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    The Monster Raving Loony Party, as anyone following the TSR Model House of Commons will be aware, as in a way I represent them.

    On Thursday with the Mayor and Assembly elections I do not have that option. For the Mayor I'm voting for Jenny Jones (Green candidate) and for the Assembly, the candidate best placed to oust Brian Coleman.

    Local shops carry a poster asking people to vote ABC (Anyone but Coleman) owing to the local parking policies introduced by him (which to me seem very unTory). He also made allegations about Ted Heath's private life which in my view even if remotely true should not have been made about a deceased person.

    And he once reversed his car out of his drive without looking properly and could have run into me if I hadn't had the presence of mind to look carefully.
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    SNP. I agree with almost all of their policies apart from independence and at the end of it they haven't promised independence they promised to give the people the choice on independence, which I intend to vote 'no' on. They are a very effective government as the only policy I can think of that they haven't had success in is the referendum. This week the UK went back into recession but Scotland didn't. Whether or not you approve of them the SNP are very good at their job.
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    (Original post by Electronica)
    Difficult question. I admire the euroscepticism of UKIP (or Scottish equivalent of the party) but they are far too authoritarian. There is a huge gap in politics when it comes to advocating free market economics with maximum personal freedom and I just can't take the Liberal Democrats seriously. I think eventually I would settle for the SNP again.

    Who would you support?
    I'm not sure tbh. Independence seems to be the SNPs Raison d'etre so if that was achieved what would become of them? If they did continue to exist then I can see myself voting for them again as I agree with more of their policies than any of the other Scottish parties at present.

    Obviously Labour are quite similar to the SNP on most issues bar independence but I don't think Johann Lamont would make as good a Prime Minister as Alex Salmond.
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    (Original post by claireg172)
    SNP. I agree with almost all of their policies apart from independence and at the end of it they haven't promised independence they promised to give the people the choice on independence, which I intend to vote 'no' on. They are a very effective government as the only policy I can think of that they haven't had success in is the referendum. This week the UK went back into recession but Scotland didn't. Whether or not you approve of them the SNP are very good at their job.
    I agree, I don't support independence but I think Scotland has carved out a good role in the union and could well be a model for the Welsh, as well as England to follow (obviously in England you would have to have say a South West parliament). I don't agree with the SNP's free prescriptions, but they are fairly competent beyond that.
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    (Original post by Soilwork)
    I'm not sure tbh. Independence seems to be the SNPs Raison d'etre so if that was achieved what would become of them? If they did continue to exist then I can see myself voting for them again as I agree with more of their policies than any of the other Scottish parties at present.

    Obviously Labour are quite similar to the SNP on most issues bar independence but I don't think Johann Lamont would make as good a Prime Minister as Alex Salmond.
    If you think independence is the SNP's "Raison d'etre" then you are just as bad as the people that think all the Greens care about is environmental issues. It's really not the case. I feel Scotland has been extremely well run over the past five years compared to the pre 2007 Labour administration and that's without a whiff of independence. I can't help but feel corruption is rife within the Labour party, not sure they deserve to be in government again with the level of spending that they maintain. Their party stands for nothing and is constantly changing its policies to pander to the votes of the majority which is little more than exploitation. Johann Lamont would make a terrible prime minister.
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    (Original post by natchina)
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    opening up the borders in the name of equality? i don't understand the concept behind that statement?


    applying socialism to your own country does not make you a nazi. the idea of international socialism and national socialism is the extremist fringe of socialism -- marxism and nazism. socialism in the moderate sense does not have anything to do with these concepts.

    socialists have to look after their own working people first. open borders betrays the working man by creating a dog eat dog environment for the very poorest in society. it is about the exploitation of the poor by the poorer for the benefit of the richest.

    unfortunately, the left have been conned about why mass immigration is happening. they have sucked up this utopian rhetoric and have looked the other way with their fingers in their ears.
    In no way does socialism concern itself directly with looking after 'one's own' - indeed, that's not far from the capitalist idea of the nuclear family. Socialism is about achieving equality for all - although it's debatable, I believe that the main difference between socialism and communism is that communism has no system of currency, whereas under a socialist system, all would have the same income yet would be able to use it as they pleased (except, naturally, for the exploitation of others).
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    UKIP because they are right and the others are wrong.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    Whats not to like about the smoking policy?

