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    (Original post by NuckingFut)
    please explain what you mean by this.
    Hello NuckingFut,

    I'm sorry I really have to go now, but if God wills, hope to explain later.

    Basically there are people who say they are true prophets from God but who are not really prophesying prophesies from God. A prophet is anyone who prophesies, and there are true prophets and false prophets. Jesus warned that false prophets will come and deceive many, accounted in Matthew 24.

    If God wills, will explain more later.

    Peace and God bless you
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    (Original post by gunit123)
    No apostle mentions that Jesus(PBUH) is in fact of Son of God (Jesus (pbuh) himself never claimed to be).
    I and my Father are one. (John 10:30 KJV)

    Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (John 10:31 KJV)

    Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (John 10:32 KJV)

    The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:33 KJV)

    Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (John 10:34 KJV)

    If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (John 10:35 KJV)

    Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (John 10:36 KJV)

    If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. (John 10:37 KJV)

    But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (John 10:38 KJV)




    Clearly here Jesus claimed both to be a person of God and the Son of God.
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    I and my Father are one. (John 10:30 KJV)

    Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (John 10:31 KJV)

    Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (John 10:32 KJV)

    The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:33 KJV)

    Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (John 10:34 KJV)

    If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (John 10:35 KJV)

    Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (John 10:36 KJV)

    If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. (John 10:37 KJV)

    But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (John 10:38 KJV)




    Clearly here Jesus claimed both to be a person of God and the Son of God.
    (i) "My Father is greater than I."
    [The Bible, John 14:28]

    (ii) "My Father is greater than all."
    [The Bible, John 10:29]

    (iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
    [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

    (iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
    [The Bible, Luke 11:20]

    (v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
    [The Bible, John 5:30]
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    (Original post by gunit123)
    (i) "My Father is greater than I."
    [The Bible, John 14:28]

    (ii) "My Father is greater than all."
    [The Bible, John 10:29]

    (iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
    [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

    (iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
    [The Bible, Luke 11:20]

    (v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
    [The Bible, John 5:30]
    Yes....what's your point?
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    (Original post by Christianlady)
    Hello Exe,

    I totally agree that the Bible does not mention Muhammad, though I believe Muhammad is one of the false prophets Jesus prophesied would come, accounted in Matthew 24:11.

    However, some Muslims do believe that Muhammad is mentioned in other places in the Bible.

    This thread is for people to politely explain what they believe concerning the Bible and Muhammad and why.

    Peace and God bless you
    How could he be a false prophet when he's basically preaching the same core message?

    I would've thought false prophets such as possibly (and I want to cause no offence here but in terms of Abrahamic religions) the gurus and Guru Nanak, Sikhism. Amongst other religions after the Abrahamic religions.
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    Here's the refutation; http://www.answering-christianity.co...s_rebuttal.htm

    But both sources are crap, that's why I never bother quoting AC, as they're the same as AI. No surprise about your usage of such sources though.
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    Hello At Peace,

    Could you please quote where in the Bible? Thanks.




    Again, could you please quote that in the Bible? Also, what do you believe concerning the following prophesy by the prophet Joel?

    (I like to quote from the Tanakh, since the Old Testament of the Christian Bible is basically the Tanakh.)

    Joel 3 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ble/Joel3.html
    (I boldened some.)

    "1 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions;

    2 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.

    3 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

    4 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of HaShem come.

    5 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of HaShem shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those that escape, as HaShem hath said, and among the remnant those whom HaShem shall call."


    This wonderful prophecy of Joel clearly shows that both sons and daughters shall prophesy (prophets = people who prophesy) and that God will pour His spirit on all flesh!!! This is amazing and is so beautiful!!!

    It reminds me of a wish Moses had:

    Numbers 11 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...Numbers11.html
    (I boldened all.)

    "29 And Moses said unto him: 'Art thou jealous for my sake? would that all HaShem'S people were prophets, that HaShem would put His spirit upon them!'"

    So, the idea of a last prophet is not a Christian belief. The prophesy of Joel is considered by Christians to began to be fulfilled (and is still being fulfilled) accounted in Acts 2

    Acts 2 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...02&version=NIV
    (I boldened some.)

    "14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

    17 “‘In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see visions,
    your old men will dream dreams.
    18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
    and they will prophesy.
    19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
    and signs on the earth below,
    blood and fire and billows of smoke.
    20 The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
    21 And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[Joel 2:28-32 (NIV) or Joel 3 in the Tanakh]

    22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25 David said about him:

    “‘I saw the Lord always before me.
    Because he is at my right hand,
    I will not be shaken.
    26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
    my body also will rest in hope,
    27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
    you will not let your holy one see decay.
    28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
    you will fill me with joy in your presence.’[Psalm 16:8-11 (see Septuagint)]

    29 “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,

    “‘The Lord said to my Lord:
    “Sit at my right hand
    35 until I make your enemies
    a footstool for your feet.”’[Psalm 110:1]

    36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

    37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

    38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off —for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

    40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day."



    First of all, I have had interesting discussions with Muslims before who have even accused the Song of Solomon to be pornography, which I personally don't believe it is. It is intriguing that other Muslims claim Muhammad is mentioned in something other Muslims claim to be pornography.

    Regardless, could you please quote and explain why you believe that mentions specifically Muhammad? Thanks.




    Could you please quote this and explain why you believe this? Thanks.



    Muhammad specifically claimed many times hell would be for those who did not accept him being the messenger. However, Moses did not ever threaten his followers with hell. Now, those of the children of Israel who rebelled against his leadership were physically punished, many being killed by God, but Moses never threatened them with an eternal torture chamber.

    Now, Jesus did talk about hell, but interestingly, most of his talk concerning hell involves people who did not care for others, who did not help those in need, which is interesting.

    There are other many important differences between Judaism (Moses), Christianity (Jesus) and Islam (Muhammad), but as you said, this is a very long, serious discussion and therefore we can just discuss the differences points at a time, if you wish.

    To other people reading this, I would like to ask that this thread follow the high standard of respectful discussion? This thread is not a persuasive debate, by the way, but rather a discussion for Christians and Muslims to discuss the differences in their beliefs in a courteous manner.


    Peace and God bless
    I would concur that Christianity is infinitely more benevolent than Islam
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    (Original post by gltw)
    Yes....what's your point?
    That Jesus is not the Son of God nor did he claim to be!
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    (Original post by gunit123)
    That Jesus is not the Son of God nor did he claim to be!
    Read what the verses say. Don't try to interpret them.
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    (Original post by gltw)
    Read what the verses say. Don't try to interpret them.
    I'm not :confused:
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    Muslims allege that the expression "their brethren" in Deuteronomy 18.18 (the verse you quoted) means the brethren of the Israelites, hence the Ishmaelites. In this case, however, if we are truly to discover the real identity of the prophet who would be like Moses, we must consider the expression in its context.

