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Should gay people be allowed to adopt?

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    (Original post by ohirome)
    Society changes and so does the formalities and traditions that go along with it.

    Ah, the old 'the kids will be bullied!' line. Perhaps we should work on eradicating the attitudes and prejudices in society which CAUSE the bullying before putting the emphasis on the victims. Quite why the bullies get priority is beyond me.
    What's your solution? Getting rid of more than 50% of the world's population? Or directly censoring those who do not agree? Because I can assure you that there are MILLIONS of people globally who are not in accord with homosexual adoption.
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    (Original post by Zalachenko)
    Aside from this, if you believe that children will NOT get bullied and laughed at during life when people realize their parents are both male/female, you're definitely an ignorant. As a matter of fact, I've lived in 9 different countries, with the UK being my 10th in September; homosexuality wasn't tolerated in a single one of these (and these aren't Arab countries: but Germany, Russia, South Africa, Cuba...).
    People also get bullied and laughed at for having ginger parents. And fat parents. And nerdy parents. And parents with rubbish jobs. Do we ban these parents from adopting? No, we punish the bullies to let them know that bullying isn't okay.
    We can't stop bullying, I wish we could, but the thing to do isn't to eradicate differences in people that cause bullying, unless you want us all to be carbon copies of each other. The thing to do is to teach people that differences are okay and hope that attitudes change. Stopping gay people from adopting is a step backwards in this process.
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    (Original post by Zalachenko)
    What's your solution? Getting rid of more than 50% of the world's population? Or directly censoring those who do not agree? Because I can assure you that there are MILLIONS of people globally who are not in accord with homosexual adoption.
    I don't have a solution, nor do I need one. I can't change peoples opinions, however I also don't accept that its a-ok to blame the victims and not at least work on the bullies themselves. By keeping your head in the sand, all you're doing is furthering the stubborn prejudice.

    I genuinely don't care about the "MILLIONS" of people who are against adoption. I do however care about the future generation of LGBTQ people who deserve the right to adopt and marry and have the same rights and options as everyone else. Do I have a master plan? Of course not, I'm a nobody in the grand scale of things. The 'marriage is a union between a man and a woman' thing is ridiculous. Religion should not have priority over human rights.
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    every child needs at least one loving parent i believe be them male female or anything else it doesnt matter as long as they love them

    the last two points i think are silly really...
    but the first the bullying is a concern.. but then i think the right support at home and peoples attitude towards bullying is different.. i will always say i was never bullied... i dont feel like i was bullied, noone ever upset me... i was always called names, i was fat well still am fat, and well you know what kids are like i was always being called chubby, and fatty...... i also got called bakewell tart because my surname sounds like bakewell... at primary school my hair band was always being taken by a couple of lads....would take me the whole of the lunch hour before id manage to get it back, i always did... but my god was it effort!... all of which many people would feel they were being bullied, but i always had a lovely family who love me and support me no matter what, and i believe that to be why none of it ever bothered me ... so as long as they get those parents i think they would be able to rise above any stupid people who try and bully them......
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    (Original post by Zalachenko)
    "I pity people who have such closed minds to ideas that are not their own. I take it you also have something against a white person marrying a black person?

    Stop living in the dark ages."

    I'm not going to go into this 'support your claims with evidence' now because I don't have the time. I've got nothing against homosexuals, I know you can't control your sexuality and everybody is what they are born. What I don't find acceptable is the fact that them getting 'together formally' = marriage, when it isn't, marriage is the unison of a man with a woman and it has been like that for hundreds of years. I don't see the point in adapting this. Liberty? Equality? Then why should people not be free to ''marry'' their own family members? Or why don't I marry my own dog tomorrow? He's a being with feelings as well, right? Should this be acceptable too?

    Aside from this, if you believe that children will NOT get bullied and laughed at during life when people realize their parents are both male/female, you're definitely an ignorant. As a matter of fact, I've lived in 9 different countries, with the UK being my 10th in September; homosexuality wasn't tolerated in a single one of these (and these aren't Arab countries: but Germany, Russia, South Africa, Cuba...).
    Actually, as I said, I am gay and all my friends know it too. I AM "Tolerated" and was never bullied for my sexuality. So, obviously Africa will not tolerate it because it kills gay people because it is seen as a crime punishable by death because they view it as a "sickness".

