(Original post by Christianlady)
Hello At Peace,
Could you please quote where in the Bible? Thanks.
Again, could you please quote that in the Bible? Also, what do you believe concerning the following prophesy by the prophet Joel?
(I like to quote from the Tanakh, since the Old Testament of the Christian Bible is basically the Tanakh.)
Joel 3 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ble/Joel3.html
(I boldened some.)
"1 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions;
2 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.
3 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
4 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of HaShem come.
5 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of HaShem shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those that escape, as HaShem hath said, and among the remnant those whom HaShem shall call."
This wonderful prophecy of Joel clearly shows that both sons and daughters shall prophesy (prophets = people who prophesy) and that God will pour His spirit on all flesh!!! This is amazing and is so beautiful!!!
It reminds me of a wish Moses had:
Numbers 11 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...Numbers11.html
(I boldened all.)
"29 And Moses said unto him: 'Art thou jealous for my sake? would that all HaShem'S people were prophets, that HaShem would put His spirit upon them!'"
So, the idea of a last prophet is not a Christian belief. The prophesy of Joel is considered by Christians to began to be fulfilled (and is still being fulfilled) accounted in Acts 2
Acts 2 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...02&version=NIV
(I boldened some.)
"14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[Joel 2:28-32 (NIV) or Joel 3 in the Tanakh]
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25 David said about him:
“‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will rest in hope,
27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
you will not let your holy one see decay.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’[Psalm 16:8-11 (see Septuagint)]
29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’[Psalm 110:1]
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off —for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day."
First of all, I have had interesting discussions with Muslims before who have even accused the Song of Solomon to be pornography, which I personally don't believe it is. It is intriguing that other Muslims claim Muhammad is mentioned in something other Muslims claim to be pornography.
Regardless, could you please quote and explain why you believe that mentions specifically Muhammad? Thanks.
Could you please quote this and explain why you believe this? Thanks.
Muhammad specifically claimed many times hell would be for those who did not accept him being the messenger. However, Moses did not ever threaten his followers with hell. Now, those of the children of Israel who rebelled against his leadership were physically punished, many being killed by God, but Moses never threatened them with an eternal torture chamber.
Now, Jesus did talk about hell, but interestingly, most of his talk concerning hell involves people who did not care for others, who did not help those in need, which is interesting.
There are other many important differences between Judaism (Moses), Christianity (Jesus) and Islam (Muhammad), but as you said, this is a very long, serious discussion and therefore we can just discuss the differences points at a time, if you wish.
To other people reading this, I would like to ask that this thread follow the high standard of respectful discussion? This thread is not a persuasive debate, by the way, but rather a discussion for Christians and Muslims to discuss the differences in their beliefs in a courteous manner.
Peace and God bless