    God said, "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren." Of whom is God speaking when he speaks of "them" and "their"?

    When we go back to the first two verses of Deuteronomy 18 we find the answer:

    "The Levitical priests, that is, all the tribe of Levi, shall have no portion or inheritance with Israel ... they shall have no inheritance among their brethren". - Deuteronomy 18.1-2.

    It is abundantly clear from these two verses that "they" refers to the tribe of Levi and that "their brethren" refers to the remaining eleven tribes of Israel. This is an inescapable fact. No honest method of interpretation or consistent method of exposition can possibly allow that Deuteronomy 18.18 refers to anyone else than the tribe of Levi and the remaining tribes of Israel.

    We need only accentuate the relevant words from Deuteronomy 18.1-2 to discover the only possible conclusion that can be drawn. The text reads:

    "The tribe of Levi shall have no inheritance with ISRAEL. They shall have no inheritance among THEIR BRETHREN".

    Therefore the only logical interpretation of Deuteronomy 18.18 can be: "I will raise up for them (that is, the tribe of Levi) a prophet like you from among their brethren (that is, one of the other tribes of Israel)". Indeed throughout the Old Testament one often finds the expression "their brethren" meaning the remaining tribes of Israel as distinct from the tribe specifically referred to.

    Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilch...ad.html#Part_1


    Muhammad is NOT mentioned in the Bible. Cheers.
    Well done on that essay. Quite useful to know what you are thinking.

    But it seems you missed the other part of the verse out. I'll post it to you again:

    The only part which you have satisfied is this: "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers;"

    Now satisfy or bring proof for this part - "I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."


    According to you, that particular verse refers to the tribe of Levi (I seriously doubt how you even came to this but I'll accept it for now) and it is to do with INHERITANCE. Now, tell me which person from the Levi tribe became a Prophet and God "put words in his mouth".

    You chose to gloss over the second part of the verse by giving me overwhelming information about the first. Now why do you not use your intellect and imagination to draw up a picture of a Levi being a prophet.
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    (Original post by Christianlady)
    Hello Squishy,

    The apostles of Jesus believed that Jesus is the prophet like Moses. This has been recorded way before Muhammad was born.

    John 1 -http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201&version=NIV
    (I boldened some.)
    Something being recorded "before it's time" doesn't necessarily make it true. Look at the field of science for example. Some people wrote the "EARTH IS FLAT" BEFORE the time when we actually found out later that it was spherical.

    Verses from the Bible
    Why do we not take this step one at a time, eh? Makes it easier for others who are interested in following this discussion.

    (1) What are the similarites between Jesus and Moses as prophecised in Deuteronomy 18:18 - "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."?

    (The Bold part is the one we are dealing with and I think it's best just to keep to one liners when discussing similarities)
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    Sorry for my late contribution here, I was busy with some stuff

    I'm going to stick to the topic we were suppose to discuss only. I'll leave the other things you mentioned for another time Inshaa'Allaah (Allaah's Willing.)

    Hope you don't mind

    In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).

    And this does NOT refers to Jesus (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for "MANY" reasons, which I have to say Christians very kindly overlook.
    (Original post by Christianlady)
    Could you please quote where in the Bible? Thanks.
    Yes of course, Inshaa'Allaah (Allaah's willing). This is what I was talking about:

    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."


    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (peace be upon him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

    The very first verse of the Qur'an which was revealed was "Iqra" which mean "Read!"
    Again, could you please quote that in the Bible?
    Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God’s revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran.

    According to Genesis 21:21, the wilder-ness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).

    Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba’ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.

    Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who “shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth.” Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke’dar. Who is Ke’dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke’dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of the prophet Muhammad.

    Please read the following which tells us about him (Peace Be Upon Him) being forced to migrate to Madina:

    Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of God (God’s help) coming from Te’man. (an Oasis North of Medina according to J. Hasting’s Dictionary of the Bible), and the holy one (coming) from Paran. That holy one who under persecution migrated from Paran (Mecca) to be received enthusiastically in Medina was none but prophet Muhammad.

    Indeed the incident of the migration of the prophet and his persecuted followers is vividly described in Isaiah 21:13-17. that section forerold as well about the battel of Badr in which the few ill-armed faithfull miraculously defeated the “mighty” men of Ke’dar, who sought to destroy Islam and intimidate their own folks who turned to Islam.

    It is intriguing that other Muslims claim Muhammad is mentioned in something other Muslims claim to be pornography.

    Regardless, could you please quote and explain why you believe that mentions specifically Muhammad? Thanks.
    We believe in Sulaiman (peace be upon him). We believe him to be a pure and nobel Prophet like Jesus, Moses and Muhammad (Peace and Blessing of Allaah be upon them all). A person is no longer a Muslim if he says such a thing against the messengers of Allaah (Peace and Blessing of Allaah be upon them all).

    This is what I was refering to:

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

    "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

    "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

    In the Hebrew language "im" is added for respect. Similarly "im" is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it "Muhammadim". In English translation they have translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is still present. It is a strange that they should translated a name. A name remains as is, and is not translated e.g You don't translate Benjamin as Son of the Right. No, you let it be it in english or hebrew. I believe many Christians never knew this because whilst translating, they even translated the name.

    Also:

    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

    "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

    "Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
    Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

    Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

    Could you please quote this and explain why you believe this? Thanks.
    4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

    "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".


    Muhammad specifically claimed . . .manner. [/B]

    Peace and God bless
    I would have discussed the last bit but since it has nothing to do with the Prophecy of the Final Messenger in the Bible. I will refrain as it is a whole another discussion in and of itself

    I ask Allaah to bring much benefit out of this thread for everyone.
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    please explain what you mean by this.
    Hello NuckingFut,

    Christians, including me, believe that Muhammad is one of the false prophets Jesus prophesied/warned about, accounted in Matthew 24, because of the following reasons:

    1. Muhammad claimed that the Scripture of the Jewish people (Jesus is Jewish by the way - not Arabic) and the Christian Scripture - which is about what Jesus did and said and his followers, was corrupted. This is in contrary to God's power in preserving His Word/historic interaction with people of the past.

    2. He claimed abrogation. However, Jesus specifically made it clear that Jesus came not to abolish the Law, but rather to fulfill it.

    Matthew 5 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+5&version=NIV
    (I boldened some.)

    "17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. "

    3. Muhammad claimed to be a prophet like the Hebrew prophets, but he is not a descendant of Jacob (Israel) son of Isaac, son of Abraham. Instead of leading the descendants of Israel, he was an Arab leader who killed or forced to pay a tax the Jewish people in Arabia who didn't accept his claimed of prophethood.

