[x.Hana.x]

You have literally taken all my examples and some of my words...i.e (hitler, ira, crusades,breivik).
Thts not a.bad thing....but you could be slightly less biased about the way you present your argument...whcich is almost identicle to mine......well some factors near the end...but anyway:-)

(Original post by badar12345)
Wow the disrespect shown by some posters on this thread is insane, you speak of freedom of choice and freedom of speech, yet everyone should choose what you want them to choose. It's not acceptable to poke fun at Christians or Muslims, how would you feel if a random person on the street started insulting your parents? I'm sure even if you wouldn't react it would bother you, and the thing is if a Christian is "poking fun" at his own religion it is to a certain degree acceptable but you'll never find that, they'll be agnostic or atheist yet been brought up as Christian so they use this as a barrier to continue "poking fun" at religion, but when you start to make a mockery of another religion then you are crossing dangerous waters fair enough you can mock stereotypes which can be funny but if you mock the very essence of the religion it's wrong.

Secondly to the poster who claims Islam is a ridiculous religion and deserves to be ridiculed, do some research mate Muslims were the forefront of intellectual development in the medieval era with Western non Muslim scholars going so far as to saying "If the Muslims were still in Spain, we would've landed on the moon a hundred years before we did." You should not disrespect something which is clearly greater than yourself. Muslims are not "adept" to dealing with criticism, that's not the problem, the problem is what gives you the right to criticize me? You talk about the west "allowing" Muslims to settle in their countries, but basic economics imply that the influx of foreign workers is only leading to higher long term growth, if anything it benefits the West and not only that, you guys are quick to forget how Muslims "allowed" Christians and Jews to reside by peacefully in Palestine during the crusades despite being persecuted and killed when the armies of the first crusade stormed Jerusalem. Or when the British entered India claiming it as a token of the commonwealth, you say do as the Romans do in Rome? But you find it's acceptable to enter other countries without question (see USA entering Iraq/Afghanistan) with no real justification and causing more damage than the twin towers or the 7/7 bombings. While I by no means justify these acts, what you must understand is that the acts carried out are political not religious, the media frenzy has made the masses believe that Muslims are some dangerous group of people who transform into beasts and go around bombing you, well if you want to get down to facts the majority of bomb blasts that have occured have happened in Muslim countries. The bad is pointed out more than the good, but have you taken a look in the mirror let's take a look at some of the biggest "criminals" on the face of the history of the planet.

-Adolf Hitler responsible for mass genocide with up to 9 million "undesirables" killed... a christian.
-The First Crusader army responsible for the death of innocent women and children both Muslims and Jews and responsible for cannibalising on Muslims when food supplies were low, their religion...Christianity.
- The occupation of Palestine and formation of Israel and the constant persecution of Muslims orchestrated by Christians and carried out by Jews.
- Not to mention both world wars were caused by essentially Christian leaders.
- The IRA
-Anders Breivik , responsible for killing children even said it was because of his belief in Christianity causing him to carry out the attacks.

Yet everyone fails to mention "Christian" extremism, Christians have a right to their own religion like every other religion but do not act so self righteous when what Muslims have done or are doing is nothing compared to you in modern and ancient history, and when you have no knowledge of something do not comment on it, quoting me misquoted references from the Quran is not valid justification, the majority of Muslims are good, just like every religion has their good and bad, do not be quick to judge others, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want someone to judge you. Keep talking disrespectfully to hide your own insecurities and the fact that a computer screen and keyboard protect you.

[Voleva]

Because christians have grown up and understand that religion cant exist without religion critics and mockery. Which moslems dont understand. Compare islam to the rebellious teenager, compare christianity to the older and wiser brother.

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by amber109)
i agree about the Ahmadi Muslims, they promote peace in such a beautiful way and are definately a true representation of Islam.

Not trying to be rude or anything, you can't say that 'Ahmadi Muslims' are a true representation of Islam, when a large proportion of Muslim's in the world are peaceful.............also Many scholars, Muslims, etc find 'Ahmadi Muslims' to be misguided due to obvious contradictions with the Qu'ran and the guy who claimed to be mahdi. Not trying to cause any problems, just saying because how you said your statement which is unfair.

[Llamageddon]

You ****ing serious?

[King-Panther]

(Original post by mariachi)
laughable

JFK's death was obvious suicide

this shows clearly how you were brainwashed by the Zionist-controlled media

just continue to believe the nonsense you are being spoon-fed by the Illuminati...

