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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VIDepends which country to begin with. I plan to do it next year when I go for a trip around Europe in the summer for 2 weeks (bye bye student loan).(Original post by Metrobeans)
Has anyone ever been on a sleeper train?
The reason I ask is because while on a mini-break this weekend, we took an overnight coach from Cologne to Paris, which on reflection was a really bad idea. I was dumped at some random out of town metro station at 6am, having gotten no sleep walking around like a zombie. I guess I want to know if sleeper trains are any easier to sleep on!
Also, depends what you are like at sleeping in general. I could be woken up by ant crawling about 20m away!! But I have done it once before in France, and to be honest, I got a bit of sleep. My brother got plenty, but he sleeps like a log. Definitely better than an overnight coach, but not brilliant. Also, one toilet per carriage isn't great (though that may have improved since last I did it) -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VII'm not sure why I'm leader actually! Jangra asked the supers to transfer it to me, but I don't care for the society at all really.(Original post by Morgsie)
I haven't been on a sleeper train would like to though.
http://www.seat61.com/sleepers.htm (this might help)
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VII've done the overnight train from Halifax to Montreal and the overnight bus. I slept for a good bit of the night on the train and some of the night on the bus but in the end I still felt quite urgh from both experiences. This was partly the result of having to change bus in Rivière-de-Loup. I'd agree with bun in that respect.(Original post by Metrobeans)
Has anyone ever been on a sleeper train?
The reason I ask is because while on a mini-break this weekend, we took an overnight coach from Cologne to Paris, which on reflection was a really bad idea. I was dumped at some random out of town metro station at 6am, having gotten no sleep walking around like a zombie. I guess I want to know if sleeper trains are any easier to sleep on! -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI(Original post by bun)
Depends which country to begin with. I plan to do it next year when I go for a trip around Europe in the summer for 2 weeks (bye bye student loan).
Also, depends what you are like at sleeping in general. I could be woken up by ant crawling about 20m away!! But I have done it once before in France, and to be honest, I got a bit of sleep. My brother got plenty, but he sleeps like a log. Definitely better than an overnight coach, but not brilliant. Also, one toilet per carriage isn't great (though that may have improved since last I did it)Thanks. I think they're a great alternative to catching a plane/wasting a day travelling, but if I couldn't get a decent night's sleep and wake up the following morning feeling refreshed, I'd rather take the longer/more expensive option! It was an idea of taking the CityNightline from Amsterdam to Prague, but I'm not the easiest sleeper, so perhaps it's not for me. I'm not enough of an aficionado to want to go for the sake of it, with the exception that I really want to visit India and travel around the country by train!(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
I've done the overnight train from Halifax to Montreal and the overnight bus. I slept for a good bit of the night on the train and some of the night on the bus but in the end I still felt quite urgh from both experiences. This was partly the result of having to change bus in Rivière-de-Loup. I'd agree with bun in that respect. -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VISleeper trains are not that great (went on one aged 11) but better than an overnight coach.(Original post by Metrobeans)
Has anyone ever been on a sleeper train?
The reason I ask is because while on a mini-break this weekend, we took an overnight coach from Cologne to Paris, which on reflection was a really bad idea. I was dumped at some random out of town metro station at 6am, having gotten no sleep walking around like a zombie. I guess I want to know if sleeper trains are any easier to sleep on! -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VIAh to look like an intellect(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
Of a kind of intellectual grace when it comes to smoking. More grace, at least, than its possible to get from a packet of Benson & Hedges.
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VII kind of expected you to know his name but you seemed puzzled at the notion of looking intellectual and having an intellectual grace whilst smoking. Camus, to me, eptiomises precisely those qualities that people associate with "intellectual grace" and the French art of smoking. Beauty doesn't come into it. Dujardin illustrates the allure of that art, granted. -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VIBeauty comes into it for me... while the ugly guys still look good with a cigarette, it is the men like me that truly pull it off(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
I kind of expected you to know his name but you seemed puzzled at the notion of looking intellectual and having an intellectual grace whilst smoking. Camus, to me, eptiomises precisely those qualities that people associate with "intellectual grace" and the French art of smoking. Beauty doesn't come into it. Dujardin illustrates the allure of that art, granted.