    4. Muhammad didn't read the Tanakh nor the Christian Scriptures of what Jesus did and said and of his followers, whereas the prophets of the children of Israel, including Jesus, learned how to read and write and studied the previous Scriptures... not declaring them false, but rather upholding the Law and the Prophets before them.

    5. Muhammad centered everything around the Arab world - emphasizing the Arabic language (instead of Hebrew - the language of the children of Israel), circling around the Kabaa and pilgrimaging to Mecca, whereas the children of Israel consider the Promised Land to not be Arabia, but rather the land they have lost and returned to and lost and returned to for centuries - the land of Israel where they migrated to under Moses' leadership, then lost in wars, then returned to during King Cyrus' time, then lost, then returned ... Muhammad does not understand the significance of the history of the children of Israel, but rather instead made his own Arabic kingdom.

    6. Muhammad did not follow the commands of Jesus concerning loving one's enemies. Sad to say, many "Christians" throughout the generations have not obeyed this important command by Jesus as well, hence all the bloodshed and torture and crimes "Christians" have inflicted on others - the Crusades and the Inquisition and the witchhunts being some examples.

    7. Muhammad denied that Jesus died on the cross, which shows he does not understand the prophecies in the Tanakh about the Messiah suffering and being rescued from death (being risen from the dead is being rescued from death) Because of this, he also denied God's power in rising Jesus from the dead. Interestingly in the Quran, there are verses concerning God rising other people from the dead.

    So, the above are reasons why Christians, including myself, believe that Muhammad is a false prophet, instead of a true prophet sent from God. Now, there are people who consider themselves Christians who other Christians believe follow false prophets. The Mormons are the prime example because they believe Joseph Smith is a true prophet from God, and follow the Book of Mormon. There are other false prophets, as well as other false Messiahs, too.

    Peace and God bless you
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    6. Muhammad did not follow the commands of Jesus concerning loving one's enemies.
    You clearly do not know your history by making such claims throughout your opinions (which is all they are and not supported by any religious text). I have found for you many Western theologists and researchers (and there are seriously countless more) discussing Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) treatment of his enemies...


    Researcher William Muir discussed the manner with which the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) treated his enemies; a manner that can only be described as full of mercy and pardon.

    Muir, while marking the event of Ramadhan 8 A.H. (January 630 A.D.), the period when the Prophet took over Makka, wrote: “The long and obstinate struggle against his pretensions maintained by the inhabitants of his native city might have induced a haughty tyrant to mark his indignation in indelible traces of fire and blood. But Mahomet (the Prophet Muhammad), excepting a few criminals, granted a universal pardon; and nobly casting into oblivion the memory of the past, with all its mockings, its affronts, and persecutions, he treated even the foremost of his opponents with a gracious and even friendly consideration.” [1]

    Similarly, Washington Irving [2] stated: “The whole conduct of Mahomet, on gaining possession of Mecca, showed that it was a religious more than a military triumph. His heart, too, softened toward his native place, now that it was in his power; (…), and his inclinations were all toward forgiveness.”[3]

    The Prophet was a merciful conqueror. He treated people with justice and rightfulness. He was neither an unfair invader nor a cruel tyrant.

    “The Makkans who had all along subjected him and his friends to the most barbarous tortures were given a general amnesty. What treatment a worldly conqueror would have meted out to them can easily be imagined. But the Holy Prophet’s forgiveness was unbounded. Thirteen long years of persecutions and conspiracies were absolutely forgiven and forgotten.”[4] He forgave those people who, for long, tortured and displaced him and his companions, and killed a considerable number of his people.

    John Bagot Glubb writes further on the topic: “Thus, Makka was taken without any significant bloodshed. (…) The Prophet captured the hearts of people with the kindness and forgiveness he showed on the day of his victory.”[5]

    Moreover, Emile Dermenghem, an orientalist, spoke of the merciful conqueror and leader at the times of his victory: “The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in his final conquest proved the generosity of his spirit; a spirit unique of its kind. He ordered his men to free the weak, the elderly, children and women. He warned them not to destroy houses, thieve merchants, cut fruitful trees, and not to raise their swords except in cases of dire necessity. We even saw him blaming some of his leading men and substantially fixing their mistakes telling them that one soul is more worthy than the greatest of triumphs.”[6]

    “In this manner came the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), a mercy for mankind. He liberated humanity from the chains of ignorance, superstition and corruption.” [7] The Prophet was as the Belgian thinker Henri Masse described him: “resembling absolute mercy.”[8] This absolute mercy, as pointed by Marcel Boisard, is clearly evident in the Prophet’s sayings (Hadiths) and in his life. His words and actions never stopped creating the image of his generosity and modesty in people’s minds. Furthermore, they kept bringing, to this day, his integrity, purity, kindness, and patience to peoples’ minds. Just like history presented him as a great leader with a heart full of grace, it also showed the Prophet as a democratic, vigorous, and leading statesman.[9]






    I would also appreciate if u respond to my earlier post which I'll mention here again:

    No apostle mentions that Jesus(PBUH) is in fact of Son of God (Jesus (pbuh) himself never claimed to be).




    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

    With your reference to the Moses (pbuh) being like Jesus(pbuh) you are mistaken:


    In fact, both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

    Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).



    In the gospel of John, chapter 16 verse 12-14 it says:

    "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

    The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
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    No apostle mentions that Jesus(PBUH) is in fact of Son of God (Jesus (pbuh) himself never claimed to be).
    Hello Gunit123,

    Peter is one of the apostles of Jesus, who Jesus chose who walked and talked with Jesus. Peter does say that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. Please note what Jesus said to Peter in reply.


    Matthew 16 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...16&version=NIV

    (I boldened some.)

    "13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

    14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

    15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

    16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. "


    Even though women were not chosen as apostles, it is important to note that women are important to Jesus and believe in his teachings as well as men. Martha's statement of faith is just as important, therefore as Peter's is.

    John 11 -http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+11&version=NIV
    (I boldened some.)

    "23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

    24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

    25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

    27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”


    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
    Isaiah 29 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Isaiah29.html
    (I boldened some.)

    "1 Ah, Ariel, Ariel, the city where David encamped! Add ye year to year, let the feasts come round!

    2 Then will I distress Ariel, and there shall be mourning and moaning; and she shall be unto Me as a hearth of G-d.

    3 And I will encamp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mound, and I will raise siege works against thee.

    4 And brought down thou shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust; and thy voice shall be as of a ghost out of the ground, and thy speech shall chirp out of the dust.

    5 But the multitude of thy foes shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones as chaff that passeth away; yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly--

    6 There shall be a visitation from HaShem of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with whirlwind and tempest, and the flame of a devouring fire.

    7 And the multitude of all the nations that war against Ariel, even all that war against her, and the bulwarks about her, and they that distress her, shall be as a dream, a vision of the night.


    8 And it shall be as when a hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth, but he awaketh, and his soul is empty; or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh, but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite--so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.