    Besides, we are not talking about marriage here. Anyway, that *kinda* crosses the species barrier. The basic biology of courtship is that an animal will try and woo a mate through a courtship dance. I am pretty sure that if a monkey, dog or cat tried to do its mating dance with you, you wouldn't respond, right?

    Homosexuality has been legal since 1967 (a total of 45 years) and has since evolved and the UK will probably legalise gay marriage by the year 2015 (can't say I am that bothered because marriage is under religion and, 1 - I am not religious, 2 - Most religions would see me dead).

    So, in short, homosexuality is NOT frowned upon in the UK like the rest of the countries you have seen. Well, at least not where I have been anyway. People view me for who I am and not what I am, albeit I usually wait a good few months before coming out to people so they get to know me as a person and thereby know whether or not I am the kind of person they want to be around.

    So, in short, I am openly gay but I am not fruity. I like most of the stuff guys like but, I just don't find women attractive.
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    The worst I have encountered is a bit of teasing which is actually a bit of fun in small amounts. Then again, people I know make small race puns to each other as well, we pretty much poke fun but never bully each other at many different things.
    Example, people ask me "what is it like to sleep with guys?" I sometimes poke a bit of fun and say it is like sleeping with a woman if the *i*s are big enough.
    People make jokes out of whatever they can to give everyone a decent laugh every now and again.
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Actually, as I said, I am gay and all my friends know it too. I AM "Tolerated" and was never bullied for my sexuality. So, obviously Africa will not tolerate it because it kills gay people because it is seen as a crime punishable by death because they view it as a "sickness".

    Besides, we are not talking about marriage here. Anyway, that *kinda* crosses the species barrier. The basic biology of courtship is that an animal will try and woo a mate through a courtship dance. I am pretty sure that if a monkey, dog or cat tried to do its mating dance with you, you wouldn't respond, right?

    Homosexuality has been legal since 1967 (a total of 45 years) and has since evolved and the UK will probably legalise gay marriage by the year 2015 (can't say I am that bothered because marriage is under religion and, 1 - I am not religious, 2 - Most religions would see me dead).

    So, in short, homosexuality is NOT frowned upon in the UK like the rest of the countries you have seen. Well, at least not where I have been anyway. People view me for who I am and not what I am, albeit I usually wait a good few months before coming out to people so they get to know me as a person and thereby know whether or not I am the kind of person they want to be around.

    So, in short, I am openly gay but I am not fruity. I like most of the stuff guys like but, I just don't find women attractive.
    Religion doesn't own marriage, it doesn't have to have anything to do with it, my parents civil marriage never mentioned god, neither did my brothers..
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    This isn't really directly related but is somewhat indirectly related to the current situation we are talking about here.

    There is a theory of a gay gene way back in prehistoric man where there was a dominant male and, since biologically, males are supposed to be fighters, or to say the least, more physically capable of hand to hand combat than women.
    Homosexual individuals would be left with the females as a method of protection.
    So, if this is a kind of adoption because if you trusted a person not to sleep with your daughter, aunt, stepsister, sister, or in this case, an adopted child, then, it was seen as something which could be beneficial to the group.

    Video is seen below:



    So, in a sense, homosexual individuals were and still possibly could be seen as adoptive individuals, if you have it, "nannies" to people in need of a home.
    I am not trying to apply this to such a full extent back then, but, the adoption part could be seen and brought back (well, when I say brought back, I mean as it was then without the mother/father role model BS issues). How it disappeared I will never know.

    Although, these are all theories and no proof exists as of yet.
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    Dawkins obviously isnt aware of the super wonderful theory of green.tea. Which is that gays realised that they would need offspring to care for them as they got old so still formed m/f partnerships purely for the purpose of child rearing.
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    Yes, i really am now going to start arguing with richard dawkins.