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VIYou really have failed to grasp what I was saying, haven't you.(Original post by tehFrance)
Beauty comes into it for me... while the ugly guys still look good with a cigarette, it is the men like me that truly pull it off
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VIWell the competition comes with companies outside of the UK. The UK doesn't exist in a vacuum: British Coal, British Steel, British Airways, British Telecom, British Gas all competed with companies elsewhere in the world whilst bringing the benefits to the people of the UK. Competition has certainly not improved the health service, schools or the trains particularly. I do wish you, as a trained classicist who should know better, would be less cavalier with history.(Original post by toronto353)
No I meant to refer to that period and on reflection I should have been clear from the start. Of course it isn't binary, but the 80's privatisation policy has had some economic benefit. Has nationalisation? No not particularly. It doesn't encourage competition because the firm is state run. Nationalisation isn't always bad, but there are some cases in which it is.
Oh come on, we all know abucha is a racist xenophobe.Mr Speaker this comment was made years ago. The Right Honourable member seems to forget that he has made comments about people's learning difficulties. Does the House berate him for that any more? No. Why is he berating my Right Honourable friend for a comment made years ago? -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VINo but is it really my fault? I am not exactly the smartest one here am I?(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
You really have failed to grasp what I was saying, haven't you.
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VINow Adorno, you know that I am not a history focused classicist.(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
Well the competition comes with companies outside of the UK. The UK doesn't exist in a vacuum: British Coal, British Steel, British Airways, British Telecom, British Gas all competed with companies elsewhere in the world whilst bringing the benefits to the people of the UK. Competition has certainly not improved the health service, schools or the trains particularly. I do wish you, as a trained classicist who should know better, would be less cavalier with history.
My specialism is classical literature. Competition doesn't work with everything. I agree with you on the health service. The NHS may have a lot wrong with it, but it works well. Electricity companies is another area where competition hasn't worked, but that's a problem with weak regulators and we need to look at competition I feel.
Maybe in the past. Has he improved? Yes.Oh come on, we all know abucha is a racist xenophobe. -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VIBut the great myth of the privatisation agenda was that monolithic nationalised industries were incapable of doing anything but failing. That they were regulated and delivered things that people wanted is neither here nor there apparently. Privatised companies were supposed to be grown up and perfectly capable of self-regulating because, y'know, they're superior to anything that the state has ever come up with ever. Apparently now you tell me that privatisation, which you love, needs to be regulated as though its a state corporation? Well, then, why not just have the state corporation to do the job properly in the first place?(Original post by toronto353)
Now Adorno, you know that I am not a history focused classicist. My specialism is classical literature. Competition doesn't work with everything. I agree with you on the health service. The NHS may have a lot wrong with it, but it works well. Electricity companies is another area where competition hasn't worked, but that's a problem with weak regulators and we need to look at competition I feel.
Has he? Really? I doubt it.Maybe in the past. Has he improved? Yes. -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI(Original post by tehFrance)
Beauty comes into it for me... while the ugly guys still look good with a cigarette, it is the men like me that truly pull it off
This exchange is hilarious.(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
You really have failed to grasp what I was saying, haven't you.
Brilliant first point, and agreed on the second one too.(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
But the great myth of the privatisation agenda was that monolithic nationalised industries were incapable of doing anything but failing. That they were regulated and delivered things that people wanted is neither here nor there apparently. Privatised companies were supposed to be grown up and perfectly capable of self-regulating because, y'know, they're superior to anything that the state has ever come up with ever. Apparently now you tell me that privatisation, which you love, needs to be regulated as though its a state corporation? Well, then, why not just have the state corporation to do the job properly in the first place?
Has he? Really? I doubt it.
Those anarchists and their crazy ideas(Original post by Metrobeans)
I think a rethink of the rules surrounding who can ask questions in PMQs may be in order. Scrapping the rules completely seems like a good idea to me...
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VIYour first point made me think you were flirting with market socialism, then you veered away a little.(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
But the great myth of the privatisation agenda was that monolithic nationalised industries were incapable of doing anything but failing. That they were regulated and delivered things that people wanted is neither here nor there apparently. Privatised companies were supposed to be grown up and perfectly capable of self-regulating because, y'know, they're superior to anything that the state has ever come up with ever. Apparently now you tell me that privatisation, which you love, needs to be regulated as though its a state corporation? Well, then, why not just have the state corporation to do the job properly in the first place? -
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Re: The Commons Bar Mk VIHave you decided what kind of socialist I am yet?(Original post by Keckers)
Your first point made me think you were flirting with market socialism, then you veered away a little.
(slight man crush 
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My specialism is classical literature. Competition doesn't work with everything. I agree with you on the health service. The NHS may have a lot wrong with it, but it works well. Electricity companies is another area where competition hasn't worked, but that's a problem with weak regulators and we need to look at competition I feel.