    9 Stupefy yourselves, and be stupid! Blind yourselves, and be blind! ye that are drunken, but not with wine, that stagger, but not with strong drink.

    10 For HaShem hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes; the prophets, and your heads, the seers, hath He covered.

    11 And the vision of all this is become unto you as the words of a writing that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying: 'Read this, I pray thee'; and he saith: 'I cannot, for it is sealed';

    12 and the writing is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: 'Read this, I pray thee'; and he saith: 'I am not learned.'


    13 And the L-rd said: Forasmuch as this people draw near, and with their mouth and with their lips do honour Me, but have removed their heart far from Me, and their fear of Me is a commandment of men learned by rote;

    14 Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder; and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the prudence of their prudent men shall be hid.


    15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from HaShem, and their works are in the dark, and they say: 'Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?'

    16 O your perversity! Shall the potter be esteemed as clay; that the thing made should say of him that made it: 'He made me not'; or the thing framed say of him that framed it: 'He hath no understanding?'

    17 Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?

    18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of a book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness.

    19 The humble also shall increase their joy in HaShem, and the neediest among men shall exult in the Holy One of Israel.


    20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner ceaseth, and all they that watch for iniquity are cut off;

    21 That make a man an offender by words, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just with a thing of nought.

    22 Therefore thus saith HaShem, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob: Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale;

    23 When he seeth his children, the work of My hands, in the midst of him, that they sanctify My name; yea, they shall sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall stand in awe of the G-d of Israel.

    24 They also that err in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmur shall learn instruction."


    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".
    It is very sad that some people think this prophecy means for a prophet to not know how to read.

    Isaiah 29 is not about a person of another country (whether Muhammad or Joseph Smith or another person), but is rather about Israel. Isaiah is saying to the people:

    1. that HaShem (God) has poured on the children of Israel "the spirit of deep sleep"... closing the eyes of the prophets and seers. (verse 10)

    2. the vision shall come to you as words of writing which is sealed, that people can't read for the seal or for not knowing how to read.(verse 11-12)

    3. Why? Because the people have remoed their heart from God and their fear of him is simply "commandment of men learned by rote." This isn't a good thing, by the way.

    Jesus, an Israelite, quoted the why of this prophecy, and showed that this prophecy was fulfilled in his time.

    Mark 7 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+7&version=NIV
    (I boldened some.)

    "5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”

    6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

    “‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    7 They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are merely human rules.’[Isaiah 29:13]

    8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” "




    With your reference to the Moses (pbuh) being like Jesus(pbuh) you are mistaken:
    Moses is not the prophet like Jesus. Jesus is the prophet like Moses, according to Jesus' apostles who walked and talked with him. (Please see John 1 and Acts 3)
    In fact, both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."
    This was to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 53.

    Isaiah 53 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Isaiah53.html
    (I boldened some.)

    "1 'Who would have believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of HaShem been revealed?

    2 For he shot up right forth as a sapling, and as a root out of a dry ground; he had no form nor comeliness, that we should look upon him, nor beauty that we should delight in him.

    3 He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

    4 Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of G-d, and afflicted.

    5 But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed.

    6 All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and HaShem hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all.


    7 He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; yea, he opened not his mouth.

    8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due.

    9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich his tomb; although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.'

    10 Yet it pleased HaShem to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his days, and that the purpose of HaShem might prosper by his hand:

    11 Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to the many, and their iniquities he did bear.

    12 Therefore will I divide him a portion among the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he bared his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

    Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).
    Jesus went deeper into the reasons for law, explaining that even lusting is a sin and is committing adultery in the heart.

    In the gospel of John, chapter 16 verse 12-14 it says:

    "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

    The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    It is very interesting to me how some Muslims attempt to push and squeeze Muhammad into both Jewish and Christian Scripture, which they consider both to have been corrupted. This is illogical. For example, do you believe all of John to be true?


    In order to understand what Jesus is promising to his disciples who walked and talked with him, we need to see all of John 14-16. Please read all of John 14-16 and note the following very important points (I boldened some words in the verses from the Bible.)

    1. John 14:6-7 (NIV)
    " Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


    Do you believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father (God) except through Jesus?

    2. John 14:16-18 (NIV)
    " And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[Some early manuscripts and is] in you."

    The Spirit of Truth cannot be seen or known by the world, which cannot accept him. Why? Because the Spirit of Truth is not a person!

    The Spirit of truth lives with you (the disciples of Jesus who Jesus is specifically talking to) and will be/is IN you. Muhammad is not in the apostles of Jesus. Muhammad can be seen and was known by people of the world. However, the Spirit of truth is Spirit... which cannot be seen but can be in a person.


    3. John 14:26 (NIV)
    "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

    Jesus is talking to his disciples - including his chosen apostles, and names the Advocate: the Holy Spirit. King David, by the way, called God's Spirit "the Holy Spirit" in the following Psalm:

    Psalm 51:13 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Psalms51.html
    (I boldened all.)

    "Cast me not away from Thy presence; and take not Thy holy spirit from me."


    Jesus promised his apostles, who he chose who walked and talked with him, the Holy Spirit = Advocate = Spirit of Truth to teach them and remind them of everything he said to them.

    4. John 15:26-27 (NIV)
    When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

    Again, who is Jesus talking to? His disciples - real live people who walked with him and talked with him and who he taught!!! Jesus specifically promises his disciples the Advocate = Spirit of truth = the Holy Spirit. He tells them that the Advocate=Spirit of truth=Holy Spirit will testify about Jesus, and that they (the apostles who he chose as well as all his disciples who walked and talked with him) must also testify, and he tells them why: "for you have been with me from the beginning"

    5. John 16:1-4 (NIV)
    “All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. 2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them. I did not tell you this from the beginning because I was with you,

    Please note the very important fact that Jesus is talking to his disciples here, and that all of the above did indeed happen to them.


    6.John 16:7-11
    (NIV)
    " But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: about sin, because people do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned."

    Jesus specifically explains that the Advocate will come to "you". Who are "you"? They are the apostles and disciples of Jesus who walked and talked with him. Muhammad did not come to the apostles and disciples of Jesus. No person is the Spirit of truth = Advocate = Holy Spirit, but rather God's Spirit.

    7. John 16:12-15
    (NIV)
    “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

    Here Jesus calls the Spirit of truth "the Spirit". In the Tanakh, the Spirit of God = the Spirit is mentioned many times. The Spirit of truth = Advocate = Holy Spirit = Spirit of God = Spirit of the Lord. Jesus specifically promises his disciples, including his apostles that they will be guided by God's Spirit.

    This is amazing and cool, and is something that Moses wished for!


    Numbers 11 -http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Numbers11.html
    (I boldened some)

    "29 And Moses said unto him: 'Art thou jealous for my sake? would that all HaShem'S people were prophets, that HaShem would put His spirit upon them!'"