If thats what you believe, provide evidence for your claim.

illuminati

illuminati |iˌloōməˈnätē|
plural noun
people claiming to possess special enlightenment or knowledge of something : some mysterious standard known only to the illuminati of the organization.
• ( Illuminati) a sect of 16th-century Spanish heretics who claimed special religious enlightenment.
• ( Illuminati) a Bavarian secret society founded in 1776, organized like the Freemasons.

The English Oxford dictionary definition, no mention of a conspiracy, so they clearly exist, however, what they're up to is a conspiracy.

[King-Panther]

(Original post by mariachi)
no surprise there, mate

as I said, this hadith, narrating a bungled attempt by Muhammad to crack a rather lame joke, most surely is not something which would warrant being memorized

I'm sure they're plenty of hadiths that illustrate his sense of humor, but one can't trust an enemy of Islam to give a partial/objective view.

[x.Hana.x]

First , enuf with the spelling negs....this is how I write online , it may not be awsome spelling but I know its decipherable for someone my age at leest, but I dont know you might be thirry or something and an english teacher, so I apologise, and im doing this on a smartphone, so fiddling touch keyboard and all...yeah yeah I kno good grammer is IN and but watever, thts totally besides the point of the topic and says something about the strengh or lack of, your argument....

And btw, 'those who read the quran seeking for faults will always find it'...just as that is true for any book. Eg if you look at someone beautiful, stunning, but try to find faults in them, you will, not because there are there, but because thats how your mind is set, you can make any seemingly negative thing at first or second or even third sigjt, since you have to read very deeply and its hard to get complete accuracy in languages other than arabic if you dont want to, seem as a fault. But if you read it niether for good, nor bad, nd with accuracy, then only will you see the whole picture............likewise the bible, likewise the torah...i can find even more violent examples in them when I look for it, when in fact its not like that, just read out of context...
Anyway off topic there....

One thing to clarify, you said something to someone else on this thread about stoning? Well first of all, in all three religions, judaism, christianity, islam, stoning is the punishment for adultery. But in Islam, what you have overlooked, or havnt read properly in the quran, is that this punishment is only valid if adultery, so to speak, the actual act, is taken place in a public place, and to make sure, the minimum witnesses must be is at least FOUR. So its punishment for porn, really, and it was to stop. Immorality and all that spreading, and in recent islamic history there has hardly been any stoning tht fits this criteria...meaning that stoning somone for merely naming some teddy bear muhammad or stoning someone just because they heard or saw. Somone committing adultery, stoning for that is wrong, and not in islam, and islam is not to be blamed, its the corruption of leaders who hypocritically call themselves muslim and then are violent and oppressive to their people and let power go to their heads etc and to radicalised even more corrupt and falsehearted clerics, who quetely and sneakingly support abhorrent terrorism and crimes against humanity. As I said, plenty of examples of such leaders and terrorists and clerics in christianity too...just hardly highlighted....and niether religion and its truely peaceful and adhering followers should in my opinion be ever judged by a rational man or woman.So.

If thts what you mean when you say you are actively against, then yeah I agree with you....and ill garantee, the majority of the true muslim population will agree with that too...since such people have, directly and indirectly, cost far more blood of muslims and middle easterners than christians, I tell you.

And btw, the statistics were there to show how muslims are not the most biggest groop of terrorists...and anyway, Im sure most latinos, left wing, communists are christians...even if not the christian number would be still far higher than muslim ones, going past the while christian to muslim population ratio.

(Original post by Mirey)
My first word of advice to you is to get a better browser - one with built in spell check. That was a lot more difficult to read than it should have been.

I know that there are bad people who are Christians, I'm not claiming there isn't. (Though it's a bit dubious to call Hitler a Christian http://goo.gl/CfeCD - just read the first few paragraphs).

I'm saying that Chrisitians won't have such a big demonstration over something as small as a cartoon (apart from maybe few people - but tens, not thousands).

I don't quite get this list
FBI 2009 watchlist or terrorists;
5% communist extremists - political ideology
6% muslim extremists - religion
7% jewish extremists - religion
24% left wing extremisits - political ideology
42% latino - Race

uhh, what? not all of those are mutually exclusive?
Also, there isn't christians on that list? And looking just at numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if people who associated as Christians was up at 14%. Why? There are 2.2 billion "Christians" and only 1 billion "Muslims".

I don't think all Muslims are evil, and I don't fully understand it having not fully studied it. I was actually half joking when I wrote what I did, as it's essentially what two of my Muslim friends said about Islam.

I'm open minded as much as the next man, but until Islamic countries stop having public stoning sessions for relatively minor things (e.g. naming a teddy bear Muhammed), I'll be actively against it.

