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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Um this is going to sound quite right wing but why does there need to be people who aren't white? Now and again certain characters in remakes or adaptions of books or old films have been cast to people of ethnicity. Now either it was because that actor was the best choice or because they felt like they needed an...ahem..."token."

    I'm always a bit wary when people comment on such things unless race and ethnicity is relevant to a character and/or story.
    Oh I totally see your point. However, they have created a fair few characters for this film who have either not existed previously or are so minor that you could completely remake them and it would still work. It's not that the story would be enhanced or anything, and I hate positive discrimination, but at some point we're going to have to change this aspect of our media. Chronic under representation just makes people feel disconnected.
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    I see there is a new bar, that was quick. Whisky on the rocks please.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    To be honest I might just spoil my ballot.
    That's what I'm doing. My ward is an ultra-safe Labour seat (more than 80% of the vote last year) and I'm not inclined to help either of the Lib Dem or Tory candidates to recover their deposits tbh.
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    What is wrong with people in this Country?

    There are 5 different electoral systems, STV, AMS, Supplementary, FPTP and PR list under D'Hondt for the European Parliament.

    Yet people rejected AV for Westminster.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    What is wrong with people in this Country?

    There are 5 different electoral systems, STV, AMS, Supplementary, FPTP and PR list under D'Hondt for the European P{arliament.

    Yet people rejected AV for Westminster.
    Whilst i do want electoral reform (full party list preferably but STV as a compromise) i rejected AV.

    Av is only more proportional when the third party polls within the dis-proportionality index of each election, it is less proportional than FPTP when the third party is roughly more than 15% behind the winner.

    Essentially AV is a highly unstable electoral system and i believe that in the long term FPTP will produce ever more coalitions anyway as the combined Labour-Conservative vote share continues to fall.
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    Mostly that AV was crap and the way that that referendum wa run you were never going to get a yes vote. The precedent could have been apple bobbing and we'd still have kept it.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Whilst i do want electoral reform (full party list preferably but STV as a compromise) i rejected AV.

    Av is only more proportional when the third party polls within the dis-proportionality index of each election, it is less proportional than FPTP when the third party is roughly more than 15% behind the winner.

    Essentially AV is a highly unstable electoral system and i believe that in the long term FPTP will produce ever more coalitions anyway as the combined Labour-Conservative vote share continues to fall.
    I want electoral reform, voted for AV because I saw it as a step towards a more proportional system. The rejection has meant electoral reform is off the agenda at a time when FPTP is unstable.

    On a different note, you remind me of Ken Clark because of your views and you are on the left of the Conservatives
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    I posted before about my ideal electoral system. I didn't come up with it, but it makes perfect sense!

    Keep it as first past the post. Everyone in a constituency votes. Then, instead of the one with the most votes winning, pick a random vote out of a hat. This way you still get regional representation at a local level, and nationwide you will end up with statistically a more or less proportional representation. Fantastic.
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    (Original post by CyclopsRock)
    I posted before about my ideal electoral system. I didn't come up with it, but it makes perfect sense!

    Keep it as first past the post. Everyone in a constituency votes. Then, instead of the one with the most votes winning, pick a random vote out of a hat. This way you still get regional representation at a local level, and nationwide you will end up with statistically a more or less proportional representation. Fantastic.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Well, the short version is that you'll like it if you liked Thor. Mindless crap, but looks insanely pretty (99% of the time- there was one moment, perhaps two seconds worth, of absolutely appalling green screen during the climactic fight). Full of great little inner child moments. If you're not the kind of person who thinks when you watch films, this will be great for you. I personally had a few moments of zoning out.

    The long version. I won't put any spoilers in, but I will put it in tags.

    Spoiler:
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    As I say, mindless crap. Story is awful. In general it's all very "well that just happened so this is about to happen. Oh, there, it happened. That means that this plot device needs to occur... oh there it is". Incredibly predictable film. Unsurprisingly, they don't manage to get enough character development to justify the presumably insane amount of money they spent on actors, though I don't fault them for this since it was an impossible task. Overall it would have been better as an animated film a la the Justice League stuff. Would have been much cheaper, probably looked better, and they wouldn't have had to do certain things they have to do for live action.

    Now, that's the big picture. Actually, the smaller things were probably more good than bad. For example, most of the acting is better than in most Hollywood stuff nowadays. Highlights are Loki, who is once again fantastic, and Banner. This new Hulk is very good. I do speak as someone who hasn't seen the most recent Hulk film with Tim Roth in, but this guy is fantastic.

    The 'oh woah that was so cool' level is pretty damn high. I won't spoil them, but basically once things get going there's about one every ten minutes. Example that you can all guess would happen so isn't too much of a spoil is when the Hulk is given a standard "God you're so thick, I'm much smarter and more powerful than you" speech and proceeds to smash the **** out of the offending character. There are a very high level of one liners, which are all very TBBT. By that I mean, you can sense the wait they've left in for the laughter. Personally I'm not a fan of that, but I know that many people don't mind it. Lots of banter between Stark, Banner and Cpt America, but Loki gets to make his fair share of snappy remarks.