    Joel prophesied about this! and Jesus' promise which the disciples of Jesus did indeed receive began fulfilling this prophesy of Joel!


    Joel 3 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ble/Joel3.html
    (I boldened some.)

    "1 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions;

    2 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.


    3 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

    4 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of HaShem come.

    5 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of HaShem shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those that escape, as HaShem hath said, and among the remnant those whom HaShem shall call."

    Now, when did this prophesy/promise of Jesus, accounted in John 14-16 officially be fulfilled? The answer is found in Acts 2. Please read Acts 2, and please notice that the disciples of Jesus did indeed receive the promise of Jesus for the Advocate = Spirit of truth = Holy Spirit = Spirit coming to them and guiding them!!!

    Peace and God bless you
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    Something being recorded "before it's time" doesn't necessarily make it true. Look at the field of science for example. Some people wrote the "EARTH IS FLAT" BEFORE the time when we actually found out later that it was spherical.
    Hello Squishy,

    For Christians, the record of Jesus being considered the prophet like Moses by his apostles, who were chosen by him and who walked and talked with him, is very important to us, at least to Christians who love to pray to God, asking for wisdom, and to study the Bible.




    Why do we not take this step one at a time, eh? Makes it easier for others who are interested in following this discussion.

    (1) What are the similarites between Jesus and Moses as prophecised in Deuteronomy 18:18 - "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."?

    (The Bold part is the one we are dealing with and I think it's best just to keep to one liners when discussing similarities)
    The similarities between Moses and Jesus are the following:

    1. Moses and Jesus are both prophets.
    2. Moses and Jesus are both "from among their brothers" - they are both descendants of Jacob (Israel), son of Isaac, son of Abraham... this is one of the most important similarities. Muhammad, by the way, is not a descendant of Jacob (Israel) son of Isaac and the descendants of Ishmael are not considered by the descendants of Jacob (Israel) son of Isaac to be "brothers."
    3. God personally spoke to both Moses and Jesus, instead of merely sending them an angel to convey messages to them.
    4. Both Moses and Jesus knew how to read.
    5. Jesus quoted from the Law of Moses and said he came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it.
    6. Jesus' apostles understood Jesus to being the prophet like Moses. (Jesus' apostles were all Jewish, by the way - descendants of Jacob (Israel) son of Isaac son of Abraham.)
    7. The prophet like Moses and the Messiah, Son of God, are both extremely important promises God gave to the children of Israel, and according to Christians (including me) Jesus is both the prophet like Moses (prophesied about in Deuteronomy 18) and the Messiah, the Son of God (prophesied about in 2 Samuel 7, 1 Chronicles 17, Psalm 2, and Psalm 89)

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    Hello Gunit123,

    Peter is one of the apostles of Jesus, who Jesus chose who walked and talked with Jesus. Peter does say that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. Please note what Jesus said to Peter in reply.


    Matthew 16 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...16&version=NIV

    (I boldened some.)

    "13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

    14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

    15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

    16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. "

    Is this the same Peter who said that Jesus was the servant of God. Peter said: “God raised up his servant...” (Acts 3:26). The title servant refers to Jesus. This is clear from a previous passage where Peter declared: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).

    Peter must have known that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never spoke of a Triune God. They always spoke of God as the only God. Here, as in Matthew 12:18, Jesus is the servant of God. Matthew tells us that Jesus was the same servant of God spoken of in Isaiah 42:1. So, according to Matthew and Peter, Jesus is not God, but God’s servant. The Old Testament repeatedly says that God is alone (e.g. Isaiah 45:5).

    We are probably going to agree on 1 point here and that we both believe that God is 1 - am i right?

    This commandment was emphasized by Jesus (pbuh) , when a teacher of the Law of Moses asked him: “‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’ ‘The most important one,’ answered Jesus, ‘is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” (Mark 12:28-30).

    Notice that Jesus was quoting the first commandment from the book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5. Jesus confirmed not only that this commandment is still valid, but also that it is the most important of all the commandments. If Jesus thought that he himself is God, why did not he say so? Instead, he stressed that God is one. The man who questioned Jesus understood this, and what the man says next makes it clear that God is not Jesus, for he said to Jesus: “‘Well said, teacher,’ the man replied. ‘You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.’” (Mark 12:32).

    Now if Jesus was God, he would have told the man so. Instead, he let the man refer to God as someone other than Jesus, and he even saw that the man had spoken wisely: “When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the kingdom of God.’” (Mark 12:34). If Jesus knew that God is a trinity, why did not he say so? Why did not he say that God is one in three, or three in one? Instead, he declared that God is one. True imitators of Jesus will imitate him also in this declaration of God’s oneness. They will not add the word three where Jesus never said it.

    Does salvation depend on this commandment? Yes, says the Bible! Jesus made this clear when another man approached Jesus to learn from him (see Mark 10:17-29). The man fell on his knees and said to Jesus: “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.” (Mark 10:17-18).
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    Sorry for my late contribution here, I was busy with some stuff

    I'm going to stick to the topic we were suppose to discuss only. I'll leave the other things you mentioned for another time Inshaa'Allaah (Allaah's Willing.)

    Hope you don't mind
    Hello At Peace,

    It's ok. I understand about being busy!

    In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).

    And this does NOT refers to Jesus (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for "MANY" reasons, which I have to say Christians very kindly overlook.
    Obviously, this is one area in which Christians and Muslims (who came after Christians and who follow the teachings of Muhammad) disagree. Hence, Islam is not Christianity authenticated at all.

    Christians who pray and ask God for wisdom, and study the Bible, understand and believe that the apostles of Jesus, who walked and talked with Jesus, did believe that Jesus is the prophet like Moses (John 1:43-50, Acts 3:19-26)

    Ironically and of great interest to me as well, many Jewish people who believe in God and in the Tanakh accept neither Jesus nor Muhammad as being the prophet like Moses.

    Yes of course, Inshaa'Allaah (Allaah's willing). This is what I was talking about:

    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."


    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (peace be upon him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

    The very first verse of the Qur'an which was revealed was "Iqra" which mean "Read!"
    First of all, I think it's very sad that Muhammad didn't know how to read. I don't mean that as an insult. For me, education and literacy (which is a vital component of education) is extremely important, so it makes me sad when people don't know how to read, regardless of who they are. It makes me wish they had learned and benefited from the joys of reading, writing, and education. Reading and writing and education are gifts from God!!!

    Secondly, it is possible that if he had learned how to read and read the Tanakh and/or Bible, that maybe he would have accepted the Truth. However, simply reading does not automatically means that one understands... it is only through God teaching one can one understand, as Jesus says.

    John 6 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+6&version=NIV
    (I boldened some.)

