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    Labour. Although i feel david cameron has done well during his time as prime minister, by trying to get out of debt rather than just creating more, he's cutting the money from the wrong places imo. Although conservatives may benefit the countries economy the most, labour benefits it's people the most.
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    Identified with nationalist politics during my early teens. I supported the National Democrats until they basically became defunct, and then since about 18 (i'm now 22) have supported the British National Party.

    I believe in economic nationalism (protectionism), withdrawing our troops from illegal wars which have nothing to do with Britain (Afghanistan etc), bringing back capital punishment, leaving the EU and ending mass immigration.
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    (Original post by PaddyT)
    I would say that on the whole Labour encapsulate the main points in which I'd expect from a political party, there's some that I would like them to be more vocal on such as support for the Palestinian struggle but I understand these are personal ambitions and not party-wide ambitions.
    The 'Palestinian struggle' that has committed thousands of terrorist acts. Those Palestinians who elected Hamas, a terrorist organisation who want to destroy Israel. They know full well that as soon as they stop sending the rockets over, they will be able to live in peace. Contrary to the Palestinian propaganda, Israel does not want to kill Palestinians and all Israel has ever wanted is to be able to live side by side with them in peace. But Israel cannot guarantee the safety of Israeli citizens whilst a terrorist organisation who wants to destroy them rules in Gaza.
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    In Scotland, I'm an SNP man. As for Westminster, I'll have anybody who isn't a Tory (save Nick Griffin), but that's a common thing for Scottish people, as the old adage goes:

    "If you give every man in Scotland a shovel, they'd dig Margaret Thatcher's grave"
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    SNP - Because I want Scotland to achieve its potential.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    I agree on principle but I oftedn find that people who are defending the tory line, or eu wide centre-right austerity program, don't know how to back up their soundbites

    Does the private sector have jobs to offer?

    What will cause economics growth?

    Should it not be the private sector in the first place?

    Please, link me to some reputable sources about how tackling unemployment has affected (I assume negatively) the stock market. [As a side not, if anything, the world has been focusing on austerity, especially on the most advanced nations)

    How are the policies good for the long term, and how is focusing on unemployment>austerity/deficity?
    Of course the private sector has jobs to offer, look at Jaguar Land Rover and the I54 area, Hyundai in Sunderland, or again Moog international in Wolverhampton. Also this new legislation that Cameron is trying to bring forward "hire and fire" will boost employment as businesses will easily be able to employ many new staff to boost productivity during peak times. This especially applies to small businesses.

    Economic growth will be driven by investment, however investment in employment (through borrowing and gaining debt) will also produce economic growth. The growth will hide the debt (this is what i mean by a short term fix) and leave an even bigger problem for 20 years time.

    The policies are good for long term because so long as we have a deficit we can't actually have true economic growth. Any growth we get will cover the debt but the debt will still be present and will still grow. However if we as a nation get rid of the debt (through austerity cuts) then we can focus entirely on economic growth.
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    (Original post by Alofleicester)
    The Greens, purely on the basis I dislike all the others and the Greens can at least be slightly left-wing.
    I thoguht you were Communist?
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    (Original post by joe3469)
    Labour are definitely the lesser evil when it comes to the three main parties. Unfortunately they've strayed so far from their socialist roots that these days are Tories in all but name. I also have a lot of time for the green party but in a general election I would probably have to vote labour because of our broken electoral system.
    I'm a democratic socialist because my love for equality and liberty calls for advocating the redistribution of power and wealth from the millionaires to the millions without resorting to authoritarian means.
    Just some niggling questions; equality of opportunity or outcome?
    And second, if we tax these 'millionaires' they will leave and go to China etcetera; new taxes only end up affecting the hard working middle classes!

    I am UKIP simply because I am against the EU then Conservative, although NOT for David Cameron.
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    I'm politically Libertarian, so I like the Pirate Party here in Germany. But fiscally I'm conservative, although as an Atheist I cannot support the Conservatives, particularly after Cameron has pandered to the idea that the UK is a "Christian nation" :confused:

    I'm not a great fan of the EU and think it should be overhauled to increase it's democratic credentials.
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    (Original post by multiplexing-gamer)
    I thoguht you were Communist?
    I pretty much am, and the Greens do have a little communist branch to entice me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Left_(UK)
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    (Original post by Spiky_Roses)
    Just some niggling questions; equality of opportunity or outcome?
    And second, if we tax these 'millionaires' they will leave and go to China etcetera; new taxes only end up affecting the hard working middle classes!

