[natchina]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
Taking a nationalist approach to socialism (because the anti-immigration thing isn't inherent in socialism, which in general seeks amelioration of the whole world) = national(ist) socialism, no?

Are you trying to suggest that socialists have a duty to betray their own working people for some utopian ideal? When did socialism become right wing capitalist globalism? When were socialists required to champion the exploitation of cheap labour?

Mass immigration is about as right wing a policy as you can get.

[chrisawhitmore]

(Original post by meenu89)
It's about time we had a referendum on our membership. A lot has changed since 1975.

The name for a start.

[Harrifer]

(Original post by multiplexing-gamer)
What're your views on taxing the super rich? I don't we should, just because they're successful, we should punish them? They probably spend more money than a lot of people in the UK ploughing more money into business'. I'm not saying we should tax the poor super high, but lowering and highering the tax thresholds for poor households isn't going to make a huge difference on the economy. The real trading goes on with the rich; with their expensive cars, computers,clothes etc... We want to encourage rich people to the UK to spend lots of money, not make poor people a few quids in, which won't have any real effect. Just a ploy to gain votes if you ask me.

I think regardless of what your political views are, you shouldn't underestimate the complexity of taxing top earners.

You've got to consider that anyone who earns £100,000 would consider it well worth their time to have an accountant, whose job it is to make sure they pay as little tax as possible.

The rich are a slippery bunch, and it's not necessarily true that raising their income tax would result in more money for the treasury.

[Tahooper]

Other than their official view on smoking and gay marriage I agree most with UKIP.

[Tahooper]

(Original post by multiplexing-gamer)
How come so many people on TSR support UKIP but they aren't widely popular outside of the website? 'The big three' tend to be Labour, Conservative and Lib dem, but UKIP are dominating here.

Many polls such as YouGov place UKIP as tied or just behind the Lib Dems (by like 1 or 2%) nationally.

[Tahooper]

(Original post by electriic_ink)
Do you really think the British public are the group of people best qualified to make such an important economic decision? Thanks to the wonderful state education system in this country, most of us have never studied economics in our lives and a significant number of people's opinion on the EU is based entirely on anti-EU media lies.

edit: Example http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/...ping-bags.html

Don't be so condescending, I'd be willing to bet there is a higher proportion of people who support the EU (despite the fact British taxpayers give the EU £50 million a day and 70% of UK laws are made in Brussels) who have never studies economics than the other way round.

By the way, in case you hadn't noticed all, the media is staunchly pro-EU (other than tabloids and the Daily Mail, which nobody takes seriously anyway so they don't really count).

[ziziii]

house party

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Tahooper)
Other than their official view on smoking and gay marriage I agree most with UKIP.

Whats not to like about the smoking policy?

The smoking ban is highly illiberal.

[Aphotic Cosmos]

Lib Dem.

Because they are still the only party interested in doing the right thing without going totally wacko. Forgive me if I fail to see how achieving 70% of our electoral manifesto, wanting a future for us in Europe, and sticking to the principles we have fought for since before I was born such as accepting the legitimacy of coalition governments is a bad thing.

The Conservatives are a bunch of corrupt sleazebags, and always will be. The Labour party sold whatever soul it had in a desperate bid for electoral relevance in the 1980s. I will not lightly abandon a party which still holds the promise of a bright future for Britain, just because others jumped off of the general election bandwagon after it was over.

[Soilwork]

(Original post by Electronica)
Ah, but you see, what links them is they both want a smaller state. Both aim for devolution, one in Scotland, and one from the EU. I know it's an odd combination, but I believe in a more direct, and indeed more democratic state of financial control. If there were a party that really supported right wing liberal values then I would support them, but the SNP are such a well performing government up here, I just like them. It's about competency more than ideology essentially.

So if/when Scotland does gain indepedence and decides to join the EU and the Euro, who will you vote for?

[Doskey]

If there was a more left-wing UKIP That would be good.

[Carecup]

Disillusioned Lib Dem voter. Honestly I have no clue what party to support.

[IAmNotKira]

(Original post by Tahooper)
Don't be so condescending, I'd be willing to bet there is a higher proportion of people who support the EU (despite the fact British taxpayers give the EU £50 million a day and 70% of UK laws are made in Brussels) who have never studies economics than the other way round.

Where did you get the 70% figure from? I remember reading it somewhere and it turned out to be a fabrication. As for £50 million, did you get that figure from the British treasury gross contribution minus the amount paid back to us or Farage?

[pr0view]

UKIP for me as well as the Conservatives aren't very conservative any more.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

(Original post by natchina)
Are you trying to suggest that socialists have a duty to betray their own working people for some utopian ideal? When did socialism become right wing capitalist globalism? When were socialists required to champion the exploitation of cheap labour?

Mass immigration is about as right wing a policy as you can get.

Mass immigration for the exploitation of cheap labour is perhaps a right wing policy, but opening state borders in the name of equality is distinctly left. Applying socialism within one's own state only is essentially Nazi policy (albeit without the prejudicial side) - it should also be noted that I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing; indeed, a non-prejudiced Hitler would govern most world nations better than their current leaders!

[Electronica]

(Original post by Soilwork)
So if/when Scotland does gain indepedence and decides to join the EU and the Euro, who will you vote for?

Difficult question. I admire the euroscepticism of UKIP (or Scottish equivalent of the party) but they are far too authoritarian. There is a huge gap in politics when it comes to advocating free market economics with maximum personal freedom and I just can't take the Liberal Democrats seriously. I think eventually I would settle for the SNP again.

Who would you support?

[The Good]

UKIP, as out of the main political parties I agree most with their manifesto.

Please come and vote on your first choice London mayoral candidate below.

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[natchina]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
Mass immigration for the exploitation of cheap labour is perhaps a right wing policy, but opening state borders in the name of equality is distinctly left. Applying socialism within one's own state only is essentially Nazi policy (albeit without the prejudicial side) - it should also be noted that I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing; indeed, a non-prejudiced Hitler would govern most world nations better than their current leaders!

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opening up the borders in the name of equality? i don't understand the concept behind that statement?


applying socialism to your own country does not make you a nazi. the idea of international socialism and national socialism is the extremist fringe of socialism -- marxism and nazism. socialism in the moderate sense does not have anything to do with these concepts.

socialists have to look after their own working people first. open borders betrays the working man by creating a dog eat dog environment for the very poorest in society. it is about the exploitation of the poor by the poorer for the benefit of the richest.

unfortunately, the left have been conned about why mass immigration is happening. they have sucked up this utopian rhetoric and have looked the other way with their fingers in their ears.

[pr0view]

This thread has put me in quite a good mood seeing the support for UKIP. Thought the younger generations of Britain were doomed to fall into the pit of socialism.

[the man from space]

Well research suggest that when a person is of voting age, in their first 2-3 elections they are more likely to vote for whom their parents voted for.

I would say that im a bit of a leftie so i would probably support Labour, i think the days of New Labour under Blair is where my support comes from, but since Red Ed took over and the Tories gave up their ideology and came to the centre on the political scale, i mostly agree with them.