[ANIGAV]

How can it be haram that someone is a homo if he did not have a choice in the first place? Surely if you're a hetero then you wouldn't equally be able to control/change your feelings and be a homo?

What is the answer Islam provides for this particular question?

Regards.

[Brutal Honesty]

Buttsex is haram not being sexually attracted to other people. As far as I'm aware Islam recognises sexual attraction exists but should only be acted upon within the framework of marriage. Also lesbianism is not as bad as gay male relationships because of lack of buttsex. Saying that, in Afghanistan buttsex has been popular between men for thousands of years.

[marcusfox]

It's the whole 'man laying with a man' thing in the holy books that makes lesbianism OK, due to the aforementioned lack of 'man laying with a man'.

Taking this to its logical conclusion, masturbation is perfectly fine so long as you don't allow one drop of your 'seed' to spill on the ground...

[ANIGAV]

Nobody can answer here?

[GrowingNinja]

Islam does not condemn naturally being attracted to the same sex, however it does condemn the act of fulfilling those urges therefore it is not a sin to be simply be attracted to the same sex which as you say sometimes is not a choice.

[squishy123]

Sex outside of marriage, in Islam is haraam regardless if people are heterosexual or homosexual

Therefore, seeing as gay people cannot enter into the instituition of marraige within Islamic guidelines, any amount of sex they engage in is sinful and they will be accountable to GOD, and God only on the day of judgement.

However, if homosexual relationships fall into the public sphere then the state has the right to impose punishments but if you engage in gay sex or any type of sex in a PUBLIC place.

In regards to your question, ACTING on homosexual feelings is haraam and not just merely "possessing" homosexual urges. In fact we can say the same thing about heterosexual intercourse between unmarried couples, it is prohibited.

Further, I think this was in another thread but the main essence of this reply is that God has not given to people more than their soul can bear and Muslims should also believe that Du'a (personal prayer) has the power to change your Taqdeer, otherwise known as fate.

[Perseveranze]

Sodomy is the sin, not having sexual attractions to people (or things, one messed up world). Though you should try and occupy yourself with things that diverts having such thoughts in the first place.

Pedophiles, Incest, Necrophilia etc. No blame on the attraction, but if you went ahead and did those things then it would be a sin/forbidden.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Sodomy is the sin, not having sexual attractions to people (or things, one messed up world). Though you should try and occupy yourself with things that diverts having such thoughts in the first place.

Pedophiles, Incest, Necrophilia etc. No blame on the attraction, but if you went ahead and did those things then it would be a sin/forbidden.

why was the prophet muhammed, who muslims are meant to base their lives/values on, a paedophile that married a 9 year old? Also why is child marriage allowed/legal in many muslim countries?

why are so many muslims involved in cousin marriages then?

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
why was the prophet muhammed, who muslims are meant to base their lives/values on, a paedophile that married a 9 year old? Also why is child marriage allowed/legal in many muslim countries?

why are so many muslims involved in cousin marriages then?

Incest is with brothers,sister,mother,father. Not cousins and as I recall it's perfectly acceptable in British law.

[squishy123]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
why was the prophet muhammed, who muslims are meant to base their lives/values on, a paedophile that married a 9 year old? Also why is child marriage allowed/legal in many muslim countries?

Unless all Muslims get DIVINE inspiration to marry 9 year old women, your argument doesn't fly.

[Bohedie]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Sodomy is the sin, not having sexual attractions to people (or things, one messed up world). Though you should try and occupy yourself with things that diverts having such thoughts in the first place.

Pedophiles, Incest, Necrophilia etc. No blame on the attraction, but if you went ahead and did those things then it would be a sin/forbidden.

pedophilia, incest and necrophillia attractions are disturbing whether acted on or not :/ you cannot possibly place child abuse, disrespecting the dead and 'interbreeding' into the same sphere as homosexuality.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by Amiro123)
Slight generalisation and marrying your cousin isn't incest

ok, but it is considered to be by a huge amount of the uk population...oh well. I found this on sunni islam forum, for sunni muslims:

http://sunniforum.net/showthread.php?t=6680

In Britain, cousin marriage is common amongst many Muslim families, 55% of British Pakistanis & 75% in Bradford are married to their first cousins.

Saudi Arabian problems due to inbreeding: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/wo...nbreeding.html

Pakistan, more problems with inbreeding:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ht/4442010.stm

[weirdnessandcoffee]

It's not allowed. That's it. Simple.
Get over it. Religion isn't gonna change for you, what's the point in criticising it at the end of the day? A few arguments, a bunch of negs, 'thinking your doing something for humanity'.
Too many posts bashing Islam. Just give it a break. Mostly all religions discourage homosexuality. Why Islam in particuluar?