    I am UKIP simply because I am against the EU then Conservative, although NOT for David Cameron.
    Some interesting points raised. Of course I believe in a form of meritocracy, in that those who work hard and show initiative should be rewarded, but I also believe genuine equality of opportunity cannot exist within a class society. Therefore in my opinion, a degree of "equality of outcome" (although I dislike the term) through redistribution of wealth is needed to get everyone on the same starting block. For example those born into wealthy families and privately educated are much more likely to get positions of power, in politics or business, than someone from a working class background.
    Secondly I see the issue that ultra high progressive taxation raises in a competitive globalised world. That's a good reason for why the socialist movement needs to be international. Also there is much debate over just what is the ideal tax rate for maximising revenue. The Laffer curve estimates for this value vary between 20% and 70%. With this in mind, I think it's unrealistic to go back to the 95% top income tax rates of old labour but I'd say it's reasonable to assume 55% or perhaps even 60% wouldn't have a negative effect on the economy. The 50p rate didn't aggrevate the super rich that much as since the financial crisis the number of millionaires in Britian increased 17% from 2008-2011 (and that comes from the Daily Mail lol). I'd also have an ethical issue with anyone who refuses to stay in the UK to save paying as much tax. It's corporation tax that is the biggest hinderence to businesses anyway, not income tax. Finally it might not even be about raising taxes but just cracking down on the evasion and avoidance which costs the UK between £40 and £120 billion/year. This is a significant slice of the annual deficit and if collected could reduce the savage cuts that communities are having to endure.
    I'd always thought of UKIP as the moderate version of the BNP, but it appears of late that their ideology has shifted from nationalism to libertarian conservatism. For a massive lefty I'm not that fond of the EU. Like Tony Benn once said it's a democratic not nationalistic argument that monetary policy should be accountable to the people. I like the idea of a federal integrated Europe but it seems the current EU is just an unelected rich man's club that enjoys imposing savage austerity on the PIIGS.
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    (Original post by natchina)
    flooding working communities with cheap foreign competition has nothing to do with socialism or equality. it is pure right wing capitalism.

    when socialism becomes utopian, it morphs into communism -- concepts like equal income for everybody despite their work ethnic or input are communistic and utopian.

    british socialists have a duty to the working people of this country. french socialist have duty for the working people of their country etc etc

    if all socialists looked after their own working people all of the people in the world would be looked after.


    people on the left have to be practical and ditch these ethereal utopian concepts. theres nothing wrong with immigration -- skilled immigration, the kind which helps the NHS for example, can be targeted specifically. its mass immigration which is exploitative and detrimental to the working people of britain.

    its not just the white working class who suffer either. there is also massive unemployment in black and certain asian communities.

    There is so much wrong with immigration. Too many immigrant workers who are getting jobs on public services such as the NHS are causing poor care standards and higher unemployment. Poor care standards are due to immigrant workers not being able to speak English or good enough English and rising unemployment speaks for itself. I went in to hospital last week for a minor surgery. In my care before and after the surgery I had 1 nurse who could actually speak English, during my stay at hospital I had 12 nurses.
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    (Original post by j1206)
    The 'Palestinian struggle' that has committed thousands of terrorist acts. Those Palestinians who elected Hamas, a terrorist organisation who want to destroy Israel. They know full well that as soon as they stop sending the rockets over, they will be able to live in peace. Contrary to the Palestinian propaganda, Israel does not want to kill Palestinians and all Israel has ever wanted is to be able to live side by side with them in peace. But Israel cannot guarantee the safety of Israeli citizens whilst a terrorist organisation who wants to destroy them rules in Gaza.
    Wow. Copy and pasted from an Israeli foreign ministry pamphlet?

    Palestinians have their living standards forced upon them, they struggle to live a life with free ambition, aspiration or hope because of an oppressive Israeli regime. They operate illegally within borders outlined by the United Nations where Israelis are displacing indigenous citizens with the construction of housing for citizens of Israel, who coincidentally are subject to different social status.

    Palestine deserves its right to self determination.
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    I don't like pledging my support to any party really and generally consider myself an 'independent'.

    However, I have voted for Conservative, UKIP, Liberal Democrat and Independent candidates in the past and would generally consider myself a conservative/libertarian.

    If an election was called tomorrow I would probably vote UKIP.
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    I really love how the green party get so much support and then fail in general elections.
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    "Parties must never exist in a free country"- Edmund Burke
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    Yeah, so glad there are other Greens out there.
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    (Original post by j1206)
    The 'Palestinian struggle' that has committed thousands of terrorist acts. Those Palestinians who elected Hamas, a terrorist organisation who want to destroy Israel. They know full well that as soon as they stop sending the rockets over, they will be able to live in peace. Contrary to the Palestinian propaganda, Israel does not want to kill Palestinians and all Israel has ever wanted is to be able to live side by side with them in peace. But Israel cannot guarantee the safety of Israeli citizens whilst a terrorist organisation who wants to destroy them rules in Gaza.
    You naive boy.
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    I did used to support the BNP but as theyve become more liberal I support National Front now because I don't want white people becoming the minority in this country. In Other countries Front National, NPD, Golden Dawn and Forza Nuova.
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    (Original post by j1206)
    The 'Palestinian struggle' that has committed thousands of terrorist acts. Those Palestinians who elected Hamas, a terrorist organisation who want to destroy Israel. They know full well that as soon as they stop sending the rockets over, they will be able to live in peace. Contrary to the Palestinian propaganda, Israel does not want to kill Palestinians and all Israel has ever wanted is to be able to live side by side with them in peace. But Israel cannot guarantee the safety of Israeli citizens whilst a terrorist organisation who wants to destroy them rules in Gaza.
    Care to explain why Israel carries on building illegal settlements on Palestinian land effectively making a two state solution impossible?
    Anyway how would you feel of a group of people turned up on your land backed by a superpower, they want the land for themselves because their ancestors lived there over a thousand years ago. They want a return to the same boarders as the old greater Israel and that really doesn't leave any room for Palestinians on their own land


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