Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?Some 13 year olds pay tax. Should we give them the vote?(Original post by multiplexing-gamer)
If you have to pay tax at 16, then you should have a say on who runs the country. Afterall, they're spending your money. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?Umm.. the fact is that democracy is inherantly flawed.(Original post by multiplexing-gamer)
How has 'sending cowards to Afghanistan' have any relevence to the voting age? Where is the evidence for them shooting innocent people in Afghan? It's a very dangerous and scary place, you can't see the taliban. They dont have Uniform and merge with community - guerilla tactics. Just like in Vietnam, age isn't going to help you when you have camouflaged terroists in a sea of innocent people.
Don't worry, so I communism. So is every other gonvernment and their ways. If 16 y/o's vote they aren't going to be heard. The only difference is that more votes will go to stupid parties, putting certain constituencies in trouble.
"It's a very dangerous and scary place," Propaganda much?
"Where is the evidence for them shooting innocent people in Afghan?" Heard of the American guy with a 'brain injury'? Seen the leaked videos of choppers killing kids and civilians? Ever heard of the people who quit the army because their "training" was for them to be given a gun and 'do whatever they want' in a village.
Have fun when the same is done to you and your community. Honestly, have fun. Lets see if the army can protect us in our own country? The Taliban wasn't global anyway, that's Al-Qaeda. In either case, if a terrorist wants to **** with the uk they can still do it.. because the uk is spending all the "defence" money on a bloody offence. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?considering the fact that you're still in high school, of course you think this way. You won't when you're older.(Original post by ellen_l)
In an argument against this, many people often say, "they can't buy cigarettes, drive, etc., etc." But I think this is a valuable thing! It gives youngsters a "say" in our society, and will maybe stop them rebelling so much... And those who are going to say, "they're not mature enough," I think there should be a questionnaire for under 18s to see if they "deserve" their vote, or at least won't throw it away. The results should all be given on the same day, to stop people telling each other how to get the vote.
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?Here's the thing, do you honestly think voters are considered in government policies? Do you REALLY buy this democracy crap?(Original post by xanadu_21)
lol - but i'm sure loads of them were over 18, besides - not all 16 and 17 year olds are completely radical. they have legitimate interests and it is not fair that they are not considered sufficiently in government policies, e.g. university fees...
Ha. And I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at what the governments of the wold can allude people to. Don't get me wrong I'm not promoting any other government but lmao. The thing is many 16-17 year olds who are white who live in "deprived" areas (aka most of their mommies and daddies don't/wont do crap) would add to the BNP vote. Sure the country might not get run by the BNP. But if the constituency has loads of votes for them anyway, and they get a significant increase.. all stuff is gonna go to ****. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?No, all 13 year olds have very small jobs, paper rounds etc. 16 year olds can be full time employed. 13 is far too young.(Original post by electriic_ink)
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?They'll say "older people think it's cool too!".. yeah, they think it's cool because you're going to be voting for them and their mates.(Original post by PinkMobilePhone)
considering the fact that you're still in high school, of course you think this way. You won't when you're older. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?" Now dat GCSE r finish, I wurk in da till @ sainsburyz! Eretz UKIP!"(Original post by multiplexing-gamer)
No, all 13 year olds have very small jobs, paper rounds etc. 16 year olds can be full time employed. 13 is far too young. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?13 year olds don't pay income tax. But they spend their money and when they do, more often than not, it's taxed at 20%. So, should 13 year olds get the vote?(Original post by multiplexing-gamer)
No, all 13 year olds have very small jobs, paper rounds etc. 16 year olds can be full time employed. 13 is far too young.Last edited by electriic_ink; 28-04-2012 at 22:20. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?Most 16 year olds would vote for whoever their parents, teachers or peers do. And their peers would get it from their parents or teachers. It would effectively be strengthening the votes of parents and teachers, which is hardly fair. Few would think for themselves.
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?i don't know about BNP, I would say that younger people tend to go through a super-liberal phase - it's very much like that at my university. but yea I do, because if you want to win an election, you need to get votes and therefore you have to appeal to your voters and select target groups. if younger people do not vote, why bother directing your policies at benefiting them(Original post by InvertedLayman)
Here's the thing, do you honestly think voters are considered in government policies? Do you REALLY buy this democracy crap?