    Gonna need some good battle music for this...
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    Also I disagree with the idea homo=ninny incapable of hunting. From what ive read samurai often had gay sex and theyd own you in the face. I think gay ninnyism is a cultural thing like hippies.
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    I did my essay on this for my folio and I think they should be allowed to. Surely a child is better off with two loving dads/mums, than no parents at all?
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    Also I disagree with the idea homo=ninny incapable of hunting. From what ive read samurai often had gay sex and theyd own you in the face. I think gay ninnyism is a cultural thing like hippies.
    That was never said. It was said that many homosexuals had desirable traits, perhaps one was a better hunter or perhaps one had better trapping skills. However, it wasn't like humans to leave their females unprotected at home. So, it was said in the video that the one who stayed behind to protect the females was probably a homosexual due to him being physically stronger than the females and not sleeping with the dominant male's woman.

    So, it wasn't as though homosexual individuals/partners weren't incapable of adopting back then or looking after children for long/extended periods of time because a hunt could possibly have taken several days to complete.
    So, why so different now?

    *Gone slightly off topic here*
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    As for bullying, in my experience while mothers are all tell the teacher dads say to punch anyone that picks on you as hard as you can. Thats what stops the bullying. Telling the teacher will only make it worse but physically sticking up for yourself will earn respect and stop the bullying. A good example of an area where male input is required.
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    That was never said. It was said that many homosexuals had desirable traits, perhaps one was a better hunter or perhaps one had better trapping skills. However, it wasn't like humans to leave their females unprotected at home. So, it was said in the video that the one who stayed behind to protect the females was probably a homosexual due to him being physically stronger than the females and not sleeping with the dominant male's woman.

    So, it wasn't as though homosexual individuals/partners weren't incapable of adopting back then or looking after children for long/extended periods of time because a hunt could possibly have taken several days to complete.
    So, why so different now?

    *Gone slightly off topic here*
    Dawkins implied homosexuals as other than "big butch men"
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    As for bullying, in my experience while mothers are all tell the teacher dads say to punch anyone that picks on you as hard as you can. Thats what stops the bullying. Telling the teacher will only make it worse but physically sticking up for yourself will earn respect and stop the bullying. A good example of an area where male input is required.
    Actually, my mother is a proper tom boy and will have a go at anyone who is an ass. I remember getting into a fight when I was about 15. Whilst there was no official winner because a teacher came into it, I did earn a bit of respect and actually became friends with the guy in the end.

    You DON'T need a male role model in the house. All you need is a good head on your shoulders telling you when to fight or not. I am not a violent person and typically never ever lose my temper.

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    Bad English is bad.
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Actually, my mother is a proper tom boy and will have a go at anyone who is an ass. I remember getting into a fight when I was about 15 and I got into a fight. Whilst there was no official winner because a teacher came into it, I did earn a bit of respect and actually became friends with the guy in the end.

    You DON'T need a male role model in the house. All you need is a good head on your shoulders telling you when to fight or not. I am not a violent person and typically never ever lose my temper.
    Ok it a generalisation. But its still generally true.
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
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    Bad English is bad.
    This is my conversational english. I find it good.
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    (Original post by green.tea)
    As for bullying, in my experience while mothers are all tell the teacher dads say to punch anyone that picks on you as hard as you can. Thats what stops the bullying. Telling the teacher will only make it worse but physically sticking up for yourself will earn respect and stop the bullying. A good example of an area where male input is required.
    Actually, when I told a member of staff and the police, the bullying stopped. At least from one source anyway.
    And again the 'male' input of telling you to punch someone doesn't have to come from a father, it could come from a cousin, uncle, grandfather, family friend or even a mother. It's a stereotypical gender role, and it doesn't require you to have a father.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    Actually, when I told a member of staff and the police, the bullying stopped. At least from one source anyway.
    And again the 'male' input of telling you to punch someone doesn't have to come from a father, it could come from a cousin, uncle, grandfather, family friend or even a mother.
    I dont wanna go back over that again. Lets discuss the gay gene.

    What do you think about the gay gene dying out due to adoption but remaining as result of my suggested m/f child rearing partnership idea?
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