    The smoking ban is highly illiberal.
    I'm a non-smoker (surprise, surprise) and I don't like the sight or smell of it. Plus the health and well-being of 3/4 of the UK population should precede the addiction of the other 1/4 (i.e. the smokers).

    I really don't care if the smoking ban is illiberal, it's in the best interests of at least 75% of the UK population.
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    (Original post by Electronica)
    If you think independence is the SNP's "Raison d'etre" then you are just as bad as the people that think all the Greens care about is environmental issues. It's really not the case. I feel Scotland has been extremely well run over the past five years compared to the pre 2007 Labour administration and that's without a whiff of independence. I can't help but feel corruption is rife within the Labour party, not sure they deserve to be in government again with the level of spending that they maintain. Their party stands for nothing and is constantly changing its policies to pander to the votes of the majority which is little more than exploitation. Johann Lamont would make a terrible prime minister.
    Obviously the Greens aren't just concerned with enviromental issues but that is their primary focus. Likewise, the SNP's main concern is independence and once achieved what really seperates them from the Labour Party bar a charismatic leader?
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    (Original post by Soilwork)
    Obviously the Greens aren't just concerned with enviromental issues but that is their primary focus. Likewise, the SNP's main concern is independence and once achieved what really seperates them from the Labour Party bar a charismatic leader?
    Well surely you could phrase that the opposite way, what really separates Labour from the SNP? If the SNP are the same in ideology but more competant in government then I would know who I'd vote for. The Labour party disputed a lot of things in the SNPs previous minority government, they voted against minimum alcohol pricing, they also voted against creating so many thousand apprenticeships on the grounds that there wasn't enough apprenticeships apparently. :confused: That's why I think in the last election they were really punished. This rhetoric about the SNPs focus diverted away from the main issues because of independence is a load of rubbish, I'm sure they are capable of multi-tasking. They proved it in the last government.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    In no way does socialism concern itself directly with looking after 'one's own' - indeed, that's not far from the capitalist idea of the nuclear family. Socialism is about achieving equality for all - although it's debatable, I believe that the main difference between socialism and communism is that communism has no system of currency, whereas under a socialist system, all would have the same income yet would be able to use it as they pleased (except, naturally, for the exploitation of others).


    flooding working communities with cheap foreign competition has nothing to do with socialism or equality. it is pure right wing capitalism.

    when socialism becomes utopian, it morphs into communism -- concepts like equal income for everybody despite their work ethnic or input are communistic and utopian.

    british socialists have a duty to the working people of this country. french socialist have duty for the working people of their country etc etc

    if all socialists looked after their own working people all of the people in the world would be looked after.


    people on the left have to be practical and ditch these ethereal utopian concepts. theres nothing wrong with immigration -- skilled immigration, the kind which helps the NHS for example, can be targeted specifically. its mass immigration which is exploitative and detrimental to the working people of britain.

    its not just the white working class who suffer either. there is also massive unemployment in black and certain asian communities.
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    (Original post by Electronica)
    Difficult question. I admire the euroscepticism of UKIP (or Scottish equivalent of the party) but they are far too authoritarian. There is a huge gap in politics when it comes to advocating free market economics with maximum personal freedom and I just can't take the Liberal Democrats seriously. I think eventually I would settle for the SNP again.

    Who would you support?
    UKIP describe themselves as Libertarian which is the opposite to Authoritarian as you describe them.
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    (Original post by darksideday)
    UKIP describe themselves as Libertarian which is the opposite to Authoritarian as you describe them.
    I wouldn't say their borderline racism is a very libertarian approach to do politics...
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    (Original post by natchina)
    flooding working communities with cheap foreign competition has nothing to do with socialism or equality. it is pure right wing capitalism.

    when socialism becomes utopian, it morphs into communism -- concepts like equal income for everybody despite their work ethnic or input are communistic and utopian.

    british socialists have a duty to the working people of this country. french socialist have duty for the working people of their country etc etc

    if all socialists looked after their own working people all of the people in the world would be looked after.