    "43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[Isaiah 54:13] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. "

    Third, Isaiah is a descendant of Jacob (Israel) son of Isaac son of Abraham. In Isaiah's prophecies, most relate directly to his people, the people of Israel. Jesus, who quoted Isaiah extensively, quoted the why to the prophesy of Isaiah accounted in Isaiah 29 to the Jewish leaders of his (Jesus') time.

    Mark 7 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+7&version=NIV
    (I boldened some.)

    "5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”

    6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

    “‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    7 They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are merely human rules.’[Isaiah 29:13]

    8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”


    When studying the Tanakh and the Bible, it is vital to read in context. The context of Isaiah 29 is important in order to understand the prophesy.

    Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God’s revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran.

    Deuteronomy 33
    According to Genesis 21:21, the wilder-ness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).

    Deuteronomy 33 is a very important passage concerning the blessings of the 12 sons of Jacob (Israel.) Even though it is interesting that some people like to take out 2 little verses and impose their beliefs into them, I hope one would study carefully all of the passage, and notice that God was blessing the children of Israel. Is Muhammad a child of Israel? No. However, were children of Israel living in Arabia in the time of Muhammad? Yes. Sadly, many were killed by Muhammad for not accepting Muhammad's claims. Sadly, other descendants of the 12 sons of Israel have been killed by other people, including "Christians" around the world.

    Please study all of Deuteronomy 33? Thanks.

    Deuteronomy 33 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Deuter33.html
    (I boldened some.)

    1 And this is the blessing wherewith Moses the man of G-d blessed the children of Israel before his death.

    2 And he said: HaShem came from Sinai, and rose from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount Paran, and He came from the myriads holy, at His right hand was a fiery law unto them.

    3 Yea, He loveth the peoples, all His holy ones--they are in Thy hand; and they sit down at Thy feet, receiving of Thy words.

    4 Moses commanded us a law, an inheritance of the congregation of Jacob.


    5 And there was a king in Jeshurun, when the heads of the people were gathered, all the tribes of Israel together.

    6 Let Reuben live, and not die in that his men become few.

    7 And this for Judah, and he said: Hear, HaShem, the voice of Judah, and bring him in unto his people; his hands shall contend for him, and Thou shalt be a help against his adversaries.

    8 And of Levi he said: Thy Thummim and Thy Urim be with Thy holy one, whom Thou didst prove at Massah, with whom Thou didst strive at the waters of Meribah;

    9 Who said of his father, and of his mother: 'I have not seen him'; neither did he acknowledge his brethren, nor knew he his own children; for they have observed Thy word, and keep Thy covenant.

    10 They shall teach Jacob Thine ordinances, and Israel Thy law; they shall put incense before Thee, and whole burnt-offering upon Thine altar.


    11 Bless, HaShem, his substance, and accept the work of his hands; smite through the loins of them that rise up against him, and of them that hate him, that they rise not again.

    12 Of Benjamin he said: The beloved of HaShem shall dwell in safety by Him; He covereth him all the day, and He dwelleth between his shoulders.

    13 And of Joseph he said: Blessed of HaShem be his land; for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,

    14 And for the precious things of the fruits of the sun, and for the precious things of the yield of the moons,

    15 And for the tops of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the everlasting hills,

    16 And for the precious things of the earth and the fulness thereof, and the good will of Him that dwelt in the bush; let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the crown of the head of him that is prince among his brethren.

    17 His firstling bullock, majesty is his; and his horns are the horns of the wild-ox; with them he shall gore the peoples all of them, even the ends of the earth; and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

    18 And of Zebulun he said: Rejoice, Zebulun, in thy going out, and, Issachar, in thy tents.

    19 They shall call peoples unto the mountain; there shall they offer sacrifices of righteousness; for they shall suck the abundance of the seas, and the hidden treasures of the sand.

    20 And of Gad he said: Blessed be He that enlargeth Gad; he dwelleth as a lioness, and teareth the arm, yea, the crown of the head.

    21 And he chose a first part for himself, for there a portion of a ruler was reserved; and there came the heads of the people, he executed the righteousness of HaShem, and His ordinances with Israel.

    22 And of Dan he said: Dan is a lion's whelp, that leapeth forth from Bashan.

    23 And of Naphtali he said: O Naphtali, satisfied with favour, and full with the blessing of HaShem: possess thou the sea and the south.

    24 And of Asher he said: Blessed be Asher above sons; let him be the favoured of his brethren, and let him dip his foot in oil.

    25 Iron and brass shall be thy bars; and as thy days, so shall thy strength be.

    26 There is none like unto G-d, O Jeshurun, who rideth upon the heaven as thy help, and in His excellency on the skies.

    27 The eternal G-d is a dwelling-place, and underneath are the everlasting arms; and He thrust out the enemy from before thee, and said: 'Destroy.'

    28 And Israel dwelleth in safety, the fountain of Jacob alone, in a land of corn and wine; yea, his heavens drop down dew.

    29 Happy art thou, O Israel, who is like unto thee? a people saved by HaShem, the shield of thy help, and that is the sword of thy excellency! And thine enemies shall dwindle away before thee; and thou shalt tread upon their high places."


    Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba’ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.
    They continue to Zion. Where is Zion?


    Psalm 84 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Psalms84.html
    (I boldened some.)

    "5 Happy are they that dwell in Thy house, they are ever praising Thee. Selah

    6 Happy is the man whose strength is in Thee; in whose heart are the highways.

    7 Passing through the valley of Baca they make it a place of springs; yea, the early rain clotheth it with blessings.

    8 They go from strength to strength, every one of them appeareth before G-d in Zion.


    9 O HaShem G-d of hosts, hear my prayer; give ear, O G-d of Jacob. Selah"



    Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who “shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth.” Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke’dar. Who is Ke’dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke’dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of the prophet Muhammad.
    Isaiah 42 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Isaiah42.html
    (I boldened some.)

    "1 Behold My servant, whom I uphold; Mine elect, in whom My soul delighteth; I have put My spirit upon him, he shall make the right to go forth to the nations.

    2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

    3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the dimly burning wick shall he not quench; he shall make the right to go forth according to the truth.

    4 He shall not fail nor be crushed, till he have set the right in the earth; and the isles shall wait for his teaching.

    5 Thus saith G-d HaShem, He that created the heavens, and stretched them forth, He that spread forth the earth and that which cometh out of it, He that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

    6 I HaShem have called thee in righteousness, and have taken hold of thy hand, and kept thee, and set thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the nations;

    7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison-house.


    8 I am HaShem, that is My name; and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images.

    9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them.

    10 Sing unto HaShem a new song, and His praise from the end of the earth; ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein, the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.

    11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit; let the inhabitants of Sela exult, let them shout from the top of the mountains.

