neck. I don't need to make up stories to show the cruelties of Israel.
Original post by j1206
You really want to go into human shields? Because Hamas have one of the worst records for human shields ever whereas Israel may have done it once or twice, but it is always condemned.
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=1304
Your lies don't work here.
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=1304
Your lies don't work here.
i liked but i meant to dislike. i have never in my life seen a single pic of Hamas using kids as shields. i think they're smarter, seen as Israel couldn't give a damn, baby, adult or elderly; if they aint Jewish, then Israel wants them dead.
Original post by MariamB
no, but Israel can. its all there, clear as pure glass. stop arguing with facts, just google israel v palestine pics or youtube. just yesterday an Israeli settler shot a Palestinian boy in the neck. I don't need to make up stories to show the cruelties of Israel.
might be worth not making up stories then. still haven't provided a shred of evidence for all your frothy claims. it's not as if you haven't had time.
Original post by A128
Well yes I do think it lies more with the Palestinians than Israeli leaders...Palestine does not WANT peace, they WANT the land that is currently known as Israel.
Israel WANT peace. If you have followed the history of the area, then that should be obvious to you. I will give you one simple reason, why does Abbas consistently shy away from claiming that the Jewish people have a RIGHT to have their own country. He simply cannot say it. Why does he not enter negotiations with Israel with no pre-conditions. Why do Arabs live peacefully in Israel, when if an Israeli was to step into any Arab country they would be killed. Is that the nature of people who WANT peace?
Israel WANT peace. If you have followed the history of the area, then that should be obvious to you. I will give you one simple reason, why does Abbas consistently shy away from claiming that the Jewish people have a RIGHT to have their own country. He simply cannot say it. Why does he not enter negotiations with Israel with no pre-conditions. Why do Arabs live peacefully in Israel, when if an Israeli was to step into any Arab country they would be killed. Is that the nature of people who WANT peace?
HAHAHHAAHHAHAHA Israel wants peace? BABABHAAHAHAHHHAHA you should be a comedian, never heard so much crap out of Jew's mouth before.
I'll tell you the history, simple.
"One land (britain) promised a people (jews) the land of another's (palestine), and Palestine are saying FECK OFF OUR LAND, israel's all like, nooo, we want peace. rape youur little sister, kill 90% of you, take over 92% of your land, but let's all make a cake from rainbows and smiles, and eat out of it and be happy.
piss off, come back with some truth. is it a big frikking wonder that Palestine turned you down on your imaginary offer????
seen as you're obv not that bright, i'll spell the next bit out for you too; it's a rhetoric, dont reply.
Original post by tufc
'Palestine' may be the historic name for an area, but that doesn't mean it's a legitimate entity.
so what does make something a legitimate entity?? killing everyone else in the area, and taking it over??
Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish
It's a lack of self-control among a soldier who should know better. The IDF agreed, which is why they relieved him of his post and disciplined him.
Huh? Someone said they heard that someone else said sort of thing?
Against terrorists and other militants, sure, of course they 'condone' violence aka military action.
Huh? Someone said they heard that someone else said sort of thing?
Against terrorists and other militants, sure, of course they 'condone' violence aka military action.
who says they are terrorists? its not like Israel is going to say; these are innocent, lovely people, doing nothing to harm us; support us while we massacre them.
Original post by MariamB
so what does make something a legitimate entity?? killing everyone else in the area, and taking it over??
Not really, but then Israel didn't quite do that...
Original post by MariamB
HAHAHHAAHHAHAHA Israel wants peace? BABABHAAHAHAHHHAHA you should be a comedian, never heard so much crap out of Jew's mouth before.
I'll tell you the history, simple.
"One land (britain) promised a people (jews) the land of another's (palestine), and Palestine are saying FECK OFF OUR LAND, israel's all like, nooo, we want peace. rape youur little sister, kill 90% of you, take over 92% of your land, but let's all make a cake from rainbows and smiles, and eat out of it and be happy.
piss off, come back with some truth. is it a big frikking wonder that Palestine turned you down on your imaginary offer????
seen as you're obv not that bright, i'll spell the next bit out for you too; it's a rhetoric, dont reply.
I'll tell you the history, simple.
"One land (britain) promised a people (jews) the land of another's (palestine), and Palestine are saying FECK OFF OUR LAND, israel's all like, nooo, we want peace. rape youur little sister, kill 90% of you, take over 92% of your land, but let's all make a cake from rainbows and smiles, and eat out of it and be happy.
piss off, come back with some truth. is it a big frikking wonder that Palestine turned you down on your imaginary offer????
seen as you're obv not that bright, i'll spell the next bit out for you too; it's a rhetoric, dont reply.
First of all calling me 'not that bright' and referring to me as a 'Jew' for no constructive reason just reflects how arrogant and immature you are. No wonder you have such a stance on Israel, it reflects you.
