[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by misterxninja)




Surprise Surprise, I'm a Liberal. Guess I was more Lib Dem than notable members who claim I was not a real Lib Dem as I was a rabid righty.

Give it a rest. Take a deep breath, step away from the computer and remember exactly what it is you're getting so upset about: a virtual political party on a student forum.

[JPKC]

(Original post by misterxninja)




Surprise Surprise, I'm a Liberal. Guess I was more Lib Dem than notable members who claim I was not a real Lib Dem as I was a rabid righty.

That's a reading that'd fit in the Libertarians nicely.

[Rakas21]

Fair point on the test but in regards to your party it does seem that since you are creating it because Morgsie will not take the Lib Dems left, the logical assumption is that your party will be akin to Ashdown-Kennedy Lib Dems.

[RoryS]

(Original post by davidmarsh01)
Because Labour is full of cool people

Also, someone knocked over the grit bin across from my house during the night, so I put it back up and shovelled the grit that had fell out back in. I'm such a good, upstanding member of my community.

We're all cool

You're definitely community spirited my friend

[Mechie]

(Original post by RoryS)
We're all cool

You're definitely community spirited my friend

It was solely a result of me being inspired by the Conservative "Big Society" message. I felt by doing it I'd be providing an essential contribution to the "Big Society" and I must thank the Conservatives profusely for bringing be round to this mindset.

[RoryS]

(Original post by davidmarsh01)
It was solely a result of me being inspired by the Conservative "Big Society" message. I felt by doing it I'd be providing an essential contribution to the "Big Society" and I must thank the Conservatives profusely for bringing be round to this mindset.

Lol

We're together on this. The 'Big Society' - what a load of nonsense.

[Leon Trotsky]

Morgsie's not leader anymore anyway, and I don't think he'll win the leadership election.

But yeah, I guess this party would be fairly similar to Ashdown and Kennedy's Lib Dems in that they were both more left wing than the party currently is (RL and TSR), but I don't really see your point.

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Addzter)
Give it a rest. Take a deep breath, step away from the computer and remember exactly what it is you're getting so upset about: a virtual political party on a student forum.

I'm a real Lib Dem I really campaign and really meet Lib Dem politicians. For me this is not just a little virtual political party on a student forum. It is another political battleground that effects the real life campaign. If students can support see sense in the Lib Dems and we win our arguments here I can find out what worked what didn't and replicate the strategy. So sure it is just this and that, but it has scope for so much more than your thinking processes can comprehend.

I'm no longer a TSR Lib Dem, you got your wishes and ballot boxed bullied your way to success through threat, force and rebel raptor hit and run attacks of an underhanded conspirator nature - well done you won, because leadership candidates didn't want to rock the boat while seeking election and do what was right.

If it had Ashdown politics who is a Liberal I would still be there still see sense in it. Charles Kennedy is still a Lib Dem he tried to appeal to left-voters he is not as left as you assume. Your test results show you neither agree with Ashdown or Kennedy, so what the hell are you - not a Lib Dem but a Socialist. You form a new party when really Labour especially TSR Labour can accommodate your tax bomb the rich views and halt all growth, failure to understand an economy is based on incentive and cooperation - rich don't get any incentive in being rich anymore under your tax proposals and thus after being taxed of there success they are likely to leave the country or have no money to invest in the economy and create jobs so we never get growth.

Likewise the poor need to be taken out of tax too, because then they can have more money to spend and stabilize the market, if household budgets return to healthy levels then all the shops do well and then we get a small trickle of revenue from business tax and also money is used to make more jobs as the companies have money to grow and expand and everything picks back up again. Your tax proposals are not Lib Dem and your snap judgement the Lib Dems were once a left party is wrong. Ashdown was not left nor was he right he was centrist. Kennedy the same but for electoral strategy sold himself as a centre left alternative to Labour even though once you put his policies under the microscope and his personal ideas off the record, you find he was too a centrist.

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Addzter)
I wouldn't say it's a left-Lib Dem party, nor would I say I'm as far left as the Socialists. Maybe that test didn't read me quite right.

Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote in formation of the Social Liberal parties, your tax policy could not get more socialist with wealth distribution... That is not Lib Dem, the Lib Dems want fairness a fair tax system for all income earners, not an unfair one on the rich and over generous one on the poor that dis-incentivises ambition hard work and aspirations. They don't want to tax the rich and bleed growth potential out of the economy, we are a natural market party and have always supported the market and founded the bloody notion of the market. You are within that test and within your Social Liberal party principles and ideas in the formation also a Socialist, you clearly didn't understand politics properly and thought you were something you were not and thought the Lib Dems were or have been something they were not and never have been.