(I know the bible has some pretty severe punishments, but no country enforces them and I presume most of them would be illegal)

[S-man10]

(Original post by x.Hana.x)
x

I should point out to you, some of your posts have words which are 'txt spk' and that is against the site rules regardless whether you are on a phone, ipad, or a proper computer. You would do wisely to avoid them in the future

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasher]

Because this:



leads to this:



Followers of Islam appear to be irrational, malevolent creatures who attempt to kill anyone who makes a mockery of their faith. I mean, did those people not even realise the sheer irony of what they were trying to do to that man?

[x.Hana.x]

What like as in abbreviations lol??? Man, tht actually in the rules? Well, wow, haha, thats surprising but then obviously i'll have to follow that now :-P
Can I say lol or lmao then, lmao? :-)

(Original post by S-man10)
I should point out to you, some of your posts have words which are 'txt spk' and that is against the site rules regardless whether you are on a phone, ipad, or a proper computer. You would do wisely to avoid them in the future

[x.Hana.x]

How disgustingly narrowminded and uneducated a view. You blatantly assume that just because exxtremist muslims, who are in fact a minority, act like savages which has nothing to do with true peaceful islam wich is actially a majority of muslims which media and people dont highlight, you automatically assume that this is what islam is like and how all muslims really are and incite hatred.

By all means carry on. Seen too much here. I feel sorry for you to be honest.
So much narrowmindedness. Pleibianistic, medieval attitude. Ironic.

(Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher)
Because this:



leads to this:



Followers of Islam appear to be irrational, malevolent creatures who attempt to kill anyone who makes a mockery of their faith. I mean, did those people not even realise the sheer irony of what they were trying to do to that man?

[Mirey]

(Original post by x.Hana.x)
x

Me asking you to spell properly doesn't mean my "arguments" don't hold water. It means that trying to decipher what you've written is a real pain in the ass. Sure I can do it, but I don't see the need to.

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to raise. The question is "why is it acceptable to poke fun at christians but not muslims?"

Well, you might not like it, but PurpleMonkeyDishwasher is right. Why risk upsetting so many extremists for no real reason?

It's sad, but it's probably closer to the truth than anything else - people are too scared, either of losing their jobs or their lives.

It doesn't matter if most Muslims are like that, that's besides the point. The point is there is enough crazies that its pointless/scarey to do it.

(Original post by x.Hana.x)
How disgustingly narrowminded and uneducated a view. You blatantly assume that just because exxtremist muslims, who are in fact a minority, act like savages which has nothing to do with true peaceful islam wich is actially a majority of muslims which media and people dont highlight, you automatically assume that this is what islam is like and how all muslims really are and incite hatred.

By all means carry on. Seen too much here. I feel sorry for you to be honest.
So much narrowmindedness. Pleibianistic, medieval attitude. Ironic.

You're just acting like a spoilt child tbh. Don't you remember in school when you teacher always said "Read the questions!"

[M4LLY]

Political correctness gone mad

[Mirey]

(Original post by King-Panther)
911 and 7/7 are suspicious and very well could be inside jobs... even if they're not but more than likely were (esp 911), are you forgetting about the IRA bombing london, more than once. And the UK and US army are bombing the middle east, over a million people died in Iraq alone, that blood is on your hands. No, the taliban aren't but western governments are.

indeed, most terrorism on TV is muslim but its a shame they only make up 6% of the worlds terrorist attacks...

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t


http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not...s-are-muslims/

Who cares? I don't believe the IRA were motivated because someone drew a picture of Jesus as a zombie.

[Mirey]

(Original post by M4LLY)
Political correctness gone mad

hahah, this skit! explains the situation so well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo

[x.Hana.x]

So condemning racism is acting like a spoilt child, to you. I think ill have to say my point clearly again, since you, as a child may not nbe getting it
. Yes I know what the topic of the thread is, but you and me seemed to have entered into a side discussion that was still relevant; wheather all muslims are terrorists, wheather ALL muslims would act crazily and violently if someone were to poke fun at them. I was trying to tell you, over, that the majority would not act like that, and basing ones views on the extreme actions of a few is not exactly open minded or even democratic for that matter.


If we disagree on that, its fine, I think I have already said, somewhere deep in this long thread, live and let live.

