[Demothesis]

I find increasingly in both the online community and the free media (dare we call it that) people rush to the defense of the lower classes giving them a slither of importance which rightfully they have not earnt.
There was a time where I thought like most of you will. I was as simple and plain thinking as the average person brain washed into believing there was a poverty trap even in MEDCS such as the Uk (which this will be focused on). I digress.

It has become more and more clear that the lower class of society in a large majority of cases are there not due to any trap or pitfall but merely due to there inadequacies. Having travelled around I have noted differences not only mentally but physically between the poor and rich which I will add works in favor of the poor. Over time meets with the lower class have shown time and time again they are less able to "think".

"Have a particular opinion, belief, or idea about someone or something: "she thought that nothing would be the same again"."
A majority of their opinions are merely recycled from another leading to a failure to be able to counteract and debate any topic if they are challenged by one of any laughable level of intellect. In itself this means little, perhaps they have been brainwashed by the media or just the common man as much of society is now days. What I have mentioned just above is merely verbalised thought- the most obvious way of judging someones cognitive capacity.

Watching the lower class in most cases try to understand simple matters is akin to watching a salmon fight a bear - wild,crazy and hopeless. Shows such as Jamies dream school brought this to the highlight of the public in ways not seen before where the incapable were made a laughing stock for the public to feast upon. The basic facts on Class and IQ are straightforward and have been known for about 100 years: higher Social Classes have significantly higher average IQ than lower Social Classes. An intelligence test designed purely to remove bias (if you do not believe in IQ tests this point is mute).

Earlier I mentioned physical matters, it is noticeable that the poorer communities are both shorter and heavier on average compared to the more middle and upper class communities in the UK. It is also very plausible that their lack of intellect is amplified by such nutrition. If this is the case then this argument is mute and society should work upon food improvement.

So what is the point in all this: I will now endeavour to explain what this means. No matter what society does at hindrance to itself to help the lower class rise out of it is futile.. it simply is not cost efficient. You can't train a monkey to write shakespeare and as such you can not train less intelligent humans to achieve what more intelligent humans do on the regular. Hence all of these "help the lower class" policies and theories are cute but a waste of our time.

Some brushing points I shall add: I have met intelligent members of the lower class, a large minority but brilliant people. These people have all managed to escpae the non existant "trap". I also have no concern with the work ethic of the lower class which in many cases is admirable.

Anyway I tire so will finish this at another time but the fundamentals are here, I hope you understand them.

I will reply to the more debate savvy of yourselves in turn.


Cliffs:

The average lower class individual does not need/deserve your defense
The average lower class individual is less intelligent
Any policys made to aid them are in a majority of cases a waste of time

[Tommyjw]

Well i guess its been a while since ive seen such nonsensical drivvle on TSR, was about time i suppose.

There isnt even an attempt at a marginally intelligent point being made in any of that. Rather pointless ramblings, broad and irrelevant stereotypical views and idiotic thoughts about society linked together to .. no doubt your only actually intention with this.. insult working class people and views about them.

[Clip]

Is this why in the fairytales, the beautiful peasant girls always turn out to have been incognito princesses all along?

[zedeneye1]

they werent born with money >> couldnt afford education >> couldnt "think" >> couldnt get rich like you and educate their children.....and thats wat the "trap" is.

The kind of jobs they have to do means they simply cant afford to think.

time to think is a privilege only the wealthy can afford to have.

And what exactly is ur point anyways? do u want to exterminate them simply cause you think they are poor, dumb, idiots who cant do anything?

[erniiee]

You need a slap.

[zedeneye1]

(Original post by erniiee)
You need a slap.

make that two..

[roh]

Cheers for that.

I'll make sure to point it out to my 'lower' (working presumably) class medic housemate how superior I am to him due to my middle class upbringing. He's been getting all delusional thinking he's going to be a doctor and everything.

[sugar-n-spice]

*puts on her little pink spectacles and typing gloves*

Statistics show that social mobility is inconsistent across the developed world and this indicates that it is environment factors rather than immutable traits holding the most disadvantaged back. Most humans whether it be upper middle class or underclass and yes I do mean underclass, are unable to really see beyond what their environment demands of them so it is second nature for child born to well educated parents to value educational success, in contrast to those from more difficult backgrounds who more so often value sporting prowess and living by your wits.

Moreoever, it is disingenuous not to make the distinction between a poor child in whom middle class values were instilled and a poor child who recieved no support at home. How many of the upwardly mobile individuals born to working class families were encouraged by their parents from a young age and how many of those who remained confined to their socio-economic status of birth were given a stiff drink and sent down the mines from 13 if yer get wat im sayin?