Ha. And I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at what the governments of the wold can allude people to. Don't get me wrong I'm not promoting any other government but lmao. The thing is many 16-17 year olds who are white who live in "deprived" areas (aka most of their mommies and daddies don't/wont do crap) would add to the BNP vote. Sure the country might not get run by the BNP. But if the constituency has loads of votes for them anyway, and they get a significant increase.. all stuff is gonna go to ****. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?Look some things were right for 'equality' like letting women and average and even poor people vote. But some things are just wrong. 18 is too young in my opinion anyway, should be more like 25. 16 is just a joke. Wait till you're 40 and I'll hope you understand. Hope.
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?In the end any age boundary is arbitrary. Sure, there are plenty of 16-year olds who are more mature or intelligent than many 18-year olds. But that's always going to be the case with any age boundary, and they have to draw the line somewhere. So it might as well stay the way it is imo, at least there are going to be more mature people at 18 than at 16.
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?Because older people are parents? Umm did you miss the point where I was talking about constituency? People are like the environment they live in. I don't want to tell you where I live but I bet most kids my age in my area can't even define the world liberal (well actually most in my class first heard my RE teacher say it and still don't know what it means).(Original post by xanadu_21)
i don't know about BNP, I would say that younger people tend to go through a super-liberal phase - it's very much like that at my university. but yea I do, because if you want to win an election, you need to get votes and therefore you have to appeal to your voters and select target groups. if younger people do not vote, why bother directing your policies at benefiting them -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?I think 16 is still too young, it's still GCSE age, when deciding who to vote for is not a top priority for many people. Thinking of friends who are sixteen, I can't really imagine them casting a vote seriously, or knowing exactly why they're voting for who they are. That said, I know there are also lots of politically active younger people- I think it's just for the smaller proportion of people who do know what's going on from a younger age, you can't forget that there's a larger proportion of people who don't.
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?some people are more politically aware than others - regardless of age groups. a lot of adults do not properly understand politics. besides, it is unfair to restrict it according to political awareness, because then it would not be one person one vote and requirements could exclude the less educated classes...(Original post by InvertedLayman)
Look some things were right for 'equality' like letting women and average and even poor people vote. But some things are just wrong. 18 is too young in my opinion anyway, should be more like 25. 16 is just a joke. Wait till you're 40 and I'll hope you understand. Hope. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?That's why it should be elders (40 or over) But everyone would be like "**** no, this is the liberal-ass 21st century". So 25.. but no "this is a western society we have rights".. k then but don't go overboard, please?(Original post by ForgettingWhatsername)
In the end any age boundary is arbitrary. Sure, there are plenty of 16-year olds who are more mature or intelligent than many 18-year olds. But that's always going to be the case with any age boundary, and they have to draw the line somewhere. So it might as well stay the way it is imo, at least there are going to be more mature people at 18 than at 16. -
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Re: Who thinks the voting age should be lowered to 16?Its a war zone, of course its scary. Its hardly going to be a holiday resort.(Original post by InvertedLayman)
Umm.. the fact is that democracy is inherantly flawed.
Don't worry, so I communism. So is every other gonvernment and their ways. If 16 y/o's vote they aren't going to be heard. The only difference is that more votes will go to stupid parties, putting certain constituencies in trouble.
"It's a very dangerous and scary place," Propaganda much?
"Where is the evidence for them shooting innocent people in Afghan?" Heard of the American guy with a 'brain injury'? Seen the leaked videos of choppers killing kids and civilians? Ever heard of the people who quit the army because their "training" was for them to be given a gun and 'do whatever they want' in a village.
Have fun when the same is done to you and your community. Honestly, have fun. Lets see if the army can protect us in our own country? The Taliban wasn't global anyway, that's Al-Qaeda. In either case, if a terrorist wants to **** with the uk they can still do it.. because the uk is spending all the "defence" money on a bloody offence.
You can't criticise them, they're in a built up area with terroists and a threat of death. You dont know what it'd be like to be in that situation, so you cant just play the blame game.