Speaking of which, if you think its fine to poke fun at religions, why cannot I then state my views, as I just did, about a certain posters racism? When I am not making fun of something, but condemning a dangerous ideology. If free speech is what you also support. So. Just like you are free to say what you want. So am i. And I am not doing it to actually make fun of somebody, but condemn what most people agree is discrimination of certain humans that are as eqaul a part of society as any (i mean racism, or discrimination of religion if you want to call it).
So please, I cant tell you to not hold double standards, thats your choice. :-)
And I'm still in highschool and because I always read the question, i.e the full context of what someone is saying, I dont think the teachers ever said that to me besides primary school ;-) just so you know...but of course you dont need to take my word for it, right ? :-) hearsay is not like seeing, after all. x

(Original post by Mirey)
Me asking you to spell properly doesn't mean my "arguments" don't hold water. It means that trying to decipher what you've written is a real pain in the ass. Sure I can do it, but I don't see the need to.

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to raise. The question is "why is it acceptable to poke fun at christians but not muslims?"

Well, you might not like it, but PurpleMonkeyDishwasher is right. Why risk upsetting so many extremists for no real reason?

It's sad, but it's probably closer to the truth than anything else - people are too scared, either of losing their jobs or their lives.

It doesn't matter if most Muslims are like that, that's besides the point. The point is there is enough crazies that its pointless/scarey to do it.





You're just acting like a spoilt child tbh. Don't you remember in school when you teacher always said "Read the questions!"

[Mirey]

"And I'm still in highschool"
I thought you were in middle school.

I never said I thought all muslims were terrorists, you understood from what I wrote exactly what you wanted to. You were in an overly zealous mood and wanted to argue.

No reasonable person would claim that all muslims are terrorists, or even the vast majority of them.

"So condemning racism is acting like a spoilt child, to you."
That wasn't racist, it's what happened. i.e. someone drew a cartoon and someone attempted to murder him. That's not religious prejudice against the muslims, it's reality. It's what actually happened in real life.



Seriously, grow up and stop looking for fights where there isn't one. You're either being stereotypically Scottish, or trying to live up to your own racist view of how you think people view/treat muslims (please don't blow me up!)

Given your apparent lack of reading comprehension, I'll forgive you for missing the irony and getting mad at me - how's that for a loaded statement

P.s. thanks for spelling correctly!

(Original post by x.Hana.x)
So condemning racism is acting like a spoilt child, to you. I think ill have to say my point clearly again, since you, as a child may not nbe getting it
. Yes I know what the topic of the thread is, but you and me seemed to have entered into a side discussion that was still relevant; wheather all muslims are terrorists, wheather ALL muslims would act crazily and violently if someone were to poke fun at them. I was trying to tell you, over, that the majority would not act like that, and basing ones views on the extreme actions of a few is not exactly open minded or even democratic for that matter.


If we disagree on that, its fine, I think I have already said, somewhere deep in this long thread, live and let live.

Speaking of which, if you think its fine to poke fun at religions, why cannot I then state my views, as I just did, about a certain posters racism? When I am not making fun of something, but condemning a dangerous ideology. If free speech is what you also support. So. Just like you are free to say what you want. So am i. And I am not doing it to actually make fun of somebody, but condemn what most people agree is discrimination of certain humans that are as eqaul a part of society as any (i mean racism, or discrimination of religion if you want to call it).
So please, I cant tell you to not hold double standards, thats your choice. :-)
And I'm still in highschool and because I always read the question, i.e the full context of what someone is saying, I dont think the teachers ever said that to me besides primary school ;-) just so you know...but of course you dont need to take my word for it, right ? :-) hearsay is not like seeing, after all. x

[King-Panther]

(Original post by Mirey)
Who cares? I don't believe the IRA were motivated because someone drew a picture of Jesus as a zombie.

Even if 911 was done by muslims, those cartoons were not the motive (the cartoons being a recent phenomena, post 911 and 7/7).

[King-Panther]

(Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher)
Because this:



leads to this:



Followers of Islam appear to be irrational, malevolent creatures who attempt to kill anyone who makes a mockery of their faith. I mean, did those people not even realise the sheer irony of what they were trying to do to that man?

Well, those cartoons were the tip of the iceberg, that was a reaction to a much deeper problem. How about all these wars the west has started against muslims and the millions you have slaughtered, from the crusades, to bosnia, modern day iraq and afghanistan. The death toll in Iraq is over a million alone, then the west further humiliates the muslims by creating those cartoons.

[Banishingboredom]

(Original post by King-Panther)
Well, those cartoons were the tip of the iceberg, that was a reaction to a much deeper problem. How about all these wars the west has started against muslims and the millions you have slaughtered, from the crusades, to bosnia, modern day iraq and afghanistan. The death toll in Iraq is over a million alone, then the west further humiliates the muslims by creating those cartoons.

Your entire religion is based on aggressive expansion and suppression long before the crusades, History is not on your side.