[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by misterxninja)
Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote in formation of the Social Liberal parties, your tax policy could not get more socialist with wealth distribution...

What's socialist about it? The fact we're taxing the rich more than the poor? You realise that happens now, right?

[paperclip]

(Original post by davidmarsh01)
It was solely a result of me being inspired by the Conservative "Big Society" message. I felt by doing it I'd be providing an essential contribution to the "Big Society" and I must thank the Conservatives profusely for bringing be round to this mindset.

Please rate some other members before rating this member again

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Addzter)
What's socialist about it? The fact we're taxing the rich more than the poor? You realise that happens now, right?

There is a fine line between progressive taxation at fair levels and tax bombing the nation out of growth. Your ideas on tax are tax bomb not tax progression.

[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by misterxninja)
There is a fine line between progressive taxation at fair levels and tax bombing the nation out of growth. Your ideas on tax are tax bomb not tax progression.

Enlighten me: at which point does it become socialist?

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Addzter)
Enlighten me: at which point does it become socialist?

That you want to raise taxes further than they are. Economically Socialist. Your results show you are a socialist, no doubts about it really.

[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by misterxninja)
That you want to raise taxes further than they are. Economically Socialist. Your results show you are a socialist, no doubts about it really.

You misunderstood my question. At what point does taxing the rich become socialist?

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Addzter)
You misunderstood my question. At what point does taxing the rich become socialist?

50% for me many would say 40% up though, it really is a bad idea to tax that much for growth.

[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by misterxninja)
50% for me many would say 40% up though, it really is a bad idea to tax that much for growth.

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The point was that taxation doesn't suddenly become "socialist" when it crosses a certain threshold. You have no clue what you're talking about.

[misterxninja]

(Original post by Addzter)
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The point was that taxation doesn't suddenly become "socialist" when it crosses a certain threshold. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Of course it does and to hell I do. You want to tax the transaction of money, it is absurd - how on earth we will grow economically if we thieve from the rich and give to the poor, where is the incentive in working hard gone?

You are a socialist through and through you embody it, your just blind to some inexperience in regard to politics and for some reason like to pretend you are a Liberal. What exactly is Liberal about you, you disregard the market are protectionist and big on taxing us out of a deficit and stunting a growing economy and you disregard individuals and believe in classes and dangerous utilitarian ideas that exploit and hurt minorities to help the majority.

People with money in our society are the ones who will make society more money and wealth in society accumulates and disperses and as a wide collective we all do well out of business doing well and individuals with great wealth investing in jobs in our country, dispersal of wealth and web of wealth.

You are a Socialist the results leave it as firm truth. Call it what name you want to help your self belief your something special and above such a term as socialist, but this house is starting to regard you as a Socialist and your little early Social Liberal agenda confirms the results of your test to be a Socialist. Socialism had no place or part in the Lib Dems it never did or has.

[Leon Trotsky]

(Original post by misterxninja)
Of course it does and to hell I do. You want to tax the transaction of money, it is absurd - how on earth we will grow economically if we thieve from the rich and give to the poor, where is the incentive in working hard gone?

You are a socialist through and through you embody it, your just blind to some inexperience in regard to politics and for some reason like to pretend you are a Liberal. What exactly is Liberal about you, you disregard the market are protectionist and big on taxing us out of a deficit and stunting a growing economy and you disregard individuals and believe in classes and dangerous utilitarian ideas that exploit and hurt minorities to help the majority.

People with money in our society are the ones who will make society more money and wealth in society accumulates and disperses and as a wide collective we all do well out of business doing well and individuals with great wealth investing in jobs in our country, dispersal of wealth and web of wealth.

You are a Socialist the results leave it as firm truth. Call it what name you want to help your self belief your something special and above such a term as socialist, but this house is starting to regard you as a Socialist and your little early Social Liberal agenda confirms the results of your test to be a Socialist. Socialism had no place or part in the Lib Dems it never did or has.

You're just throwing all these terms and accusations around despite the fact you don't know what they mean and have nothing to back them up.

Why do you say I "disregard the market" for example?

[ByronicHero]

Tories.