[nickss]

"
Watching the lower class in most cases try to understand simple matters is akin to watching a salmon fight a bear"

I assume your from an extremely elitist background, if not massively ignorant.

I'm not "lower class", so I'm not going to become a martyr for their cause, but what you have just written is (I would believe) highly insulting to those that are..

[Dorito]

[nickss]

(Original post by Dorito)

Lets hope so..

[Venomilys]

(Original post by zedeneye1)
make that two..

Three!

[George_]

To be fair, if a lot of the lower class people were so desperate to make something of themselves, they'd find a way no matter what. There are plenty of example of people from very poor backgrounds who have determination, enough so to make something of themselves.

A lot of the time, yes, it can be a lack of opportunities, but you need to MAKE opportunities. You can't expect to do nothing, not even try, and then use excuses like "society failed me".

EDIT: Getting a lot of bad rep for this. It's just an opinion :/

[A Mysterious Lord]

Otkem?

[Demothesis]

(Original post by Tommyjw)
Well i guess its been a while since ive seen such nonsensical drivvle on TSR, was about time i suppose.

There isnt even an attempt at a marginally intelligent point being made in any of that. Rather pointless ramblings, broad and irrelevant stereotypical views and idiotic thoughts about society linked together to .. no doubt your only actually intention with this.. insult working class people and views about them.

Incorrect merely stating facts which will potentially mean less money is wasted especially in this economic climate.

(Original post by zedeneye1)
they werent born with money >> couldnt afford education >> couldnt "think" >> couldnt get rich like you and educate their children.....and thats wat the "trap" is.

The kind of jobs they have to do means they simply cant afford to think.

time to think is a privilege only the wealthy can afford to have.

And what exactly is ur point anyways? do u want to exterminate them simply cause you think they are poor, dumb, idiots who cant do anything?

Sir while you present such basic points given to you by those before you and presented in such a simple manner I shall reply out of courtesy.

IQ is supposed to in theory work irrelevant of ones education and hence if both the lower/middle/upper class were equal then these results would also be the same or at least have some form of similarity. Sadly this is not the case

On extermination... of course not and no where in this article did I suggest such foul play. I merely believe less money should be wasted on pointless schemes to aid them out of a trap they are unable to climb out of without neurogenetic enhancement.

(Original post by erniiee)
You need a slap.

I should of noted the lower class commit more crime. I left this out due to the risk that this is situational and hence is not sufficient evidence. You do not aid your case.

(Original post by roh)
Cheers for that.

I'll make sure to point it out to my 'lower' (working presumably) class medic housemate how superior I am to him due to my middle class upbringing. He's been getting all delusional thinking he's going to be a doctor and everything.

My point is proven good sir/lady. Your friend is proof they can rise. Tell me did any of the schemes we spend millions on help him do this? Those who are intelligent will rise, there is no ceiling to stop them.

[DontJudge]

(Original post by sugar-n-spice)
*puts on her little pink spectacles*

Statistics show that social mobility is inconsistent across the developed world and this indicates that it is environment factors rather than genetic holding the most disadvantaged back. Most humans whether it be upper middle class or underclass and yes I do mean underclass, are unable to really see beyond what their environment demands of them so it is second nature for child born to well educated parents to value educational success, in contrast to those from more difficult backgrounds who more frequently value sporting prowess and living by your wits.

Masha'allah sister, you make me proud.

Basically OP, you're talking about the working class in a inhumane manner. We are humans, and we want better standards of living, because we have feelings, which you seem not to understand.

If you say working class people are not intelligent. Define to me what is intelligence? Memorizing material?

[Miracle Day]

The way I see it, these days everyone is given a chance at education and with loans and such everyone has equal opportunity to break into a higher class. If you're a chav living on a street corner, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Too many people are quick to jump on the "I don't know how to revise" wagon, nor did I, nor did most of TSR but we learned.

And I come from a relatively lower class family, and my parents have contributed next to nothing to my education. If I never revised, they wouldn't notice. Only one parent bothers to go to parents evening. I never get "What did you do at school today?". Everything I did in Education is my own doing, and I don't see why any of these other people can't do the same.

[Willheath]

You make it sound like you are Jane Goodall observing the apes.

[jimcatinnes]

Isn't it moot point? Not mute?

[Tommyjw]

(Original post by Demothesis)
Incorrect merely stating facts which will potentially mean less money is wasted especially in this economic climate.

I think you need to learn what the actual definition of a fact is, because you presented none.