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  1. Metrobeans's Avatar
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Ta all. Having gotten myself in to KCL, I've got to start planning where to live etc. It looks like I'll be in the Clapham area or thereabouts, just wondering whether it's worth getting a bike to save a bit of transport money in the long run. Though Boris bikes seem fun.
    It probably would save money. A bus pass is £72 monthly and travelcard for tube/trains is £112 monthly.

    I guess the question is if you can be bothered to cycle the 8-10 mile round trip each day.
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI


    I want to see this more than the real thing now...
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    KCL eh, watch all the words you speak slip down off the end of your nose come September and you suddenly get a subscription to the Financial Times!
    Haha. Fairly likely. Unless I end up hating the city I plan to stay there afterwards and try and find work.
    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    It probably would save money. A bus pass is £72 monthly and travelcard for tube/trains is £112 monthly.

    I guess the question is if you can be bothered to cycle the 8-10 mile round trip each day.
    Hmm. How about Oyster card prices? /clueless

    I can, though I've not cycled in a while and not in a city for many years. I may even walk it on nicer days.
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    To quote someone who commented on that article, it's a shame the government doesn't spend nearly as much time dealing with tax evasion.
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Come September you'll suddenly get a subscription to the Financial Times!
    Hey what is wrong with reading the FT?
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    Why should you get paid to go on strike, though?
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18476504

    Bloody government.
    During the Miners' Strike, Thatcher did that but not just to the miner on strike but to his entire family on the pretence that the strikers were in receipt of strike pay. Of course, they weren't and so there were families who were having to make do on £6.50 a week - the total sum of family allowance in those days. In today's terms that's about £18. We are just going back to a situation where our government treats part of the people it is charged with looking after as enemies of the state. It's wrong and it's inhuman.
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    (Original post by Mazzini)
    Why should you get paid to go on strike, though?
    You're not being paid to go on strike. No-one is ever paid to go on strike. When I went on strike in November, I lost a day's pay which is as it should be. They are being paid through the benefits system on a formula which looks at how their earnings are over the course of a month (and a year). A loss of a day's pay because of a strike will be recognised by that formula as a dip in earnings and the formula makes up the difference through the welfare system, which, let's not forget for one minute, the striking worker has PAID INTO.
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    You're not being paid to go on strike. No-one is ever paid to go on strike. When I went on strike in November, I lost a day's pay which is as it should be. They are being paid through the benefits system on a formula which looks at how their earnings are over the course of a month (and a year). A loss of a day's pay because of a strike will be recognised by that formula as a dip in earnings and the formula makes up the difference through the welfare system, which, let's not forget for one minute, the striking worker has PAID INTO.
    I took leave that day, so I was paid not to work. Except I went into work anyway to watch PMQ's.
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    You're not being paid to go on strike. No-one is ever paid to go on strike. When I went on strike in November, I lost a day's pay which is as it should be. They are being paid through the benefits system on a formula which looks at how their earnings are over the course of a month (and a year). A loss of a day's pay because of a strike will be recognised by that formula as a dip in earnings and the formula makes up the difference through the welfare system, which, let's not forget for one minute, the striking worker has PAID INTO.
    Oh, oops

    Got confused about the system... Fail.
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    During the Miners' Strike, Thatcher did that but not just to the miner on strike but to his entire family on the pretence that the strikers were in receipt of strike pay. Of course, they weren't and so there were families who were having to make do on £6.50 a week - the total sum of family allowance in those days. In today's terms that's about £18. We are just going back to a situation where our government treats part of the people it is charged with looking after as enemies of the state. It's wrong and it's inhuman.
    Totally agreed. It just makes it harder for the poorest (who it is already the hardest for) to go on strike, which is just plain wrong.
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    I took leave that day, so I was paid not to work. Except I went into work anyway to watch PMQ's.
    Of course, you ought not to have been allowed to take leave unless the leave was scheduled prior to the strike vote. If not, you broke the law and undermined the action taken by your fellow workers. That is, assuming you are a member of a trade union. If not, then the above doesn't apply. I know those of us on strike took a pretty dim view of the boss in our place who took the day off as paid leave despite his union being out on strike that day.
    Last edited by obi_adorno_kenobi; 17-06-2012 at 18:04.
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    (Original post by Mazzini)
    Oh, oops

    Got confused about the system... Fail.
    Well, you shouldn't accept, blindly, everything you read in the Times.
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Well, you shouldn't accept, blindly, everything you read in the Times.
    I don't read the Times. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Mazzini)
    I don't read the Times. :rolleyes:
    Noooo. You're one of 3 people in the country to have a subscription to the Morning Star, right?
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
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    Noooo. You're one of 3 people in the country to have a subscription to the Morning Star, right?
    Yes, yes I am.

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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Hey what is wrong with reading the FT?
    Nowt, sorry it's an in-joke to myself. I was at the EuroParl recently and in walked this bunch of New Labour tossers from London. Each of them from KCL, each of them with a copy of the FT under their arm. One of them was in a three-piece and had that kind of banker's brolly over his right arm. Hilariously we all thought he was Tory. But no, just New Labour. Tory-dar (almost) failed the group of international socialists.
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Of course, you ought not to have been allowed to take leave unless the leave was scheduled prior to the strike vote. If not, you broke the law and undermined the action taken by your fellow workers. That is, assuming you are a member of a trade union. If not, then the above doesn't apply. I know those of us on strike took a pretty dim view of the boss in our place who took the day off as paid leave despite his union being out on strike that day.
    I'm not a member myself. Very few in the IT department are, but I'm not sure why. The catering department of the HoC is very unionised; loads of the bars and restaurants in Parliament closed that day and I remember hearing of a Conservative MP who was having a massive go at one of the caterers in the Member's dining room for planning to strike.
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    Re: The Commons Bar Mk VI
    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18476504

    Bloody government.
    (Original post by Mazzini)
    Why should you get paid to go on strike, though?
    I actually thought that the BBC article was quite disingenuous. The government is not cutting benefits to people who strike. They are ceasing to top up their wages should they strike. To me these are quite different things. I don't agree that the government should be doing this though.

    That said.
    (Original post by Birchington)
    To quote someone who commented on that article, it's a shame the government doesn't spend nearly as much time dealing with tax evasion.
    This.
    Last edited by Thunder and Jazz; 17-06-2012 at 18:49.
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