    They managed to contrive a way to have pretty much every member of the Avengers fight, or at least hit once, each other. There's a nice early fight as they're still in the hour long exposition section. The action scenes are a little unbelievable in some cases. I don't mean in the sense that a giant green guy is smashing a load of enemies, that's a given. But Hawkeye hits literally every time, defying how ballistics works multiple times, and I mean every single time unless it would be plot relevant for him to not do so. A few times you're left wondering why a particular thing has happened. The action is incredibly structured, but is still worth watching. Any fight in which one of the assassins is involved is great.

    The film looks pretty damn awesome. Great costumes, effects, sets. A minor spoiler is that they make the SHIELD heli-carrier happen. It's ****ing A. Things like Hulk hitting [hard thing] or Iron Man doing [flashy explosion type stuff] look really really pretty. As I said above, there are one or two extremely brief moments where it doesn't quite work, but in total this is probably less than a minute's worth of footage.

    Overall, your inner child will probably enjoy it, but not a much as watching something like a Justice League animated film. It's very cheesy in parts and, because they had to fit so much in, there's an hour of underwhelming exposition to sit through. Badly storyboarded, well produced and acted. Had I been on my own watching it, I would have considered walking out, only stopping myself on the basis that at some point Hulk and Iron Man were going to blow **** up.

    Spoilers: they do.


    A sad thing is that there is basically no-one in this film that isn't white. Obvious exception of Fury aside, the only other time that there's any diversity is when they do a thing at the end where various civilians thank the Avengers for what they've done. There was at least an hour in the first half, no exaggerations, in which Fury was the only character of any kind not to be a white person. I think about four SHIELD members were of a different ethnicity, and SHIELD is ****ing massive. Same goes for generic civilians, bad guy soldiers etc.
    I'd usually watch films like that online, but you've made it sound like a laugh, and I've not heard a bad word about it in terms of entertainment from everyone else who's seen it (which seems to be everyone bar me). I might head to the pictures and have a little Saturday matinee with this and then The Cabin in the Woods which looks on par as well.

    The ethnicity thing is just a problem that pretty much all Hollywood films struggle with, and it's also sadly the case that independent cinema doesn't do any better at all. Does it pass the Bechdel test? That would provide a slight shred of hope if it does.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Enjoy, I voted at 7am the first year I could vote - not that I planned it like that, I wanted a dramatic diving to the box as they slowly closed it up :p: - I was on placement and needed to be there for half past as we were going on a school trip and so it became that I was the first one crossed off the list.

    We've got a mayoralty referendum too. Still milling it over but its looking like a no from me.

    My brother has the chance to vote for the first time tomorrow - made me laugh earlier on, he admits to knowing very little other than the Lib Dems aren't very nice. He said in the car earlier it's going to be an 'eenie, meenie, minee mo' job. To which my Mum shouted at him saying women died trying to get the vote.

    James just replied, 'Mum, one I'm a Man and two blokes aren't daft enough to be throwing themselves under horses.'
    Lol. He should watch some BBC News reports from Syria to learn how ****ty apathy is...

    (Original post by TopHat)
    I agree that the leadership is shambolic, but I don't think mayors will change that. As I pointed out, there has been a single change between parties in mayorships excluding London - and that was after the incumbent was arrested on child pornography charges. The terrible leadership won't be improved by putting in mayors, because people simply don't care - look how it doesn't affect turnout. What will improve the leadership is making councillors and council leaders more visible, and that's done by giving them more power. Mayors are just passing the buck down the line - shifting the problem one step higher up the chain without solving it. To me, Doncaster is the ultimate argument against mayors.

    I disagree - I find it worse than the status quo. Not that I'm defending the status quo, which is awful, I just feel a lot of people are making a frying pan to fire transition.
    I think local government elections only work well when there's no safe seats or guarantee that a certain party will win - like things are in London today. I voted no this morning but still reckon we'll end up with a mayor, and perhaps it'll work, if not then I'm sure we can revert.
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    Only two more years, then I can add one more vote to the Tories pitiful taking in this city :/
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    Been told I'm not going to have enough time in college to finish the technical drawings for the unit so I take a portable drawing board home and it's a load of absolute balls
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    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    Been told I'm not going to have enough time in college to finish the technical drawings for the unit so I take a portable drawing board home and it's a load of absolute balls
    We used one of them in school once, when technology was still compulsory and we'd finished what we were doing. We were all crap at using them, I think I broke mine
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    We used one of them in school once, when technology was still compulsory and we'd finished what we were doing. We were all crap at using them, I think I broke mine
    I'm fine with doing drawings at home, and I think I could manage them, but the bloody rule attached to the board just won't stay straight and level, it's totally useless.
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    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    I'm fine with doing drawings at home, and I think I could manage them, but the bloody rule attached to the board just won't stay straight and level, it's totally useless.
    ha ha, that was part of my problem with them, I think we've got one of my grandad's old ones somewhere at home, and the ruler is hardly ever on it!
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    ha ha, that was part of my problem with them, I think we've got one of my grandad's old ones somewhere at home, and the ruler is hardly ever on it!
    I'm going to have to do some overtime at college to get the drawings done now. The board is crap :lol:
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    People are claiming that a comic book film didn't have enough racial diversity?

    Bloody hell, the original comics were mainly written in the 50's so of course the characters are going to be predominantly white.
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    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/w...s-7711682.html

    Anyone seen this?
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    So I voted today... go Boris... didn't get IDed though, I am pretty sure that is not normal... or is it? :holmes:
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