    12 Let them give glory unto HaShem, and declare His praise in the islands.

    13 HaShem will go forth as a mighty man, He will stir up jealousy like a man of war; He will cry, yea, He will shout aloud, He will prove Himself mighty against His enemies."

    Christians believe that Jesus fulfills and will fulfill the prophesies accounted in Isaiah 42 when he comes back.

    By the way, do you believe that God put his Spirit on Muhammad (Isaiah 42:1)?

    Please read the following which tells us about him (Peace Be Upon Him) being forced to migrate to Madina:

    Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of God (God’s help) coming from Te’man. (an Oasis North of Medina according to J. Hasting’s Dictionary of the Bible), and the holy one (coming) from Paran. That holy one who under persecution migrated from Paran (Mecca) to be received enthusiastically in Medina was none but prophet Muhammad.
    Please read all of the prophesy of Habakkuk. All of Habakkuk goes together, and does not at all mention Muhammad, though it is true that Muhammad killed many Jewish people in Arabia, and later on, the Jewish people who remained and yet didn't accept his claims were expelled by his followers from Arabia, as well as the Christians.

    Indeed the incident of the migration of the prophet and his persecuted followers is vividly described in Isaiah 21:13-17. that section forerold as well about the battel of Badr in which the few ill-armed faithfull miraculously defeated the “mighty” men of Ke’dar, who sought to destroy Islam and intimidate their own folks who turned to Islam.
    Isaiah 21:13-17 does not at all mean that Muhammad is a true prophet, but rather that the "mighty men of the children of Kedar, shall be diminished; for HaShem, the G-d of Israel, hath spoken it.'" (Isaiah 21:17 -http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Isaiah21.html)

    We believe in Sulaiman (peace be upon him). We believe him to be a pure and nobel Prophet like Jesus, Moses and Muhammad (Peace and Blessing of Allaah be upon them all). A person is no longer a Muslim if he says such a thing against the messengers of Allaah (Peace and Blessing of Allaah be upon them all).

    This is what I was refering to:

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

    "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

    "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

    In the Hebrew language "im" is added for respect. Similarly "im" is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it "Muhammadim". In English translation they have translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is still present. It is a strange that they should translated a name. A name remains as is, and is not translated e.g You don't translate Benjamin as Son of the Right. No, you let it be it in english or hebrew. I believe many Christians never knew this because whilst translating, they even translated the name.
    Song of Solomon is a love song. "Altogether lovely" is a way to describe a lover. It does not specifically mean a man who lived a long time later.

    Also:

    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

    "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

    "Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
    Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
    Do you believe that all of the account of John is true? It is very important for one to read all of John, and in specification to this promise Jesus made directly to and for his disciples who walked and talked with him, to understand that John 14-16 go all together.

    I'm just going to copy and paste from my previous post because I don't have much time right now.

    "
    1. John 14:6-7 (NIV)
    " Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Do you believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father (God) except through Jesus?

    2. John 14:16-18 (NIV)
    " And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[Some early manuscripts and is] in you."

    The Spirit of Truth cannot be seen or known by the world, which cannot accept him. Why? Because the Spirit of Truth is not a person!

    The Spirit of truth lives with you (the disciples of Jesus who Jesus is specifically talking to) and will be/is IN you. Muhammad is not in the apostles of Jesus. Muhammad can be seen and was known by people of the world. However, the Spirit of truth is Spirit... which cannot be seen but can be in a person.


    3. John 14:26 (NIV)
    "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

    Jesus is talking to his disciples - including his chosen apostles, and names the Advocate: the Holy Spirit. King David, by the way, called God's Spirit "the Holy Spirit" in the following Psalm:

    Psalm 51:13 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Psalms51.html
    (I boldened all.)

    "Cast me not away from Thy presence; and take not Thy holy spirit from me."

    Jesus promised his apostles, who he chose who walked and talked with him, the Holy Spirit = Advocate = Spirit of Truth to teach them and remind them of everything he said to them.

    4. John 15:26-27 (NIV)
    “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

    Again, who is Jesus talking to? His disciples - real live people who walked with him and talked with him and who he taught!!! Jesus specifically promises his disciples the Advocate = Spirit of truth = the Holy Spirit. He tells them that the Advocate=Spirit of truth=Holy Spirit will testify about Jesus, and that they (the apostles who he chose as well as all his disciples who walked and talked with him) must also testify, and he tells them why: "for you have been with me from the beginning"

    5. John 16:1-4 (NIV)
    “All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. 2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them. I did not tell you this from the beginning because I was with you,

    Please note the very important fact that Jesus is talking to his disciples here, and that all of the above did indeed happen to them.


    6.John 16:7-11 (NIV)
    " But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: about sin, because people do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned."

    Jesus specifically explains that the Advocate will come to "you". Who are "you"? They are the apostles and disciples of Jesus who walked and talked with him. Muhammad did not come to the apostles and disciples of Jesus. No person is the Spirit of truth = Advocate = Holy Spirit, but rather God's Spirit.

    7. John 16:12-15 (NIV)
    “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

    Here Jesus calls the Spirit of truth "the Spirit". In the Tanakh, the Spirit of God = the Spirit is mentioned many times. The Spirit of truth = Advocate = Holy Spirit = Spirit of God = Spirit of the Lord. Jesus specifically promises his disciples, including his apostles that they will be guided by God's Spirit.

    This is amazing and cool, and is something that Moses wished for!

    Numbers 11 -http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Numbers11.html
    (I boldened some)

    "29 And Moses said unto him: 'Art thou jealous for my sake? would that all HaShem'S people were prophets, that HaShem would put His spirit upon them!'"

    Joel prophesied about this! and Jesus' promise which the disciples of Jesus did indeed receive began fulfilling this prophesy of Joel!


    Joel 3 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ble/Joel3.html
    (I boldened some.)

    "1 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions;

    2 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out My spirit.

    3 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

    4 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of HaShem come.

    5 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of HaShem shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those that escape, as HaShem hath said, and among the remnant those whom HaShem shall call."

    Now, when did this prophesy/promise of Jesus, accounted in John 14-16 officially be fulfilled? The answer is found in Acts 2. Please read Acts 2, and please notice that the disciples of Jesus did indeed receive the promise of Jesus for the Advocate = Spirit of truth = Holy Spirit = Spirit coming to them and guiding them!!! "

    Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc.
    The Spirit of God = the Comforter = Advocate = Spirit of truth = Holy Spirit has been since Genesis 1:2. However, Jesus specifically promised them guidance, and this was officially fulfilled accounted in Acts 3. That's when his apostles who he chose who walked and talked with him, began to publicly tell people about Jesus. Before, they were scared. However, after they received what Jesus promised, they boldly testified like Jesus told them to do in John 16.

    Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
    Muhammad or any other person, male or female, is not the Spirit of truth = Comforter = Advocate = Holy Spirit = the Spirit. Why? Because the Spirit is spirit, not a human.
    Muhammad is seen, so he does not qualify (John 14:17)
    Muhammad was known by people (since he is a person) so he does not qualify (John 14:17)
    Muhammad did not come to the disciples of Jesus who walked and talked with Jesus, so he does not qualify (John 14:17)
    Muhammad does not live in other human beings (John 14:17)



    4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

    "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

    Please read all of John 14-16, and please state if you believe all to be true? Thanks.


    I would have discussed the last bit but since it has nothing to do with the Prophecy of the Final Messenger in the Bible. I will refrain as it is a whole another discussion in and of itself

    I ask Allaah to bring much benefit out of this thread for everyone.
    Thank you for explaining. However, I hope you understand the reasons I and other Christians do not accept the claims of Muhammad.

    Yes I pray as well that God teaches us through His Word!

    As King David says in the following Psalm (which is one of my favorites!)

    Psalm 25 - http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Psalms25.html
    (I boldened some.)

    "1 A Psalm of David. Unto Thee, O HaShem, do I lift up my soul.

    2 O my G-d, in Thee have I trusted, let me not be ashamed; let not mine enemies triumph over me.

    3 Yea, none that wait for Thee shall be ashamed; they shall be ashamed that deal treacherously without cause.

    4 Show me Thy ways, O HaShem; teach me Thy paths.

    5 Guide me in Thy truth, and teach me; for Thou art the G-d of my salvation; for Thee do I wait all the day.

    6 Remember, O HaShem, Thy compassions and Thy mercies; for they have been from of old.

    7 Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions; according to Thy mercy remember Thou me, for Thy goodness' sake, O HaShem.

    8 Good and upright is HaShem; therefore doth He instruct sinners in the way.

    9 He guideth The humble in justice; and He teacheth the humble His way.


    10 All the paths of HaShem are mercy and truth unto such as keep His covenant and His testimonies.

    11 For Thy name's sake, O HaShem, pardon mine iniquity, for it is great.

    12 What man is he that feareth HaShem? him will He instruct in the way that He should choose.


    13 His soul shall abide in prosperity; and his seed shall inherit the land.

    14 The counsel of HaShem is with them that fear Him; and His covenant, to make them know it.

    15 Mine eyes are ever toward HaShem; for He will bring forth my feet out of the net.

    16 Turn Thee unto me, and be gracious unto me; for I am solitary and afflicted.

    17 The troubles of my heart are enlarged; O bring Thou me out of my distresses.

    18 See mine affliction and my travail; and forgive all my sins.

    19 Consider how many are mine enemies, and the cruel hatred wherewith they hate me.

    20 O keep my soul, and deliver me; let me not be ashamed, for I have taken refuge in Thee.

    21 Let integrity and uprightness preserve me, because I wait for Thee.

    22 Redeem Israel, O G-d, out of all his troubles."

    Peace and God bless you
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    (Original post by gunit123)
    Is this the same Peter who said that Jesus was the servant of God. Peter said: “God raised up his servant...” (Acts 3:26). The title servant refers to Jesus. This is clear from a previous passage where Peter declared: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).
    Hello Gunit123,

    Yep

    Peter must have known that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never spoke of a Triune God. They always spoke of God as the only God. Here, as in Matthew 12:18, Jesus is the servant of God. Matthew tells us that Jesus was the same servant of God spoken of in Isaiah 42:1. So, according to Matthew and Peter, Jesus is not God, but God’s servant. The Old Testament repeatedly says that God is alone (e.g. Isaiah 45:5).
    In Acts, neither Peter nor Paul specifically taught that God is Triune. However, it is in the Messianic prophesies (2 Samuel 7, 1 Chronicles 17, Psalm 2, and Psalm 89) that the Messiah will be called the son of God, and that God will call him His son. One thing that I love about Jesus' teachings is that Jesus calls God his "Father" which does fulfill the Messianic prophecies of 2 Samuel 7, 1 Chronicles 17, Psalm 89) and as a Christian, it is awesome that God is my Heavenly (Spiritual) Father too, through Jesus!
    We are probably going to agree on 1 point here and that we both believe that God is 1 - am i right?
    Yes God is One. However, the doctrine of the Triune God does not mean that God = 3, but rather that God = 3 in 1. That's very important to note.

    This commandment was emphasized by Jesus (pbuh) , when a teacher of the Law of Moses asked him: “‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’ ‘The most important one,’ answered Jesus, ‘is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” (Mark 12:28-30).

    Notice that Jesus was quoting the first commandment from the book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5. Jesus confirmed not only that this commandment is still valid, but also that it is the most important of all the commandments.
    The above is an extremely good point, and it is important to note the following from your point above.

    1. Jesus, a child of Israel, knew the Law of Moses.
    2. Jesus, a child of Israel, did not say that the Law of Moses was corrupted.
    3. Jesus, a child of Israel, claimed to fulfill the Law of Moses, not abolish it or abrogate it.

    If Jesus thought that he himself is God, why did not he say so? Instead, he stressed that God is one. The man who questioned Jesus understood this, and what the man says next makes it clear that God is not Jesus, for he said to Jesus: “‘Well said, teacher,’ the man replied. ‘You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.’” (Mark 12:32).
    Please read John 14. (I am sorry I have already taken up a lot of time praying, studying, and writing on the forum, and I have to get ready to go really soon.)

    Now if Jesus was God, he would have told the man so. Instead, he let the man refer to God as someone other than Jesus, and he even saw that the man had spoken wisely: “When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the kingdom of God.’” (Mark 12:34). If Jesus knew that God is a trinity, why did not he say so? Why did not he say that God is one in three, or three in one? Instead, he declared that God is one. True imitators of Jesus will imitate him also in this declaration of God’s oneness. They will not add the word three where Jesus never said it.
    Those are all good points, which is why even though I believe God is Triune, I do not believe that being a Christian's foundation is that belief. Rather, the foundation of Christian belief includes the miraculous birth of Jesus, Jesus being the prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18, John 1 and Acts 3), Jesus being the Messiah, the Son of God (2 Samuel 7, 1 Chronicles 17, Psalm 2, Psalm 89, Matthew 16, John 11 and John 20) the teachings of Jesus accounted in the four gospels, the death of Jesus on the cross which fulfills prophesy accounted in Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 as well as other prophesies in the Tanakh, the teachings of the apostles, mainly accounted in Acts, and most especially - the guidance of the Holy Spirit!!!

    Does salvation depend on this commandment? Yes, says the Bible! Jesus made this clear when another man approached Jesus to learn from him (see Mark 10:17-29). The man fell on his knees and said to Jesus: “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.” (Mark 10:17-18).
    Again, Jesus did not say that the Scriptures were corrupted nor that he came to abolish or abrogate them, but rather to fulfill them.

    I have to go now.

    Peace and God bless you

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