LOVE THE NEGS.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by squishy123)
Unless all Muslims get DIVINE inspiration to marry 9 year old women, your argument doesn't fly.

didnt mention all muslims, mentioned the fact that the prophet married a 9 year old (paedophilia), which perseverance said is unacceptable in Islam. How so, when the prophet, the patron saint of Islam did/was so himself?

[saim101]

Any1 who has EVER done biology will know that the main point of us is to produce of springs. Being gay does NOT allow you to produce of springs, therefore your genes will not get passed on. If your genes don't get passed on how can you say "I was born gay."
Being gay is a CHOICE, it's not forced upon you

[badcheesecrispy]

also, a muslim poster on that forum says that according to a Hadith, the prophet warned against marrying a close relative. If so, why are so many (a shocking 55%, more than half) of British Muslims married to cousins? maybe these people dont know the 'true' islam, or arnt really muslims....

"Waalikum us salam, I read this somewhere will like to share with you sis


according to hadith
Holy Prophet (saw) himself who said, “Don’t marry a near relative (such as a first cousin) as in that case a child is born weak (i.e. defective)”[ quoted by Imam Ghazali in ‘Ihya Ulum id Din’]

so its not something which is Farz [compulsary]

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
didnt mention all muslims, mentioned the fact that the prophet married a 9 year old (paedophilia), which perseverance said is unacceptable in Islam. How so, when the prophet, the patron saint of Islam did/was so himself?

Because it's paedophilia today, not back then when girls matured far quicker, due to growth of females back then as life expectancy was far lower so maturity was quicker and due to climate in the Middle east. Mainly physically, but also mentally as back then young people weren't brought up the same, they were taught to do things which we would expect adults to do. Your comparing by todays standards which is totally wrong and doesn't actually make any sense of what happened.

[badcheesecrispy]

another interesting post from a muslim:

I don’t want to be rude to anyone but please please stop this cousin marriage thing happing in this day and age in the world we live in today or at least UK EU US because look at it this way your cousins share the same grand parents meaning they share the same blood line as you it would be like marring your own brother and sister so the people who think that its right to marry there cousin should just marry there brother or sister why draw the line if you think that its right to marry your cousin?

The main reasons why this corrupt practice is still followed and is ever growing in the Muslim world because of family pressure because the family want to keep there Property, Land, Jewellery, Money and wealth in the family and a lack of education along with village culture and the greed of coming to UK EU USA because UK has a benefit system along with free health care known as the NHS (National Health Service) every one on benefits is treated free of charge, and because theses families are uneducated and stupid they are all on benefits just to rub more salt in the wound they are known to abuse the benefit system in many different ways. They try to send as much benefit money as possible back to there poor families often living in poor housing or no housing at all, In most cases- they also have lots of children If your thinking why do they have lots of children its because they are uneducated they don’t have a job so that’s the only why they keep there self’s busy and they live in a joint family system meaning they have an extra load on there backs in the event of old parents to look after

tbh i have to agree with this poster

[bad8oy]

(Original post by ANIGAV)
How can it be haram that someone is a homo if he did not have a choice in the first place? Surely if you're a hetero then you wouldn't equally be able to control/change your feelings and be a homo?

What is the answer Islam provides for this particular question?

Regards.

being gay is not genetic because identical twins who have the same genetic make up, one of them are gay and the other is not. Therefore being gay is not genetic therefore it is not natural.

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
why was the prophet muhammed, who muslims are meant to base their lives/values on, a paedophile that married a 9 year old? Also why is child marriage allowed/legal in many muslim countries?

why are so many muslims involved in cousin marriages then?

Firstly, Incest thing has been explained above.

Secondly, learn what Pedophilia is.

"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals." - http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_20...paedophile.htm

Then learn about the life of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). For example;

"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."

And we see;

Sahih Al-Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:
Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."

Sahih Muslim
Book 006, Number 2439:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to kiss (his wives) while fasting and embraced (them) while fasting; but he had the greatest mastery over his desire among you.

Further reading.

Thirdly, Regarding his marraige to Aisha(ra) - Read this.

Maturity, physicality and capabilities are the requirements for marraige in Islam, not any particular age.

Such marriages were not seen as improper in historical context, and that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West. - Colin Turner, Islam: The Basics, Routledge Press, pp. 34-35

Fourthly, most Muslim countries have marraige laws that are 15+, including Saudi Arabia going up to 18+.