Of course I am going to reply, so there is no need to write such a pointless comment.
Your going to explain to me the history!, where did you learn that from? I didnt know that....ooh maybe because its not true darling. Rape your little sister? Please cut the crap, please.
The Palestinians (not Palestine - there is no such place, its as existent as Hogwarts), was not offered 'an imaginary offer as it wasn't actually Israel who 'offered it'. In 1937 the Peel Commision recommended a division of the land - an Arab state and a Jewish state. The Arab state would have included 96% of the territory that the League of Nations had already designated for the Jewish state. However, Haj Ammin Al Husseini said 'No'. So I think you need to learn some history.
Lastly, I believe you didn't want me to comment, as perhaps I would have completely destroyed you poor argument, which choose to attack me rather than the actual topic. I think the 'imaginary' offer you speak of is in the 'imaginary' land of Palestine you think of.
Original post by MariamB
HAHAHHAAHHAHAHA Israel wants peace? BABABHAAHAHAHHHAHA you should be a comedian, never heard so much crap out of Jew's mouth before.
I'll tell you the history, simple.
"One land (britain) promised a people (jews) the land of another's (palestine), and Palestine are saying FECK OFF OUR LAND, israel's all like, nooo, we want peace. rape youur little sister, kill 90% of you, take over 92% of your land, but let's all make a cake from rainbows and smiles, and eat out of it and be happy.
piss off, come back with some truth. is it a big frikking wonder that Palestine turned you down on your imaginary offer????
seen as you're obv not that bright, i'll spell the next bit out for you too; it's a rhetoric, dont reply.
I'll tell you the history, simple.
"One land (britain) promised a people (jews) the land of another's (palestine), and Palestine are saying FECK OFF OUR LAND, israel's all like, nooo, we want peace. rape youur little sister, kill 90% of you, take over 92% of your land, but let's all make a cake from rainbows and smiles, and eat out of it and be happy.
piss off, come back with some truth. is it a big frikking wonder that Palestine turned you down on your imaginary offer????
seen as you're obv not that bright, i'll spell the next bit out for you too; it's a rhetoric, dont reply.
You are so strongly mistaken.
Firstly, prominent Muslims such as Sherif Hussein, the guardian of the Islamic Holy Places in Arabia, said the Palestinians’ ancestors had only been in the area for 1,000 years. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFroots.html#3
This is in stark contrast to the tens of thousands of pieces of archaeological evidence ranging from Jewish ritual baths, to written documents that undoubtedly prove a strong Israeli presence in Israel (For your edification, the term 'Palestine' was given by the Romans.) for the past (no less than) 3000 years.
Secondly, Israel is surrounded by 26 official Muslim states and 18 official Christian states. Israel (size of New Jersey,of which 60% desert) is the only Jewish state in the world.
Is a ratio of 26:18:1 not good enough for you?
And it's not like Israel hasn't contributed to the world: Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than anywhere else in the world by a large margin. Israek leads the world in patents. More Nasdaq listed companies than Europe, more than India, China and Japan combined. Israeli scientific institutions are ranked 3rd in the world, space sciences 2nd.
Great video here:www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ1nEDgN_04
Relative to it's size, is the number 1 immigrant absorbing nation on earth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KnmobK22KEk#!
You might ask why Israel limits certain migration, well here you have it:
Palestinians 'bite the hand that feeds'. Despicable. Girl passes check point on way to Israeli hospital for medical treatment. Her real intentions: bomb a hospital at a time when there are usually 100 patients around.
FYI, Israel was the first government in the whole of the middle east to ordain a Muslim female judge.
There are Muslim members of the Israeli parliament. Apartheid?
No doubt (as much as you may deny it), your anti-israel stance is influenced by the media.
If you really want to know what's going on, then I suggest you take a look at the following links. (The first one is like crazy shocking)
http://honestreporting.com/the-photo-that-started-it-all/
http://honestreporting.com/category/photo-bias/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO_tMq3jL2w&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr4qiqM83pM&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4SxXVMYSww&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc1kDE4jeHc&feature=channel&list=UL
http://honestreporting.com/hot-topics/defending-israel-against-claims-of-excessive-force/
Nothing will ever be done about it to be honest. If it was Palestine americans would start a "war on terror" and to "save" there country.
When it is Israel every one is silent.
USA is owned and controlled by Israel. The media is in there pockets aswell. You will NEVER hear any negative news about Israel on TV. EVER.
The only place you find such things is either by using yahoo news or youtube
When it is Israel every one is silent.
USA is owned and controlled by Israel. The media is in there pockets aswell. You will NEVER hear any negative news about Israel on TV. EVER.
The only place you find such things is either by using yahoo news or youtube
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