    people on the left have to be practical and ditch these ethereal utopian concepts. theres nothing wrong with immigration -- skilled immigration, the kind which helps the NHS for example, can be targeted specifically. its mass immigration which is exploitative and detrimental to the working people of britain.

    its not just the white working class who suffer either. there is also massive unemployment in black and certain asian communities.
    The problem with your argument is that there are two strands of socialism, depending on what one considers the 'society' to be (as opposed to the 'commune' in communism); global socialism, which considers utility to the entire world, and national socialism, which puts one's own first, and seems to be somewhat capitalist in its prospect. To achieve the socialist utopia, one must first destroy international differences, whereas national socialism is a 'compromise' state that still allows selfishness to manifest itself, thus operating against the change in mindset required for socialism to work.

    You seem to think that what I propose to be socialism is really communism, but I see three main differences:

    1) True communism has no state control; although there are once again different strands of communism, the only one which really adheres to the axioms is anarcho-syndicalism (whilst socialism is socio-syndicalism for want of a better term).

    2) The aforementioned monetary factor. Communism has no money system.

    3) Under a socialist state, one can choose not to work and to live like a pauper, whereas in a communist one working is enforced.
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    I don't like any of the parties... But if I had to support one fully it would be green, if you told me to vote in a genereal election between the 3 main parties it'd be labour.... Liberal democrats well we all know what happened to that.... And I don't like what the tories are doing to the NHS.
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    My political views are closest to the Thatcher government from 1979 - 1990, as i'm an advocate of monetary policy, and believe strongly in privatisation. Also i liked their views on Law and Order, and Thatchers euro skeptic view which developed later on in her time in power.

    But at the moment, I support the current Conservative party as I think they are doing the right thing with deficit reduction (to protect our AAA rating). I also like the innovative ideas with the countries infrastructure for example HS2 and Boris Island.

    But I would position myself in between the one nation Conservatives and UKIP on the left right divide.
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    (Original post by joe3469)
    Labour are definitely the lesser evil when it comes to the three main parties. Unfortunately they've strayed so far from their socialist roots that these days are Tories in all but name. I also have a lot of time for the green party but in a general election I would probably have to vote labour because of our broken electoral system.
    I'm a democratic socialist because my love for equality and liberty calls for advocating the redistribution of power and wealth from the millionaires to the millions without resorting to authoritarian means.
    Lol the lesser evil
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    The problem with your argument is that there are two strands of socialism, depending on what one considers the 'society' to be (as opposed to the 'commune' in communism); global socialism, which considers utility to the entire world, and national socialism, which puts one's own first, and seems to be somewhat capitalist in its prospect. To achieve the socialist utopia, one must first destroy international differences, whereas national socialism is a 'compromise' state that still allows selfishness to manifest itself, thus operating against the change in mindset required for socialism to work.

    You seem to think that what I propose to be socialism is really communism, but I see three main differences:

    1) True communism has no state control; although there are once again different strands of communism, the only one which really adheres to the axioms is anarcho-syndicalism (whilst socialism is socio-syndicalism for want of a better term).

    2) The aforementioned monetary factor. Communism has no money system.

    3) Under a socialist state, one can choose not to work and to live like a pauper, whereas in a communist one working is enforced.

    I think your interpretations, although technically correct going by the Marxist doctrines, have no real relevance to actual people.

    Most people who consider themselves Left wing and socialist are not concerned with the Marxian goals of a world socialist utopia. That sort of thing is for the ideologues on the fringe to discuss in ivory towers.


    Semantically speaking, anyone on the left who cares first about the british working class is a national socialist, but to call these people nazi is just plan wrong.
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    (Original post by natchina)
    I think your interpretations, although technically correct going by the Marxist doctrines, have no real relevance to actual people.

    Most people who consider themselves Left wing and socialist are not concerned with the Marxian goals of a world socialist utopia. That sort of thing is for the ideologues on the fringe to discuss in ivory towers.


    Semantically speaking, anyone on the left who cares first about the british working class is a national socialist, but to call these people nazi is just plan wrong.
    The thing is there is no logical reason to consider the working class of your own nation ahead of any other.

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